El cheapo jersey

Paul_MCMLIX said:

Came across a dandy alternative to expensive cycling jerseys the other day. Places that specialise
in work clothes have those fluro orange or yellow polo shirts that the council and roadwork blokes
wear...for about a third of the price of a cycling jersey. Also available in larger sizes for
cyclists who aren't quite within the average range. No pockets in the back, but a viable option I
thought.

They come in long sleeves too.

-kt

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Came across a dandy alternative to expensive cycling jerseys the other day. Places that specialise
in work clothes have those fluro orange or yellow polo shirts that the council and roadwork blokes
wear...for about a third of the price of a cycling jersey. Also available in larger sizes for
cyclists who aren't quite within the average range. No pockets in the back, but a viable option I
thought.

The only reason I wear a jersey is for the pockets on the back! :-) That and promoting my LBS.

Any time I don't require the pockets, i.e. commuting, when I carry a backpack, I wear the dreaded
"T-SHIRT". Only
1/10th of the price of an average jersey too ;-)

Yes, yes I know all about their non-wicking properties and how everyone but me seems to think they
are evil for riding in, but tough! They are cheap and work fine when pockets aren't needed. Oh, I
wear white ones.. fluoro went out with the 80's...

hippy Not a retro-grouch, just a grouch ;-)

hippy said:

... fluoro went out with the 80's...

So I guess my "Choose Life" t-shirt is out too then 😉

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Came across a dandy alternative to expensive cycling jerseys the other day. Places that specialise
in work clothes have those fluro orange or yellow polo shirts that the council and roadwork blokes
wear...for about a third of the price of a cycling jersey. Also available in larger sizes for
cyclists who aren't quite within the average range. No pockets in the back, but a viable option I
thought.

If your in Melbourne there is a story on Sydeny road called Episode which stocks 2nd hand jerseys I
got my three from there from about $15 each.

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Yes, yes I know all about their non-wicking properties and how everyone but me seems to think they
are evil for riding in, but tough! They are cheap and work fine when pockets aren't needed. Oh, I
wear white ones.. fluoro went out with the 80's...

Same. I don't care what people say about the wicking properties. Most of the time I am going to wear
a t-shirt. Although I reckon you should not worry about style when it comes to visibility. I still
wear fluoro. :-)

I reckon if I wore one of those multi coloured clown wigs over my helmet then I would be seen by
most people. :-). Laughing and pointing does not bother me. Getting hit does.

Pete

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Same. I don't care what people say about the wicking properties.

Most of

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the time I am going to wear a t-shirt. Although I reckon you should

not

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worry about style when it comes to visibility. I still wear fluoro.

:-)

Oh, I look just as daggy in my crusty whites.. I just don't have any fluoro - It's jealousy on my
part, pure and simple :-)

Is fluoro really more visible than pure white? What about at night or in full daylight - which
is better?

hippy

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Is fluoro really more visible than pure white? What about at night or in full daylight - which
is better?

hippy

Crikey, You going to blow my false sense of security here! :-)

To tell you the truth I don't really know. I would have guessed that fluoro was going to be more
visible. I mean I notice when someone has a really bright shirt but not really white. Thats just
subjective though. I am sure someone might know a little more.

Pete

hippy said:

:-)

Oh, I look just as daggy in my crusty whites.. I just don't have any fluoro - It's jealousy on my
part, pure and simple :-)

Is fluoro really more visible than pure white? What about at night or in full daylight - which
is better?

hippy

I'm guessing pure white would reflect a greater amount of light, but fluoro is an unnatural/uncommon
colour that gets peoples attention.

These fluro jobbies from the safety shop are about $25-30,they are also SPF 50+ and 100% Micromesh
Polyester,I believe its the same material stuff as the real deal jerseys.

I have a few left over from my postie days,very light material,have cut the arms off one long sleeve
to make 'back' pockets for the others.

Be safe,be seen thats what I say.................

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Paul_MCMLIX said:

Came across a dandy alternative to expensive cycling jerseys the other day. Places that
specialise in work clothes have those fluro orange or yellow polo shirts that the council and
roadwork blokes wear...for about a third of the price of a cycling jersey. Also available in
larger sizes for cyclists who aren't quite within the average range. No pockets in the back, but
a viable option I thought.

