drivers speeding away

nash said:

"Avoid rapid acceleration (putting the pedal to the metal) which can produce
more than 40 times the emissions of normal driving."

That means when ever a driver gets [censored] from seeing a cyclists and
speeds up to get away from you like you are vermin he is polluting the air
40X more than if you were not there in front of him.
I know it IS there fault but that puts my world out of wack cause I believed
I was improving air quality and now it is a few degrees less so.

[censored] will just find another excuse to be [censored] if you aren't there.
Quit worrying about it and ride.

Quoted message said:

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor
and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get everyone
shutting off the motor then. haha

I do that at tain tracks if I can't see the end of the train, or if it's
crawling through the crossing.

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On Jan 24, 12:58 pm, Kristian M Zoerhoff <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

nash said:

"Avoid rapid acceleration (putting the pedal to the metal) which can produce
more than 40 times the emissions of normal driving."

Quoted message said:

That means when ever a driver gets [censored] from seeing a cyclists and
speeds up to get away from you like you are vermin he is polluting the air
40X more than if you were not there in front of him.
I know it IS there fault but that puts my world out of wack cause I believed
I was improving air quality and now it is a few degrees less so.[censored] will just find another excuse to be [censored] if you >>aren't there.

Making a difference? Har har. Best reason to ride is because you like
to. If it eases traffic or pollution, so be it, but it's likely just a
drop in the bucket. Ride for the same reason the Dutch do--it's silly
to use a car for most trips. Ride because bikes are neat and elegant
and make you look cool. Don't ride to be a self righteous hippie (not
saying that you are :-P), let the benefits happen due to coincidence.
"Damn, my butt got smaller! Oh, that's right, I've been riding that
bicycle thing..."

Quoted message said:

Quit worrying about it and ride.

Quoted message said:

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor
and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get everyone
shutting off the motor then. hahaI do that at tain tracks if I can't see the end of the train, or if it's

crawling through the crossing.

I always shut off the car if I'm waiting for somebody, at a RR
crossing, etc. It's the law in much of Scandinavia AFAIK. Around here
though, people leave their cars running when they shop at the
convenience store on the corner, as if shutting them off is some sort
of burden. Saw a guy's car stolen due to this. Amusingly enough, he was
plastered. I told him it was just the caring neighborhood youth trying
to keep him out of a DUI...

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get
everyone

Intersections are normally 30 seconds per change green to red and red to
green.
Any idling more than that is uneccessary. It really unnerves me.
My Dad was a mechanic and he said the ignition would wear out. Came from
the same old wives tale that turning the TV on and off wears it out or uses
more power than watching it for hours. And the PC come to think of it.
Both TV and PC monitor probably use about 5 light bulbs of energy to run. I
wonder what it is with LCD and HDTV, everything being energy star compliant
these days.

SN

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:24:44 GMT, "nash" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor
and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get everyone
shutting off the motor then. haha

I think this practice is getting popular in Japan. I recall seeing a
feature on TV (some news program perhaps) where people were standing
at intersection holding signs encouraging drivers to shut off their
engines (I can't read Japanese) while waiting at the light.

jeverett3<AT>sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)

John Everett said:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:24:44 GMT, "nash" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor
and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get everyone
shutting off the motor then. hahaI think this practice is getting popular in Japan. I recall seeing a

feature on TV (some news program perhaps) where people were standing
at intersection holding signs encouraging drivers to shut off their
engines (I can't read Japanese) while waiting at the light.

jeverett3<AT>sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)

I thought a couple of car manufactures had already made cars that do
this automatically, shut off the engine after 20 seconds and restart
once you put your foot on the accelerator. I think Audi made one.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:49:45 GMT, "nash" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My Dad was a mechanic and he said the ignition would wear out. Came from
the same old wives tale that turning the TV on and off wears it out or uses
more power than watching it for hours. And the PC come to think of it.
Both TV and PC monitor probably use about 5 light bulbs of energy to run. I
wonder what it is with LCD and HDTV, everything being energy star compliant
these days.

