"Do not feed the dinosaur! Ride a bike!"

On Feb 15, 9:20 am, "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]>

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That's the new T-shirt of a series that could change the world. Well,
first you gotta know who the dinosaur is, but I can tell you he's BIG,
STUPID and REFUSES TO EVOLVE. He may look like this...

[delete]
How about some cartoon dinos?
http://www.roadkillbill.com/
http://www.roadkillbill.com/G-page.html and click on the 1st part.
Dinos begin on page 2. Set in Minneapolis.

http://www.roadkillbill.com/r80.html CM Kids

Mike A Schwab said:

On Feb 15, 9:20 am, "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]>
wrote:> That's the new T-shirt of a series that could change the world. Well,

Quoted message said:

first you gotta know who the dinosaur is, but I can tell you he's BIG,
STUPID and REFUSES TO EVOLVE. He may look like this...

[delete]
How about some cartoon dinos?http://www.roadkillbill.com/http://www.roadkillbill.com/G-page.htmland click on the 1st part.
Dinos begin on page 2. Set in Minneapolis.

http://www.roadkillbill.com/r80.htmlCM Kids

Very interesting. I took the freedom (what a sweet word) to reproduce
this...

Carfree Success Stories
The carfree movement faces huge challenges. Despite climbing gas
prices, daily confirmations of climate change, and the precarious
global petro-political situation, car use continues to reach record
high levels. The world's most profitable corporation is ExxonMobil,
which recently became the first company ever to generate US$1 billion
a day. It seems as if now that people have accepted the reality of
finite oil supplies, paradoxically they are going on a binge to use up
all they can while it's still available.
Car industries spend billions on advertising every year. In
addition to its impact on the mental environment, the clout of car-
related ad expenditures skews editorial content of the media in which
they appear. After all, most media outlets are for-profit businesses
which are reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them by casting a
critical eye on car culture. The glamourisation of automobiles in
popular entertainment continues unabated.
Leaders of industrialised nations are beholden to automobile
interests, whether as payback for campaign contributions or simply out
of the common perception that car manufacture and use are key indices
of economic health. Politicians fear any deviation from the status
quo.
But the good news is the facts are on our side and an ounce of
truth trumps a tonne of lies. Given the choice, most people opt for
carfree experiences: speedy tram trips, vacations in Venice, strolls
to local markets, and public gathering places free from motor
vehicles. The challenge then is to promote existing carfree otions and
to create new ones.
The success stories in this issue (not online) are not intended as
a comprehensive survey of tactics, but are presented to demonstrate
how a variety of strategies at various scales can effect positive
change. We hope they'll inspire you take action where you can.

***

The good news also is that traffic jams are reaching a boiling point,
and overheating is in the horizon...

Traffic congestion in the United States

On Fridays in California, Interstate 5 is often congested as Los
Angeles residents travel north for the weekendIn the United States,
construction of new highway capacity has not kept pace with increases
in population and car use and the resulting increase in demand for
highway travel. Between 1980 and 1999, the total length of highways as
measured by miles increased by only 1.5 percent, while the total
number of miles of vehicle travel increased by 76 percent.

The Texas Transportation Institute estimates that in 2000 the 75
largest metropolitan areas experienced 3.6 billion vehicle-hours of
delay, resulting in 5.7 billion US gallons (21.6 billion liters) in
wasted fuel and $67.5 billion in lost productivity, or about 0.7% of
the nation's GDP. It also estimates that the annual cost of congestion
for each driver is approximately $1,000 in very large cities and $200
in small cities. Traffic congestion is increasing in major cities, and
delays are becoming more frequent in smaller cities and rural areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_congestion

Mike A Schwab said:

On Feb 15, 9:20 am, "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]>
wrote:> That's the new T-shirt of a series that could change the world. Well,

Quoted message said:

first you gotta know who the dinosaur is, but I can tell you he's BIG,
STUPID and REFUSES TO EVOLVE. He may look like this...

[delete]
How about some cartoon dinos?http://www.roadkillbill.com/http://www.roadkillbill.com/G-page.htmland click on the 1st part.
Dinos begin on page 2. Set in Minneapolis.

http://www.roadkillbill.com/r80.htmlCM Kids

This is a variation of the bike shirt. After all, there are many ways
not to feed the dinosaur...

http://www.zazzle.com/product/235622859773439204

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But the good news is the facts are on our side and an ounce of
truth trumps a tonne of lies. Given the choice, most people opt for
carfree experiences: speedy tram trips, vacations in Venice, strolls
to local markets, and public gathering places free from motor
vehicles. The challenge then is to promote existing carfree otions and
to create new ones.

