Blocked off routes

naked_draughtsman said:

The thread about CTC's website for reporting obstructions on trails
reminded me there's a route near me which is shown on the OS explorer
maps as being an off road track for cyclists and it's a nice ride
being along an old railway formation. However half way along it has
been blocked (deliberately) with branches and barbed wire although if
you were careful you could still get around. Interestingly though,
the OS landranger (pink) maps show it as national cycle route 6 and as
a dead end (it's not actually signed as such) and the local council do
not have it listed as a right of way.
I rode along there today and it has had a piece of high green railing
put across so nobody can get through at all.

I've reported it to the council, but as it's been blocked for some
year and it's not a right of way I don't think there's much they can
do about it. Should I report it to Sustrans as it would be an
excellent cycle route if you could get all the way along, but they
might not be interested as I don't think the accessible bit really is
one of their routes?

Whereabouts is this? I use Route 6, but SE of Northampton. Is it on the
part up to Market Harborough?

--
Peter.
If you can do it today, you didn't put off enough yesterday.

PeterC said:

Whereabouts is this? I use Route 6, but SE of Northampton. Is it on the
part up to Market Harborough?

It's on the outskirts of Loughborough, bit further up from yourself!
(http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
lat=52.7636&lon=-1.259&scale=25000&icon=x)

The 'main' route 6 goes a different way and the blocked off bit is a
'spur' from the main route. I'm thinking that maybe they had planned
to go this way originially but ran into difficulties acquiring the
land (the track eventually emerges on an access road to a farm where
the farmer shoots at you although I've never experienced this!).

I've had a reply from the county council rights of way people and they
say they can't help as it's not on their system but have suggested the
borough council next.

peter

naked_draughtsman said:

PeterC said:

Whereabouts is this? I use Route 6, but SE of Northampton. Is it on the
part up to Market Harborough?

It's on the outskirts of Loughborough, bit further up from yourself!
(http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
lat=52.7636&lon=-1.259&scale=25000&icon=x)

The 'main' route 6 goes a different way and the blocked off bit is a
'spur' from the main route. I'm thinking that maybe they had planned
to go this way originially but ran into difficulties acquiring the
land (the track eventually emerges on an access road to a farm where
the farmer shoots at you although I've never experienced this!).

I've had a reply from the county council rights of way people and they
say they can't help as it's not on their system but have suggested the
borough council next.

If it ain't a ROW there's not a lot they can do. I note that the
1:25k map suggests the route goes further than the 1:50k

http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&gazString=SK500186

Either way is it such a fantastic route given that you end up on an A
road within spitting distance of a motorway junction and there seems
to be a presumably quiet local road parallel?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said the following on 01/02/2007 23:32:

Quoted message said:

If it ain't a ROW there's not a lot they can do. I note that the
1:25k map suggests the route goes further than the 1:50k

If it ain't a ROW, it seems a bit daft that Sustrans built a route up to
it that stops dead.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Phil Cook said:

naked_draughtsman said:

PeterC said:

Whereabouts is this? I use Route 6, but SE of Northampton. Is it on the
part up to Market Harborough?

Quoted message said:

It's on the outskirts of Loughborough, bit further up from yourself!
(http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
lat=52.7636&lon=-1.259&scale=25000&icon=x)

Quoted message said:

The 'main' route 6 goes a different way and the blocked off bit is a
'spur' from the main route. I'm thinking that maybe they had planned
to go this way originially but ran into difficulties acquiring the
land (the track eventually emerges on an access road to a farm where
the farmer shoots at you although I've never experienced this!).

Quoted message said:

I've had a reply from the county council rights of way people and they
say they can't help as it's not on their system but have suggested the
borough council next.

If it ain't a ROW there's not a lot they can do. I note that the
1:25k map suggests the route goes further than the 1:50k

http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&...

Hence the confusion

Quoted message said:

Either way is it such a fantastic route given that you end up on an A
road within spitting distance of a motorway junction and there seems
to be a presumably quiet local road parallel?