Ignitions before the 1990s or so did wear out. Anyone that learned to
tap the starter to jog the brushes to a better position because they
were worn knows this. No old wives tale about it - restoring old cars
leaves you with lots of experience with the procedure. Still have the
jimmy bar I used leaning against the garage wall. The Saabs and Volvos
are long gone...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Marz said:

I thought a couple of car manufactures had already made cars that do
this automatically, shut off the engine after 20 seconds and restart
once you put your foot on the accelerator. I think Audi made one.

My Prius does it, but the hybrids aren't exactly examples of ordinary
gas driven cars.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:24:44 GMT, "nash" <[email hidden]>

may have said:

Hello fellow environment guardians.
This came to my attention when reading clean air tips at www.aircare.ca

"Avoid rapid acceleration (putting the pedal to the metal) which can produce
more than 40 times the emissions of normal driving."

That means when ever a driver gets [censored] from seeing a cyclists and
speeds up to get away from you like you are vermin he is polluting the air
40X more than if you were not there in front of him.
I know it IS there fault but that puts my world out of wack cause I believed
I was improving air quality and now it is a few degrees less so.

Blame the traffic planners who insist on using one roadway for all
purposes. Expect the regulations to put even Segways out into traffic
in places where that is not already the case; IME the planners all
drive cars, and seldom have a clue about the implications of the
policies they institute.

Quoted message said:

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor
and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get everyone
shutting off the motor then. haha

This assertion is true only for modern, fuel-injected vehicles with
efficient fuel delivery systems. For the older carbureted engines, it
was more like two or three minutes.

VW tried a stop/start engine with one of their Diesels[1], and Cushman
successfully does it with their gas-engine golf carts and personnel
carriers, but most gasoline-powered autos would have problems with
such a system. Also, the inevitable small delay in taking off from
the intersection would slow the progress of traffic too much in many
situaions, resulting in a significant increase in emissions as drivers
accelerated harder to try to beat the next light change.

[1] The 1980's-era VW Rabbit was nominally available with a Diesel
coupled to an automatic transmission; that model had a fairly massive
flywheel (ordinarily not used with an automatic) which was
electrically clutched to provide restart energy so that the engine
could come to a full stop when the vehicle was halted. It sort of
worked, but consumers intensely disliked the immediate cessation of
air conditioning effectiveness when the vehicle stopped, so it was
seldom sold outside of cold-climate markets.

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"nash" wrote: (clip) I believed I was improving air quality and now it is
a few degrees less so. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So if, God forbid, you were to be the victim of a hit-run, you would share
in the guilt?

"Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"nash" wrote: (clip) I believed I was improving air quality and now it
is a few degrees less so. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So if, God forbid, you were to be the victim of a hit-run, you would share
in the guilt?

No I am just MADD One step forward two steps back per usual.
Good thing you mentioned that
Why is it always with less drivers on the road they act more dangerous.

Less witnesses to the crime. Seems like that to me. I can depend on other
drivers witnessing this hit and run in heavy traffic so it is less likely to
happen. Except for that fellow earlier in 2006 here. ( Hope your wrist is
better.) They drive more predictably since they are in a paced line-up and
hopefully quite alert.

In article <G6Wth.784809$5R2.781320@pd7urf3no>,

nash said:

"Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"nash" wrote: (clip) I believed I was improving air quality and now it
is a few degrees less so. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So if, God forbid, you were to be the victim of a hit-run, you would share
in the guilt?

No I am just MADD One step forward two steps back per usual.
Good thing you mentioned that
Why is it always with less drivers on the road they act more dangerous.

Why is it cyclists are admonished to "act predictably", while
drivers are admonished through the media to "drive responsibly"?

Anyways it seems to me that being "predictable" ain't worth a
pinch of raccoon droppings if the people (car drivers) we'd try
to be predictable to, /can't/ (or won't) predict. Especially
when they're so unpredictable, themselves.

