Biria Bikes?

Bill Sornson said:

A dear friend of mine (older lady, sedentary but in good health and shape)
just bought a Biria bike from an unknown-to-me shop in our beach area. A
quick net search indicates she got an EZ Boarding Top 3 (Nexus 3-speed):
http://www.biria.com:80/bicycles/ez/eb_top_3.jsp.

I stopped by to see it and it's very cool, but the front fender (a bit
off-center) has a small dent and the white paint has an unsightly blem on
the down tube. (Looks like grease but doesn't come off.) Also, the springs
on the front brake looked rusty to me -- not terribly so, but not brand new
either. (The handlebar has a small scuff that looks like a bell or
something was installed on it.) The bike was represented as new to her.

She's having buyer's remorse somewhat, so I told her I'd research a little.
She paid $270.00 out the door for it, but the guy didn't give her an owner's
manual or paperwork until she went back and then it was just a tag and the
Shimano Nexus Hub technical instructions. I doubt they were for that
particular bike. No registration material, either.

Still, the bike seems solid and well made. The prices I "quick saw" on the
net were a good deal higher ($350 +), so maybe she did OK?

I seriously doubt she'll ride the bike much, but the design is ideal ("easy
boarding" is quite apt) AND it fits in the back of her car without removing
anything. Other than a folder, I can't imagine anything better suited to
her needs.

What do you folks think? I wrote her a "preliminary" reassuring e-mail just
now, but also said I'd ask around for more opinions.

Thanks for any input,

Bill "well, the hub is pretty cool" S.

My answer would be that if she can ride it at all then she should. Any
kind of ride is better than a couch and a soap opera. You didn't say how
old she was, so I will assume that means older than you, which probably
means younger than me. If she paid $270 for it and it gives her an extra
year or two of healthy life then it is a no brainer that it was worth it.
Bill Baka

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

A dear friend of mine (older lady, sedentary but in good health and shape)
just bought a Biria bike from an unknown-to-me shop in our beach area. A
quick net search indicates she got an EZ Boarding Top 3 (Nexus 3-speed):
http://www.biria.com:80/bicycles/ez/eb_top_3.jsp.

I stopped by to see it and it's very cool, but the front fender (a bit
off-center) has a small dent and the white paint has an unsightly blem on
the down tube. (Looks like grease but doesn't come off.) Also, the springs
on the front brake looked rusty to me -- not terribly so, but not brand new
either. (The handlebar has a small scuff that looks like a bell or
something was installed on it.) The bike was represented as new to her.

She's having buyer's remorse somewhat, so I told her I'd research a little.
She paid $270.00 out the door for it, but the guy didn't give her an owner's
manual or paperwork until she went back and then it was just a tag and the
Shimano Nexus Hub technical instructions. I doubt they were for that
particular bike. No registration material, either.

The manual and paperwork are probably routinely witheld from the
customer, not out of malice, but because most don't even want to know
the gory details.

Quoted message said:

Still, the bike seems solid and well made. The prices I "quick saw" on the
net were a good deal higher ($350 +), so maybe she did OK?

Less than $300 for a bike with a Nexus-3 hub sounds quite reasonable.
It's a specialty bike, so there's not a lot to compare it to, but if the
aluminum frame is built well enough, that sounds pretty good.

Quoted message said:

I seriously doubt she'll ride the bike much, but the design is ideal ("easy
boarding" is quite apt) AND it fits in the back of her car without removing
anything. Other than a folder, I can't imagine anything better suited to
her needs.

The only thing I'd be worried about is whether someone who would want a
low-stepover bike would be strong enough to lift a 31-pound bicycle into
a car. For that matter, what does she drive, a PT Cruiser? I'm seriously
interested.

Quoted message said:

What do you folks think? I wrote her a "preliminary" reassuring e-mail just
now, but also said I'd ask around for more opinions.

Seems to be that if the blems were the reason for the low price, she has
no complaint. Otherwise, I might mention it to the shop.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.biria.com:80/bicycles/ez/eb_top_3.jsp.

I stopped by to see it and it's very cool, but the front fender (a bit
off-center) has a small dent and the white paint has an unsightly blem on
the down tube. (Looks like grease but doesn't come off.) Also, the springs
on the front brake looked rusty to me -- not terribly so, but not brand new
either. (The handlebar has a small scuff that looks like a bell or
something was installed on it.) The bike was represented as new to
her.