You really should wait to until you come down from you drug high before
posting insane gibberish

Jack May said:

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

But the good news is the facts are on our side and an ounce of
truth trumps a tonne of lies. Given the choice, most people opt for
carfree experiences: speedy tram trips, vacations in Venice, strolls
to local markets, and public gathering places free from motor
vehicles. The challenge then is to promote existing carfree otions and
to create new ones.

You really should wait to until you come down from you drug high before
posting insane gibberish

You forget two important words: GIVEN THE CHOICE. People often do none
of the above because they don't have a choice. Same thing for riding a
bike...

"The culture is so geared to motor vehicles, it's oppressive," says
Craig Barnes, events coordinator of Transportation Alternatives, the
nonprofit group that organizes Bike Week, with sponsorship from the
city's Department of Transportation. "It's a real catch-22. People say
they'd bike if they saw more infrastructure, like bike lanes, parking,
traffic law enforcement, but city planners and politicians say they
won't give more until they see a need for it. Who's going to make the
first move? We try to link these two things."

You know, cars get the lion's share...

"The skew to cars, despite their disadvantages, is so profound,
politicians and bureaucrats spend entire careers simultaneously trying
to accommodate and tame traffic."

http://www.transalt.org/press/media/2001/010509voice.html

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Jack May said:

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

But the good news is the facts are on our side and an ounce of
truth trumps a tonne of lies. Given the choice, most people opt for
carfree experiences: speedy tram trips, vacations in Venice, strolls
to local markets, and public gathering places free from motor
vehicles. The challenge then is to promote existing carfree otions and
to create new ones.

You really should wait to until you come down from you drug high before
posting insane gibberish

You forget two important words: GIVEN THE CHOICE. People often do none
of the above because they don't have a choice. Same thing for riding a
bike...

"The culture is so geared to motor vehicles, it's oppressive," says
Craig Barnes, events coordinator of Transportation Alternatives, the
nonprofit group that organizes Bike Week, with sponsorship from the
city's Department of Transportation. "It's a real catch-22. People say
they'd bike if they saw more infrastructure, like bike lanes, parking,
traffic law enforcement, but city planners and politicians say they
won't give more until they see a need for it. Who's going to make the
first move? We try to link these two things."

You know, cars get the lion's share...

"The skew to cars, despite their disadvantages, is so profound,
politicians and bureaucrats spend entire careers simultaneously trying
to accommodate and tame traffic."

http://www.transalt.org/press/media/2001/010509voice.html

And hence we have a health problem linked to heart disease because people
would rather look like blimps than fight the gov't.
Never mind how many bikers die on the road. What about the no. 1 killer
which would not have happened if we were not this car centric.

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nash said:

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jack May said:

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> But the good news is the facts are on our side and an ounce of
> truth trumps a tonne of lies. Given the choice, most people opt for
> carfree experiences: speedy tram trips, vacations in Venice, strolls
> to local markets, and public gathering places free from motor
> vehicles. The challenge then is to promote existing carfree otions and
> to create new ones.

You really should wait to until you come down from you drug high before
posting insane gibberish

You forget two important words: GIVEN THE CHOICE. People often do none
of the above because they don't have a choice. Same thing for riding a
bike...

"The culture is so geared to motor vehicles, it's oppressive," says
Craig Barnes, events coordinator of Transportation Alternatives, the
nonprofit group that organizes Bike Week, with sponsorship from the
city's Department of Transportation. "It's a real catch-22. People say
they'd bike if they saw more infrastructure, like bike lanes, parking,
traffic law enforcement, but city planners and politicians say they
won't give more until they see a need for it. Who's going to make the
first move? We try to link these two things."

You know, cars get the lion's share...

"The skew to cars, despite their disadvantages, is so profound,
politicians and bureaucrats spend entire careers simultaneously trying
to accommodate and tame traffic."

http://www.transalt.org/press/media/2001/010509voice.html

And hence we have a health problem linked to heart disease because people
would rather look like blimps than fight the gov't.
Never mind how many bikers die on the road. What about the no. 1 killer
which would not have happened if we were not this car centric.

Two wheels?

I got up and looked at my brand new Radio Shack indoor-outdoor thermometer this
morning, the bottom screen read 72.5 degrees, and the top one read 12.8
degrees.

Now, the damn driveway is a glare of ice, which is negotiated OK by my AWD
Subaru WRX. The roadways are _mostly_ clear of ice, but not parking lots - I
damn near sprained something in the movie parking lot last night after seeing
"Breach".

2 wheeled vehicle? Not on your life. I'd be having to buy a casket, mine. And
short of that, there's frostbite.

Face it, a car is an all-weather solution, or as close as you can get to one
for moving around locally. Even the damn DC Metro, the closes transit to which
I _still_ don't have access, stops when there's a lotta snow. They don't even
try - the snow shorts out the 3rd rail. So much for the exhaulted electric
trains. If they woulda just kept 'em in tunnels, I guess...