Toeing the social line and "being predictable" and being
Mr. Compliant is no better, and much worse a survival
tactic than just being heads-up and aware of what's
going on all around, and dealing with stuff as it
presents itself. Because "being predictable" connotes
relying on others to look after our safety. But we've
really gotta look after ourselves.

Maybe cyclists' safety is more about predicting, than
it is about being "predictable."

Besides, among /all/ types of road users, there's no
such thing as "predictable."

Another thing I wonder about -- when you're riding
up to a stop line on a minor street, a driver ahead
of you insists on you queuing in an orderly and
"predictable" fashion behind them -- but when you
on your bike is in front, the driver coming up from
behind insists on sidling up beside you, sharing
the stop line, and blocking your sight line to
the left?

cheers, & be predictful,
Tom

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Actually, I said the cars are predictable. More to the right they will turn
right and probably without signalling until the last few feet for example.
Therefore, predictable.
When they are on a crowded street they are less likely to try and change
lanes. Just little stuff like that that you learn from being with them. So
when they are hitting a red light I go left of them and get in front of
someone before they need to turn right.
So besides the main thing you got it right. Your predictableness. Not
saying you are wrong just that you are not right. 🙂
I do not ever rely on a prediction but being fast to get out of the way
helps. I also drive with the intention that no driver will ever feel the
need to honk. I just hate that. Even though I am 100X faster than they
think. I just do not like people looking and thinking Oh another
irresponsible cyclist. People in Montreal drive fast because they are good
not crappy.
No sense of timing, they do not know we follow the same rules they do. Even
the pedestrians look at you like you are not allowed to be there. I could
join them but I might get a black eye.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Another thing I wonder about -- when you're riding

up to a stop line on a minor street, a driver ahead
of you insists on you queuing in an orderly and
"predictable" fashion behind them -- but when you
on your bike is in front, the driver coming up
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There is a street called Whalley Ring Rd where it Ts into Fraser Hwy.
One lane turning right two lanes for left, so I am where I am suppose to be
cause I am turning left which is inside that lane to the curb side.
Everytime someone comes up that lane to also turn left they would give me a
rough time about being in their lane. Well, next time I try other side of
the line and the right turn lane gets filled behind me and they give me a
bad time. The language, so anyway. So I move my bike, because I get
harrassed so much, depending on who comes in behind me after I've already
stopped and put my foot down. After a few times I stopped being nice. No
matter what you are wrong. So I do not even go that way now. Just by pass
the light and get ahead of them on the bike path and cross the street. More
than one way to skin a cat. Sorry Felix.
there were many things that brought out the worst in me on that left
turn lane, mostly wise asses passing me when they had no lane left or
purposefully stopping in front and to the right because they saw I road
fast.

In article <7UXth.783245$1T2.191664@pd7urf2no>,

nash said:

No
matter what you are wrong.

That pretty much sums-up driver/cyclist relations.

That's how it's always been.

Maybe trying to change it is futile, and what we
have to do is learn to live & deal with it, and be
practical instead of idealistic.

cheers,
Tom

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(Tom Keats) said:

...Because "being predictable" connotes
relying on others to look after our safety. But we've
really gotta look after ourselves.

You said it all when you said it.

Quoted message said:

Maybe cyclists' safety is more about predicting, than
it is about being "predictable."

Sing it, Brother!!!

New cyclists are admonished to be 'visible and
predictable' first and foremost. This implies that
ultimately it is up to the drivers to keep them safe,
and that their responsibility as cyclists lies in helping
the drivers keep them safe. Talk about putting the ball
in the wrong hoop! Instead of be 'visible and predictable,'
it should be 'keep your head up and your eyes open,
and think ahead.' Instead of visibility, Vision. Visibility
is a by-product of responsible riding anyway, and
shouldn't be a prime directive; 'predictable' means
different things to different people.

Robert

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

(Tom Keats) said:

...Because "being predictable" connotes
relying on others to look after our safety. But we've
really gotta look after ourselves.

You said it all when you said it.

