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TOURING TIRE TEST CONTINENTAL PASELA

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  1. for several years I rode heavy load touring in Florida year round from
    15 to 40 miles/day commuting with a camping load at 40-50 pounds rear
    15-20 front.
    The wheel equipment evolved from generic freewheel to sunrim cr-18/dt
    14 spokes/shimano deore hubs/grade 25 bearings/wood or finish line
    grease AND preventive maintenance.
    Riding evolved from 3 broken spoke tuneup days/month, 2-3 lost travel
    day for unscheduled maintenance to near 100% reliability from a
    scheduled 3-4 hour weekly tuneup.
    BUT! Tires were problematic. New tires were, well, new carrying enough
    tread to go uncut over unending fields of broken glass heaved at 2AM
    from speeding cars and suvs by frustrated drunks, sidewalls had not
    yet collapsed from fatigue. As I observed in tech, the Conti TT's in
    use, an excellent café touring and around the block tire, would need
    relief and replacement at the Mississippi before going onward.
    The TT was it. The tire for the trip across Yemen. World class. Yeah
    but...
    Ongoing discussion of the TT in tech leveled off that yes the TT
    floated but the sidewall was weak and yes the sidewall probabbbbly
    gave the TT that excellent café touring handling that would save your
    butt from squashing as you rode from asphalt thru sand at 5PM at the
    edge of US22 but would collapse outside Eldorado as you passed the
    annual clan reunion. As always, with a tire or component not
    overdesigned for the task at hand, the necessity to go on is inverse
    to the tire's capacity to do so.
    As a response to the bulletproof touring tire vacuum, one small cycle
    shop offered the pasela T-messenger mailodor:
    http://www.panaracer.com/eng/products/index_ur.html and I bought 2-3.
    I rode into the Elysian fields on Pasela t-serves. Hellaluja! Not
    quickly as the T is somewhat wooden ( a TT comparison) in response.
    Not dumb unsafe wooden just feely wooden like the grip: good grip all
    day but not the nayborhood GT tire. I had sets of Belgian taxi cab
    radials in 165x15 felt the same. Solid, slid well, predictable but you
    felt kinda stupid driving them that way even down off clingman's dome.
    A reduction of 20% less "flatout" speed than the TT with the T-serve?
    The T looks like an auto tire, an expensive quality auto tire. The T-
    serve's surface has bumps on it! Bumps that do not wear out on the
    first or 100th ride. Now isn't that sumpthin? Try that with a TT,
    right? Where the side pins are entertaining but shortlived . Golly
    lookit that!
    I ran 3 and all 3 ran for 80% of the tread depth. A big improvement
    from the TT 's averaging sidewall failure about 50-60% treadwear.
    Conti suggests what 75lb? for normal riding. Buy a walmart auto floor
    pump and pump the TT to 90 or more when loading the rear rack and keep
    watch on it or the sidewall will pinch out at rim edge. A 75 lb
    pressure is café sport. Walmart's garage has an air compressor
    pumping to 100 pounds: ask, pump, feel for hardness and give!
    The TT does not puncture easy with a liner. The T messenger never
    punctures with a liner and specialized thorn proof tube
    http://specialized.com/bc/SBCEqSection.jsp?sid=EquipTubesRoad, or
    better yet without the liner! As the liner tends to damage the tube
    with its overlapping ends and [censored] you off no end trying to get liner
    in with the thorn proof. Doublestick tape.
    Never punctures. Never punctures. Never punctures. Never punctures.
    I digress: there's a four wide boulevard I crossed on one commute
    where most commuters would know me including the county traffic guy
    intent on killing me by changing the traffic light patterns.
    One day the CTLG had me going across the late for work crew's path.
    Cycling in "complete oblivion" onto their right of way, I heard the
    crew rev up 150' to the east, stood and pedaled for the berm. Peddle
    peddle peddle peddle. Ah [censored]. The berm was A BERM straight up