Well, the bell could have come with the bike from the factory, but was
removed (why? -- but it doesn't matter, a bell is cheap). The rust was
probably since the bike had been sitting in the shop for a long time,
which would explain the price, especially with the blemishes.

Quoted message said:

The manual and paperwork are probably routinely witheld from the
customer, not out of malice, but because most don't even want to know
the gory details.

This seems odd to me. Usually, the shops give too much, rather than too
little or none at all, as a CYA. At least she should be taught how to use
any features (quick releases, shifting, etc.), and should have manuals that
explain these things.

Quoted message said:

Less than $300 for a bike with a Nexus-3 hub sounds quite reasonable.
It's a specialty bike, so there's not a lot to compare it to, but if the
aluminum frame is built well enough, that sounds pretty good.

I'd agree. Looks pretty cool. Not for a "serious" rider, but for someone
just out to ride to a friend's house or do some light shopping, it looks
great, and the price can't be beat.

Quoted message said:

Seems to be that if the blems were the reason for the low price, she has
no complaint. Otherwise, I might mention it to the shop.

Agree. If the shop was routinely selling these bikes at that price, then
this one should be swapped for one without blemishes. But if it was
marked down because of them, your friend probably got a good deal.

--

David L. Johnson

It is probable that television drama of high caliber and produced by
first-rate artists will materially raise the level of dramatic taste
in the nation. -- David Sarnoff, 1939

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

A dear friend of mine (older lady, sedentary but in good health and
shape) just bought a Biria bike from an unknown-to-me shop in our
beach area. A quick net search indicates she got an EZ Boarding Top
3 (Nexus 3-speed): http://www.biria.com:80/bicycles/ez/eb_top_3.jsp.

I stopped by to see it and it's very cool, but the front fender (a
bit off-center) has a small dent and the white paint has an
unsightly blem on the down tube. (Looks like grease but doesn't
come off.) Also, the springs on the front brake looked rusty to me
-- not terribly so, but not brand new either. (The handlebar has a
small scuff that looks like a bell or something was installed on
it.) The bike was represented as new to her.

She's having buyer's remorse somewhat, so I told her I'd research a
little. She paid $270.00 out the door for it, but the guy didn't
give her an owner's manual or paperwork until she went back and then
it was just a tag and the Shimano Nexus Hub technical instructions.
I doubt they were for that particular bike. No registration
material, either.

The manual and paperwork are probably routinely witheld from the
customer, not out of malice, but because most don't even want to know
the gory details.

I'm used to seeing bikes with those plastic bags full of material
rubber-banded to the handlebar.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Still, the bike seems solid and well made. The prices I "quick saw"
on the net were a good deal higher ($350 +), so maybe she did OK?

Quoted message said:

Less than $300 for a bike with a Nexus-3 hub sounds quite reasonable.
It's a specialty bike, so there's not a lot to compare it to, but if
the aluminum frame is built well enough, that sounds pretty good.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I seriously doubt she'll ride the bike much, but the design is ideal
("easy boarding" is quite apt) AND it fits in the back of her car
without removing anything. Other than a folder, I can't imagine
anything better suited to her needs.

Quoted message said:

The only thing I'd be worried about is whether someone who would want
a low-stepover bike would be strong enough to lift a 31-pound bicycle
into a car. For that matter, what does she drive, a PT Cruiser? I'm
seriously interested.

She just bought a Prius, so the back is pretty big and open. She seems
pretty confident that she can get it in there OK, despite a bad shoulder
(more sugery than *I've* had on my wing).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What do you folks think? I wrote her a "preliminary" reassuring
e-mail just now, but also said I'd ask around for more opinions.

Quoted message said:

Seems to be that if the blems were the reason for the low price, she
has no complaint. Otherwise, I might mention it to the shop.

That's pretty much what I thought, too. The dent in the fender /could/ be
her doing, I suppose (or at least the shop guy can claim so); the rest is
not as clear-cut (or maybe clear coat? 🙂 ...

Sure sounds like the guy sold it "as new" but really should have said "as
is".

I'll suggest she consider saying something just to get it off her mind;
otherwise, forget it and enjoy the bike.

Thanks for the reply.

B

David L. Johnson said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.biria.com:80/bicycles/ez/eb_top_3.jsp.