Quoted message said:

Maybe cyclists' safety is more about predicting, than
it is about being "predictable."

Sing it, Brother!!!

New cyclists are admonished to be 'visible and
predictable' first and foremost. This implies that
ultimately it is up to the drivers to keep them safe,
and that their responsibility as cyclists lies in helping
the drivers keep them safe. Talk about putting the ball
in the wrong hoop! Instead of be 'visible and predictable,'
it should be 'keep your head up and your eyes open,
and think ahead.' Instead of visibility, Vision. Visibility
is a by-product of responsible riding anyway, and
shouldn't be a prime directive; 'predictable' means
different things to different people.

Robert

Just as being totally unpredictable like young irresponsible people you also
cause havoc. Cars do not go jumping off sidewalks into traffic without
warning. They do not use signals very much and cause me to slow down but I
always signal and get in the right lane and they think that is
irresponsible. Again, for the record, I did not say cyclists should be
predictable. I said cars are in tight traffic since they are like in a pace
line-up or something until you get to an intersection and then you can see
alot of them getting ready to turn without even using their signals. They
do not pay me the same courtesy though if I am looking for an opening. Some
might but they cannot always see what I see.
On 140th going north I turn left at 96th. Even though the light is red
drivers will give me a honk when I am changing lanes. I know where they are
but they honk anyway and then they have to stop after 100 ft. They do not
use vision. Otherwise they would have known the light was about to turn red
or is red but they are obnoxious all the same. Just makes me think they
need to ride a bike every second year, no driving to keep them up to snuff.
lol

Tom Keats said:

Another thing I wonder about -- when you're riding
up to a stop line on a minor street, a driver ahead
of you insists on you queuing in an orderly and
"predictable" fashion behind them -- but when you
on your bike is in front, the driver coming up from
behind insists on sidling up beside you, sharing
the stop line, and blocking your sight line to
the left?

The do it because they CAN because the bicyclist has allowed it by being
to the right. The further you ride to the ride the greater the
invitation to use your lane, whether you are moving or stopped.

Wayne

nash said:

Hello fellow environment guardians.
This came to my attention when reading clean air tips at www.aircare.ca

"Avoid rapid acceleration (putting the pedal to the metal) which can produce
more than 40 times the emissions of normal driving."

That means when ever a driver gets [censored] from seeing a cyclists and
speeds up to get away from you like you are vermin he is polluting the air
40X more than if you were not there in front of him.
I know it IS there fault but that puts my world out of wack cause I believed
I was improving air quality and now it is a few degrees less so.

That is THEIR fault, not yours.

Quoted message said:

Also, idling more that 30 seconds is worse than shutting off the motor
and starting up again. I guesss some intersections they could get everyone
shutting off the motor then. haha

For years now I've been turning off my car at lights when I know I will
have to sit there for a long cycle.

Wayne

For years now I've been turning off my car at lights when I know I will
have to sit there for a long cycle.

Wayne

Do you know if it has harmed your engine any?

nash said:

For years now I've been turning off my car at lights when I know I will
have to sit there for a long cycle.

Wayne

Do you know if it has harmed your engine any?

It sounds like the starter would be the first to go. If there were a way
to pre-lube the oil pressure then there would be 0.0 bad side effects on
the engine. There was a company in San Jose, Ca. that made a kit like
that but I haven't checked to see if they are still in business.
I was wondering why there are no partial hybrids on the market with just
enough battery to handle parking lot rush hour driving. When I worked in
Silicon Valley I drove the 140 miles on Monday morning then rented a
cheap motel room for the week. From there I could cycle to work and
watch all the cars parked in a solid jam up. Most of the gas and
pollution is caused by hours of stop and go (0-5MPH-0) repeating this
all the way to work 5 days a week.
If somebody could make (and sell) something like this (cagers are
stubborn) it would kill most of the pollution. A roof adorned with solar
panels to charge the battery pack might make it possible to commute all
week on battery power alone.
Thinking way outside the box,
Bill Baka