Dave Head

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nash said:

And hence we have a health problem linked to heart disease because people
would rather look like blimps than fight the gov't.
Never mind how many bikers die on the road. What about the no. 1 killer
which would not have happened if we were not this car centric.

You want to ride your bike in 20 degree temperatures and 20 mile an
hour winds with ice and salty slushy [censored] all over the roads, you be
my guest. I'll stick with the car; heart disease is the least of my
worries under those conditions.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

You want to ride your bike in 20 degree temperatures and 20 mile an
hour winds with ice and salty slushy [censored] all over the roads, you be
my guest. I'll stick with the car; heart disease is the least of my
worries under those conditions.
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I do not think we get heart disease from driving or taking transit in foul
weather. I am talking about over the years 99% of the time drivers could
have walked to the corner grocery and not taken a humvee.
Gov'ts do not want you healthy anyway. It is too lucrative for all the
scientists and car manufacturers, nurses, doctors, and police.

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"Dave Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now, the damn driveway is a glare of ice, which is negotiated OK by my AWD
Subaru WRX. The roadways are _mostly_ clear of ice, but not parking

lots - I

Quoted message said:

damn near sprained something in the movie parking lot last night after

seeing

Quoted message said:

"Breach".

-----------
Ice Walker Cleats by Covell Covell Ice Walker cleats are easy on; economical
protection for slippery conditions. These rust resistant steel cleats dig
into the ice for a firm foothold.
http://www.vtarmynavy.com/ice-cleat.htm

Snow and Ice Traction Cleats
http://cozywinters.com/ice-cleats/ice-cleats.html

also:
http://www.shoechain.com/
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/traccleatans.html

Scandinavian bicycle tire manufacturer Nokian makes carbide-studded "ice"
tires for winter riding.
http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/000239.php

also:
http://bluecollarmtb.com/2007/01/18/zip-ties-for-better-traction/
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp

nash said:

You want to ride your bike in 20 degree temperatures and 20 mile an
hour winds with ice and salty slushy [censored] all over the roads, you be
my guest. I'll stick with the car; heart disease is the least of my
worries under those conditions.
-- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

I do not think we get heart disease from driving or taking transit in foul
weather. I am talking about over the years 99% of the time drivers could
have walked to the corner grocery and not taken a humvee.
Gov'ts do not want you healthy anyway. It is too lucrative for all the
scientists and car manufacturers, nurses, doctors, and police.

There's actually a grain of truth in that. They also don't want too many
of us baby boomers living long enough to collect our Social Security
checks. Publicly, they will make noise about smoking, laziness, and
heart attacks, cancer, and stuff, but I think in secret they just want
you to drop dead at 62. Funny how people are supposed to retire at 62-67
but politicians stay on until....well, forever if they can. I can see it
now, Teddy Kennedy being removed from his seat, stiff as a board. His
death only noticed because he hadn't said anything for a week.
Could happen???
Bill Baka

Dave Head said:

nash said:

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 9:23 pm, "Jack May" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email hidden]...
>
> > But the good news is the facts are on our side and an ounce of
> > truth trumps a tonne of lies. Given the choice, most people opt for
> > carfree experiences: speedy tram trips, vacations in Venice, strolls
> > to local markets, and public gathering places free from motor
> > vehicles. The challenge then is to promote existing carfree otions and
> > to create new ones.
>
> You really should wait to until you come down from you drug high before
> posting insane gibberish

You forget two important words: GIVEN THE CHOICE. People often do none
of the above because they don't have a choice. Same thing for riding a
bike...

"The culture is so geared to motor vehicles, it's oppressive," says
Craig Barnes, events coordinator of Transportation Alternatives, the
nonprofit group that organizes Bike Week, with sponsorship from the
city's Department of Transportation. "It's a real catch-22. People say
they'd bike if they saw more infrastructure, like bike lanes, parking,
traffic law enforcement, but city planners and politicians say they
won't give more until they see a need for it. Who's going to make the
first move? We try to link these two things."

You know, cars get the lion's share...

"The skew to cars, despite their disadvantages, is so profound,
politicians and bureaucrats spend entire careers simultaneously trying
to accommodate and tame traffic."

http://www.transalt.org/press/media/2001/010509voice.html

And hence we have a health problem linked to heart disease because people
would rather look like blimps than fight the gov't.
Never mind how many bikers die on the road. What about the no. 1 killer
which would not have happened if we were not this car centric.

Two wheels?

I got up and looked at my brand new Radio Shack indoor-outdoor thermometer this
morning, the bottom screen read 72.5 degrees, and the top one read 12.8
degrees.

Now, the damn driveway is a glare of ice, which is negotiated OK by my AWD
Subaru WRX. The roadways are _mostly_ clear of ice, but not parking lots - I
damn near sprained something in the movie parking lot last night after seeing
"Breach".