They come in long sleeves too.

-kt

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Originally posted by Paul_MCMLIX
Came across a dandy alternative to expensive cycling jerseys the other day. Places that specialise in work clothes have those fluro orange or yellow polo shirts that the council and roadwork blokes wear...for about a third of the price of a cycling jersey. Also available in larger sizes for cyclists who aren't quite within the average range. No pockets in the back, but a viable option I thought.

I have trouble finding a place to put the shovel

fluoro works by converting ultra violet light into visible light (fluorescing) its MUCH more visible
in twilight and when its cloudy, compared to white stuff, because the ratio of uv to visible light
is much higher then.

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Same. I don't care what people say about the wicking properties.

Most of

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the time I am going to wear a t-shirt. Although I reckon you should

not

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worry about style when it comes to visibility. I still wear fluoro.

:-)

Oh, I look just as daggy in my crusty whites.. I just don't have any fluoro - It's jealousy on my
part, pure and simple :-)

Is fluoro really more visible than pure white? What about at night or in full daylight - which
is better?

hippy

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Paul_MCMLIX said:

Came across a dandy alternative to expensive cycling jerseys the other day. Places that
specialise in work clothes have those fluro orange or yellow polo shirts that the council and
roadwork blokes wear...for about a third of the price of a cycling jersey. Also available in
larger sizes for cyclists who aren't quite within the average range. No pockets in the back,
but a viable option I thought.

I have trouble finding a place to put the shovel

You are meant to lean on it ;-)

Rob

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luoro works by converting ultra violet light into visible light (fluorescing) its MUCH more
visible in twilight and when its cloudy, compared to white stuff, because the ratio of uv to
visible light is much higher then.

It sounds like much of the stuff this thread has mentioned isn't really fluoro, but "day-glow"
i.e. eye pokingly bright colours. Apparently it is incredibly difficult (impossible?) to get true
fluoro into the fibres they make the cloth from and even if they could the effective life span is
pretty short.

Don't take my word for it though, this is from discussions with a friend who runs a business making
outdoor/industrial clothing including hi-vis jackets.

Cheers,

Graeme

I stand corrected...whatever the stuff is called, I just meant 'really bright stick-out-like-dogbally stuff' that decreases the chance of you getting skittled by a semi...

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I stand corrected...whatever the stuff is called, I just meant 'really bright
stick-out-like-dogbally stuff' that decreases the chance of you getting skittled by a semi...

But insects are attracted to bright things...

hippy ;-)

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luoro works by converting ultra violet light into visible light (fluorescing) its MUCH more
visible in twilight and when its cloudy, compared to white stuff, because the ratio of uv to
visible light is much higher then.

It sounds like much of the stuff this thread has mentioned isn't really fluoro, but "day-glow"
i.e. eye pokingly bright colours. Apparently it is incredibly difficult (impossible?) to get true
fluoro into the fibres they make the cloth from and even if they could the effective life span is
pretty short.

Graeme, I respectfully differ on both points you make.

* As far as I know, "day-glow", aka "dae-glo" (or something similar) coloured pigments are the same
as what are now called fluoro colours. They were called "day-glow" because, as arpit wrote, the
pigments picked up UV but reflected it in the visible spectrum, hence "glowed" in "daylight".
Bright pigment colour dyed clothes, like my dear old bright red wool jumper that has kept me so
on-bike warm for so many years (mostly under fluoro gear, tho) are very visible compared to more
subdued pigment colour dyed clothes like your Japara or black Levis, but they are simply not as
visible as fluoro colours. Consider a rainbow tie-dyed t-shirt v your standard fluoro yellow Netti
shower-resistent zip-up top. The Grateful Dead fan's t-shirt's pigment's yellow (whew! s'o man'y
a'postrophe's!) would reflect back the (less whatever amount that isn't reflected but absorbed,
and changed from light energy to heat, or (umm.. guessing here) entropy in the form of fading or
denaturing the pigment and/or fabric in technical formulas that we just ain't concerned with here)
R:254, G:254, B:0 and similar wavelengths of the sunlight that falls on it. The Netti top,
however, reflects back the R:254, G:254, B:0 spectrum light and similar wavelengths, PLUS the UV
converted to visible light from similar wavelengths. What I mean is, a garment dyed with bright
yellow pigments is not as visible as a garment dyed with bright yellow pigments that also take UV
light and reflect them yellow wavelength light.