    sodwall 8" high and here I was ramming along with a cold diet pepsi
    in one hand and lunch bag in the other.
    NO BRAKES!: casually lifting the front (40lb rear) Wham. Into the berm
    with the rear. Onto the grass and relative safety.: wheee
    Up the road and the tire was scuffing. Rear axle came loose! Twice
    this happened. The T-serve absorbed road shock into the carcass
    forcing the axle from dropouts. Not road shock denting the rim. This
    is good, no?
    A good touring tire! A 21 century touring tire! A tire to tour with
    confidence and a heavy load.
    Out of curiosity I bought the then new Conti Contact
    http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/themes/tires/city/contact/contact_en.html
    FOR THE FRONT WHEEL. After years of HD touring, one load carrying tire
    type goes on the rear, a lighter lead tire with good turn in response
    for the front like on your standard farm tractor. Some experts suggest
    a 35 rim rear with a 32 front-we're talking 700c. straightaway speed
    haulers.
    But the last on hand Pasela T-serve's right sidewall gave out at
    http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=28.49209&lon=-80.77849&s=100&size=l&u=4&datum=nad27&layer=DRG
    and the Contact was mounted on the 32 rear. Front was carrying a Conti
    TT I was NOT I*&T#%$##^^^^$ going to mount the spare TT rearward.
    ENOUGH!
    The T-serves sidewall wore thru in a two inch strecth and the reason
    was not well defined. The sidwall's rubber fell from the webbing.
    Webbing like a net held the strong spec tube for 20-30 miles before
    mounting a new tire.
    Well, for all those tech posters both hi and low spittin on the TT and
    Conti I can only sing long and loud that the Contact does the job
    almost like the TT's vast capacity for goin down the road fast and
    with total comfort - without the TT's capacity for premature sidewall
    failure. The Contact is a touring tire not a café touring tire. You
    may be able to cross the country on one set of Contact.
    The Contact is slipperrrrier than the TT, maybe slipperrrier than the
    T-serve at the give way and slide point. The T-serve's woodeness tells
    you to ease up, stay upright where the Contact stays responsive but
    sllliiides just like you done hit a patch o grease in the two turn.
    That's from the extra rubber depth in a more dirt grip tread surface
    pattern
    The Conti all ride capably on hard dirt and packed gravel, the T-serve
    also but less grip at the sport speeds. I project the T-serve would
    outlast a Conti over long packed dirt road hauls possible to the point
    of excluding the Conti for that use say in Montana.
    Right. But! I stopped HD touring and came to rest several hundred
    miles not months after mounting the Contact so a stiff long term test
    didn't happen .
    Conti tells me there is a superduper Contact:
    http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/themes/tires/city/TopContact/topcontact_en.html.
    Advice: if ura goin, buy the better version.
    I bought more Pasela T-serves from a second MO: Universalcycles.com.
    The T-serves from Universal were taller than the first batch and not
    as surface shiny as the first. I haven't run them as the Contact wears
    well. The T- serves wear like duh duh iron or something, The T-serve
    should give complete satisfaction if you're into long wear as a good
    thing for long range touring. Myself, I'll sacrifice some wear for
    staying out the the other guys trunk for the short range haul and
    around the block but then there's the clan meeting so inspections are
    priorty.
    Both tires are built around Kevlar or aramid. If you're new here, only
    a Kevlar or aramid carcass will tour in 21. These materials do not
    distort, expand, come loose under load that is thje tire stays round,
    doesn't flatten out so much at the bottom like a natural fabric,
    polyester, rayon, nylon ect will cawsing you to pedal against the
    bulge, dragging it and wearing it along the road surface which is
    nowhere.
    This is good.