2 wheeled vehicle? Not on your life. I'd be having to buy a casket, mine. And
short of that, there's frostbite.

Face it, a car is an all-weather solution, or as close as you can get to one
for moving around locally. Even the damn DC Metro, the closes transit to which
I _still_ don't have access, stops when there's a lotta snow. They don't even
try - the snow shorts out the 3rd rail. So much for the exhaulted electric
trains. If they woulda just kept 'em in tunnels, I guess...

I hope they still aren't using snow as an excuse for extended outages.
If they are suggest to them that they contact other transit
authorities in the northern United States, the TTC in Canada, Hamburg,
Stockholm, Oslo, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and Munich.

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Dave Head

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"Dave Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Now, the damn driveway is a glare of ice, which is negotiated OK by my
AWD
Subaru WRX. The roadways are _mostly_ clear of ice, but not parking

lots - I

Quoted message said:

damn near sprained something in the movie parking lot last night after

seeing

Quoted message said:

"Breach".

-----------
Ice Walker Cleats by Covell Covell Ice Walker cleats are easy on;
economical
protection for slippery conditions. These rust resistant steel cleats dig
into the ice for a firm foothold.
http://www.vtarmynavy.com/ice-cleat.htm

Snow and Ice Traction Cleats
http://cozywinters.com/ice-cleats/ice-cleats.html

also:
http://www.shoechain.com/
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/traccleatans.html

Scandinavian bicycle tire manufacturer Nokian makes carbide-studded "ice"
tires for winter riding.
http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/000239.php

also:
http://bluecollarmtb.com/2007/01/18/zip-ties-for-better-traction/
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp

Does anyone know how many of these are sold in the U.S.?

"nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You want to ride your bike in 20 degree temperatures and 20 mile an
hour winds with ice and salty slushy [censored] all over the roads, you be
my guest. I'll stick with the car; heart disease is the least of my
worries under those conditions.
-- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

I do not think we get heart disease from driving or taking transit in foul
weather. I am talking about over the years 99% of the time drivers could
have walked to the corner grocery and not taken a humvee.

Sure, the corner grocery is more than two miles away and I've got three or
four bags of groceries to carry back. Got a good way to do that?

Sancho Panza said:

"nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sure, the corner grocery is more than two miles away and I've got three or
four bags of groceries to carry back. Got a good way to do that?

You're not crippled, are you? You could walk and carry the bags. It
would be good exercise. I would drive too, but you asked for a good way
to do it.

"Sancho Panza" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You want to ride your bike in 20 degree temperatures and 20 mile an
hour winds with ice and salty slushy [censored] all over the roads, you be
my guest. I'll stick with the car; heart disease is the least of my
worries under those conditions.
-- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

I do not think we get heart disease from driving or taking transit in
foul
weather. I am talking about over the years 99% of the time drivers could
have walked to the corner grocery and not taken a humvee.

Sure, the corner grocery is more than two miles away and I've got three or
four bags of groceries to carry back. Got a good way to do that?

If you wanted to you would find a way.
Wait till you get a heart attack. Why should anybody care if you do.

I take more than one bicycle trip for my groceries and I have one produce
store 3 miles away. Does not stop me.

[Leaving group distribution alone since I don't know what group you're
posting from]

nash said:

I take more than one bicycle trip for my groceries and I have one produce
store 3 miles away. Does not stop me.

I do get most of my groceries on bike when it's warmer, but there are
certain things I have to use the car for (like when I purchase several
watermelons) 🙂

Sancho Panza said:

"nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

You want to ride your bike in 20 degree temperatures and 20 mile an
hour winds with ice and salty slushy [censored] all over the roads, you be
my guest. I'll stick with the car; heart disease is the least of my
worries under those conditions.
-- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

Quoted message said:

I do not think we get heart disease from driving or taking transit in foul
weather. I am talking about over the years 99% of the time drivers could
have walked to the corner grocery and not taken a humvee.

Sure, the corner grocery is more than two miles away and I've got three or
four bags of groceries to carry back. Got a good way to do that?

Hey Sancho, you disappoint me with that logic. No wonder you got a big
belly.

You may split the load into two trips. Or you may simply ride a
tricycle with a basket in the back, old-guy style. If you rode an ass
with DonQuixote, a three-wheeled bike wouldn't fit you that bad.

Arif Khokar said:

[Leaving group distribution alone since I don't know what group you're
posting from]

nash said:

I take more than one bicycle trip for my groceries and I have one produce
store 3 miles away. Does not stop me.

I do get most of my groceries on bike when it's warmer, but there are
certain things I have to use the car for (like when I purchase several
watermelons) 🙂

Nobody is proposing here a no-car option. We are proposing OPTIONS,
like people choosing whether they need a car in freezing weather or
simply riding a bike in beautiful sunny weather.

Does the word "options" scare anyone?