That part of the A road isn't too bad as it's nice and wide with
traffic lights to get onto it and there's a shared use path running
along it as well. Other side of the M1 is a bit more hairy and other
parts of the line are fenced off saying private property which is a
shame because it would be more beneficial to have an alternative route
here.

The local road is ok for riding along but that too brings you out on
the main A road (you have to come out on this road anyway because the
cycle route stops short).

peter

naked_draughtsman said:

The thread about CTC's website for reporting obstructions on trails
reminded me there's a route near me which is shown on the OS explorer
maps as being an off road track for cyclists and it's a nice ride
being along an old railway formation. However half way along it has
been blocked (deliberately) with branches and barbed wire although if
you were careful you could still get around. Interestingly though,
the OS landranger (pink) maps show it as national cycle route 6 and as
a dead end (it's not actually signed as such) and the local council do
not have it listed as a right of way.
I rode along there today and it has had a piece of high green railing
put across so nobody can get through at all.

I've reported it to the council, but as it's been blocked for some
year and it's not a right of way I don't think there's much they can
do about it. Should I report it to Sustrans as it would be an
excellent cycle route if you could get all the way along, but they
might not be interested as I don't think the accessible bit really is
one of their routes?

peter

You couldn't give us an OS ref by any chance?

Simon

--
"Just because the world's getting hotter, you can't pin that on global
Warming!

naked_draughtsman said:

Phil Cook said:

naked_draughtsman said:

On Feb 1, 7:17 pm, PeterC <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Whereabouts is this? I use Route 6, but SE of Northampton. Is it on the
> part up to Market Harborough?
It's on the outskirts of Loughborough, bit further up from yourself!
(http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
lat=52.7636&lon=-1.259&scale=25000&icon=x)
The 'main' route 6 goes a different way and the blocked off bit is a
'spur' from the main route. I'm thinking that maybe they had planned
to go this way originially but ran into difficulties acquiring the
land (the track eventually emerges on an access road to a farm where
the farmer shoots at you although I've never experienced this!).
I've had a reply from the county council rights of way people and they
say they can't help as it's not on their system but have suggested the
borough council next.

I think you're right. I think the plan was to go this way from Shepshed
to Loughborough but the negotiations with the landowner (presumably the
same one who likes to shoot at people) failed and the alternative route
was used instead (which is very pleasant actually) It can take a while
for OS to catch up with these things.

Simon

--
"Just because the world's getting hotter, you can't pin that on global
Warming!

Paul Boyd usenet.dont.work@plusnet said:

If it ain't a ROW, it seems a bit daft that Sustrans built a route up to
it that stops dead.

Wouldn't be the first time. Money > Sense in some parts. They start one
end before having solid permissions for the whole route or an alternative.

I like the NCN, but how much more network could we have by now if all the
little dead-ends hadn't been built?

Could that effort have been used for key links like Tutshill Sluice?
(NCN 33 between Wick St Lawrence and Kingston Seymour, Somerset)

--
MJR/slef
http://mjr.towers.org.uk/

MJ Ray said:

Paul Boyd usenet.dont.work@plusnet said:

If it ain't a ROW, it seems a bit daft that Sustrans built a route up to
it that stops dead.

Wouldn't be the first time. Money > Sense in some parts. They start one
end before having solid permissions for the whole route or an alternative.

well they need the land, in many places, if the land is resdentianl they
can normaly get it as the land then becomes blighted so the only persons
to want it is sustrans.

though as happned localy with a farmer, they have no power to compuslury
purchest. and they their damest to alienate the locals so i suspect that
even if he wasn't useing the land he wouldn't sell them it at any price.

sustrans are very urban, orgnisation while this charge can be leveled
any many, ie see the counrty as large park in many ways.

they would find life a lot lot easyer if they attaully listened, rather
than poltical playing.

Quoted message said:

I like the NCN, but how much more network could we have by now if all the
little dead-ends hadn't been built?

Could that effort have been used for key links like Tutshill Sluice?
(NCN 33 between Wick St Lawrence and Kingston Seymour, Somerset)

as a lesire route if people who own the land don't want to allow or sell
there is nothing that can be done.

roger