* I forgot to take my yellow sunnies to lawlib today... now, how the feck does that work? How does
blocking out a whole lot of the spectrum with yellow lenses make things more visible at night or
in low light conditions? OK, so yellow lenses make things look more sunny (even tho fine day
daylight peaks on the blue end of the spectrum) on rainy days, but at night, too? What is the deal
with that?

Ahem.

I forgot to take my yellow sunnies to lawlib today, and (as I would have, anyway) took the long way
back home in growing twilight. As the sun set, I noticed that my:
- 8 years old fluoro yellow socks;
- 5 years old Netti rain-jacket; and,
- 11 years old, fabric-wise, and home-made, fluoro thermafleece jacket were fluorescing their little
hearts, if garments have hearts, out. Most of above-mentioned garments are very faded. But they
still seemed to catch the sunset UV, and do their dayglo thing. Moreover, whenever I'm wearing my
bike gear and take a / in inner city public toilets lit with UV lights (so that... well, y'all
know why there lit like that), my ancient kit nevertheless lights up like a Christmas Tree.

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I stand corrected...whatever the stuff is called, I just meant 'really bright
stick-out-like-dogbally stuff' that decreases the chance of you getting skittled by a semi...

I think that

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But insects are attracted to bright things...

hippy ;-)

And to hippy: Yeep! Do you have scary moments when you walk your bike out the door to ride to work,
and all the bees in the front garden decide that you are far more interesting than the petals they
bin bzzzing at? Apparently, many flowers have UV-light-only pigmentation, because bees' vision is in
a shifted spectrum to us vertebrates. Or something.

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Fred Nieman said:

Graeme wrote:

[chopped entertaining read]

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Moreover, whenever I'm wearing my bike gear and take a / in inner city public toilets lit with UV
lights (so that... well, y'all know why there lit like that), my ancient kit nevertheless lights
up like a Christmas Tree.

actually, why are some public toilets lit like that? I've heard that it's so that it's harder to
shoot up, but is it really?

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I stand corrected...whatever the stuff is called, I just meant 'really bright
stick-out-like-dogbally stuff' that decreases the chance of you getting skittled by a semi...

I think that

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But insects are attracted to bright things...

hippy ;-)

And to hippy: Yeep! Do you have scary moments when you walk your bike out the door to ride to
work, and all the bees in the front garden decide that you are far more interesting than the
petals they bin bzzzing at? Apparently, many flowers have UV-light-only pigmentation, because
bees' vision is in a shifted spectrum to us vertebrates. Or something.

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Fred Nieman said:

Graeme wrote:

[chopped entertaining read]

Thanks from both of us (probably]!

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Moreover, whenever I'm wearing my bike gear and take a / in inner city public toilets lit with
UV lights (so that... well, y'all know why there lit like that), my ancient kit nevertheless
lights up like a Christmas Tree.

actually, why are some public toilets lit like that? I've heard that it's so that it's harder to
shoot up, but is it really?

Yep, 's why, AFAIK. It think it got a wee flurry in the media (oops - no pun intended) a while ago.
Just means you have to draw where to hit up in biro before you go in - tho I notice some of the UV
tubes at in the loo on the west of Flinders St have been replaced with conventional ones. (I'll bet
that it was a nice idea at the time, but now it's too expensive top replace them.) Either that or
it's designed to validate us "be loud, be proud" types.

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If your in Melbourne there is a story on Sydeny road called Episode which stocks 2nd hand jerseys I
got my three from there from about $15 each.
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I was intrigued by the reference to the 2nd hand jerseys in Syndey Rd, Brunswick, so I phoned them.

Episode is a 2nd-hand clothing store specialising in clothes from Europe and the US. The clothing range includes cycling jerseys and, to a lesser extent, jackets and sometimes shorts.
The jerseys come in Lycra, wool and acrylic. The Lycra specials start at $5. The wool $20 - $40. Epsiode hrs are 9 -6 Mon - Wed & Sat; 9 - 8 Thu, Fri; & 11 - 6 Sat.

(I have absolutely no vested interest in Episode)