I stopped by to see it and it's very cool, but the front fender (a
bit off-center) has a small dent and the white paint has an
unsightly blem on the down tube. (Looks like grease but doesn't
come off.) Also, the springs on the front brake looked rusty to me
-- not terribly so, but not brand new either. (The handlebar has a
small scuff that looks like a bell or something was installed on
it.) The bike was represented as new to
her.

Well, the bell could have come with the bike from the factory, but was
removed (why? -- but it doesn't matter, a bell is cheap). The rust
was probably since the bike had been sitting in the shop for a long
time, which would explain the price, especially with the blemishes.

Beach area, especially. (The paint blem is strange -- more like a "stain"
/in/ the finish than a flaw on it.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The manual and paperwork are probably routinely witheld from the
customer, not out of malice, but because most don't even want to know
the gory details.

Quoted message said:

This seems odd to me. Usually, the shops give too much, rather than
too little or none at all, as a CYA. At least she should be taught
how to use any features (quick releases, shifting, etc.), and should
have manuals that explain these things.

Agree.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Less than $300 for a bike with a Nexus-3 hub sounds quite reasonable.
It's a specialty bike, so there's not a lot to compare it to, but if
the aluminum frame is built well enough, that sounds pretty good.

Quoted message said:

I'd agree. Looks pretty cool. Not for a "serious" rider, but for
someone just out to ride to a friend's house or do some light
shopping, it looks great, and the price can't be beat.

The most she's planning is to drive to a place like Coronado and ride around
a bit. Otherwise, around her Cul-de-sac is likely it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Seems to be that if the blems were the reason for the low price, she
has no complaint. Otherwise, I might mention it to the shop.

Quoted message said:

Agree. If the shop was routinely selling these bikes at that price,
then this one should be swapped for one without blemishes. But if it
was marked down because of them, your friend probably got a good deal.

Maybe he sort of "implied" it and she just missed it? Anyway, I agree she
did pretty well. Thanks to you and RC for the feedback.

B

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:02:32 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The manual and paperwork are probably routinely witheld from the
customer, not out of malice, but because most don't even want to know
the gory details.

If shops are withholding the manual and paperwork, they are probably
breaking the law. There are some mandatory disclosures included in
most of them. I can't see a reputable manufacturer that would want the
mandatory - and negative - dosclosures to be given as stand alones,
when they can be included with a lot of company prepared feel good
literature. So I'm guessing that most shops that withheld the little
packet wrapped in shrink wrap would irritate their suppliers to the
point of not having any in a short period of time.

Sounds to me like the shop is operating in a grey market, possibly
selling second hand machinery as new.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:26:15 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> may

have said:

What do you folks think? I wrote her a "preliminary" reassuring e-mail just
now, but also said I'd ask around for more opinions.

As for the bike, the frame looks...odd. If it's not going to get
ridden much, as you say, there's little cause for concern...but with a
frame as perculiar as that one, I'd suggest that she use the online
registration form to log the fact of her possession of the bike with
the maker. Should the bike have already been registered to someone
else, she can then use the manufacurer as leverage to get the dealer
to own up to having sold a used bike as new. If that dealer is like
several in this area, though, the lack of docs and the rust and other
marks may just be signs of it having been on the sales floor (and
perhaps outside on the rack to catch the attention of drivers) for
more than a week or two.

As long as the warranty can be confirmed, I wouldn't worry about this
one at all.

--
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Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:26:15 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> may

have said:

What do you folks think? I wrote her a "preliminary" reassuring
e-mail just now, but also said I'd ask around for more opinions.

As for the bike, the frame looks...odd. If it's not going to get
ridden much, as you say, there's little cause for concern...but with a
frame as perculiar as that one, I'd suggest that she use the online
registration form to log the fact of her possession of the bike with
the maker. Should the bike have already been registered to someone
else, she can then use the manufacurer as leverage to get the dealer
to own up to having sold a used bike as new. If that dealer is like
several in this area, though, the lack of docs and the rust and other
marks may just be signs of it having been on the sales floor (and
perhaps outside on the rack to catch the attention of drivers) for
more than a week or two.

As long as the warranty can be confirmed, I wouldn't worry about this
one at all.

Good ideas, thanks. I'll suggest she at least write or call 'em to register
the bike (w/serial number).

/b