  2. [email hidden] writes:

    [big snip]

    Quoted message said:

    floated but the sidewall was weak and yes the sidewall probabbbbly
    gave the TT that excellent café touring handling that would save your
    butt from squashing as you rode from asphalt thru sand at 5PM at the


    ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

    Quoted message said:

    edge of US22 but would collapse outside Eldorado as you passed the
    annual clan reunion.


    [snip to end]

    The Finns have a different description of "squashed butt". This from
    the sidewall of Nokian "Freddies Revenz":

    Inflate to 2.0 - 4.5 bar (29-65 psi)
    Safety Warning: for race use on designated DH courses only
    Always wear protective gear. Please prevent ass munge and
    ^^^ ^^^^^
    do not run over other riders.

    Bill Westphal

  3. wall ifn ura goin run an FR ovah ur ass ura ahgonna pissemoff gud

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/TI407A10-Nokian+Freddies+Revenz+Lite.aspx
    today's tire

  4. Line 37: da bumps: the messenger's tread surface bumps last sooooo
    long over the road that the bumps function as tread wear indicators.
    The tendency of HD touring rear hubs to wander to the left tilts rim
    up on left, wearing the bumps.

    The bump's longevity is curious as the tread surface cannot be
    characterized as slippery changing direction at the tire's limit and
    your's, from the rubber's surface hardness.

    Panaracer touts the tire compound as silicate. Recent information
    suggests this means the factory throws sand into the rubber mixer
    while trying to pass this operation of as 21ST century alchemy from
    Panaracer's R & D: an idea borrowed from Conti?

    If you get the opportunity to ride both under relatively equal
    conditions of surface/load/geometry, a comparison of what slippery" is
    as applied to tire performance deserves attention as both are slippery
    but each is slippery in different ways.

    Conti should throw sand into the rubber mixer headed toward the TT's
    sidewall whiskers.

  5. recent post observes the addition of carbon black to 21st century spec
    cycle tire rubber
    following the shoveling of sand into the vat...
    sounds like goodyear or gore tex? throw some ketchup into it...
    the new upgraded cafe touring conti rubber HAS RUBBER ON THE
    SIDEWALLS!
    novel.
    rubber on the tire's sidewalls. why?
    rubber isn't structural like the carcassing fabric so why bother with
    sidewall rubber?
    i'm gonna get one of the upgraded upgraded trekking conti's if the top
    o'the line comes in my c and report.

    we mentioned both messenger and conti contact are slippery.
    to clarify: the messenger slips from the overall design package. the
    package has limits and tells you so-be prudent i yam not a gp tire
    stupid. there could be a chip, right? at the threshold of max grip/max
    speed/max load/ max stupidity the tire could whisper: BACKOFF [censored].
    forgive the language but you know tires right? solid tire the
    messenger. solid. across yemen fersure.

    the conti contact is plain slippery under max load like all the other
    slippery under max load from actual load of rider baggage plus the
    cornering or movement load. is this from excess carbon black? could be
    could be.

    or from the excellent grip the contact offers in sand and light
    gravel. i dunno. i don't test under load in light gravel or sand. i
    have enough trouble staying upright on smooth pavement with 60 pounds
    of gear.

    but in the 60 pounds plus transient conditions of light sand and some
    gravel, the contact given that threshold where the tire says you gonna
    screwup here dude, the contact slides briefly then holds its own while
    the rider fumbles a correction into the mechanism and regrips without
    trauma...

    and off course that is the same MO as the TT. where the TT is much
    faster at this, lightening quick, faster than I and the killer
    squirrel squadron, but alas cafe racer/tourer fragile under HD touring
    loads (at 32c)

  6. LOCAL WHINING,
    developed that the bike was unfairly overloaded, unfairly squashing
    the Conti Contact, into a slippery road contact condition, similar to
    all other unfairly overloaded tires.

    Both Panaracer T-Serve Messenger and Conti were loadead with the same
    stuff at about 40 pounds commuting and 60 pounds hauling beans from
    the superduper.
    The Conti slipped from random and non-deliberate forces eg. a
    combination of wind gusts, potholes, triax, and disappearing pavement
    producing a brief jiggle and twist giving a brief spasm of sliding
    over ice from the rear Conti Contact following with recovery of
    previous poise.

    The Messenger doesn't slip off like that, it acts dumb by scrapping
    along with less adhesion: Scrape scrape scrape v. slip slide slip.

    Well ok: The Conti was over loadead. Off to the café then for expresso
    to watch old women ride by on loaded Pasela TG, another excellent
    tire.

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