OT Interesting video

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Ken

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Ken
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The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

Ken C. M. wrote:

Ken C. M. said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Ken

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Ken

Quoted message said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Ken

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Ken

Now I want a Titanium bike, screw the Aluminum or Carbon fiber.
Bill Baka

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.

http://tinyurl.com/2ek5sb

Quoted message said:

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Oh, what sort of eggs would a carbon fiber bicycle lay, or maybe you
were possibly considering what effect leaving a bicycle lying in a
driveway would have. That's nucular!

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.

http://tinyurl.com/2ek5sb

Quoted message said:

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Oh, what sort of eggs would a carbon fiber bicycle lay, or maybe you
were possibly considering what effect leaving a bicycle lying in a
driveway would have. That's nucular!

Jobst Brandt

Sorry for the imperfect use of the english language.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

Bill Baka said:

Ken C. M. wrote:

Ken C. M. said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Ken

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Ken

Quoted message said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Ken

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Ken

Now I want a Titanium bike, screw the Aluminum or Carbon fiber.
Bill Baka

That was my thinking as well, but then again I don't leave my ride where
that would happen and if it happened while I was riding I think I might
have more to worry about than my AL or CF bike getting crushed.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

Ken C. M. said:

Bill Baka said:

Ken C. M. wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Now I want a Titanium bike, screw the Aluminum or Carbon fiber.

Excellent choice! ;-)

Quoted message said:

That was my thinking as well, but then again I don't leave my ride where
that would happen and if it happened while I was riding I think I might
have more to worry about than my AL or CF bike getting crushed.

The demonstration has merit well beyond a tube's (or a frame's)
ability to withstand being run over by a large SUV. There are all
kinds of ways to crush a tube, even if it's only a focused event that
results in a nasty dent in a down tube.

It is telling that they used a ROUND tube for the demonstration (and
mention that this is "before the 'enhancement'". Any shaping they'd
do to the tube would have made it less likely to stand up to the
weight, of course.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3
Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899
&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

To me, it shows that bad science in marketing drives away customers.
After watching that, I have no interest in ever buying a Litespeed
product.

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Ken C. M. said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Ken

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

At least it was a diesel truck, the real future of internal combustion
engines....

Doc O'Leary said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3
Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899
&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

To me, it shows that bad science in marketing drives away customers.
After watching that, I have no interest in ever buying a Litespeed
product.

--

Ahhh geeezzz, another broad paintbrush on a teeny little unscientific
demonstration. "no interest in EVER buying a Litespeed product', C'mon,
why do so many take something SO small and make pronouncments like
that? 'Using the word 'toy' comes to mind. Some marketing is just
plain stupid, but to completely discount a potentially great product
designed by non-marketeers seems silly.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

At least it was a diesel truck, the real future of internal combustion
engines....

and source of our current nasty pollution.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Doc O'Leary said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.
http://video.google.com/url?vidurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3
Fdocid%3D3741362681682291899%26q%3Dbicycle%26hl%3Den&docid=3741362681682291899
&ev=v&esrc=sr17&usg=AL29H21arWQFi78thYakNzAJ5xLlT7uf-w

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

To me, it shows that bad science in marketing drives away customers.
After watching that, I have no interest in ever buying a Litespeed
product.

--

Ahhh geeezzz, another broad paintbrush on a teeny little unscientific
demonstration. "no interest in EVER buying a Litespeed product', C'mon,
why do so many take something SO small and make pronouncments like
that? 'Using the word 'toy' comes to mind. Some marketing is just
plain stupid, but to completely discount a potentially great product
designed by non-marketeers seems silly.

Quoted message said:

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That little video clip did not affect my view of carbon fiber at all. Or
any brand at all. I am not going to be running my carbon bike over with
an oversized SUV. Stupid attempt to get people to move to Ti.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

Ken C. M. said:

Okay I think I mangled the link try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3741362681682291899&q=bicycle&pr=goog-sl

"Titanium is slippery"?

The truck tire didn't "test" the Ti tube the same as the other two. The
ledge in the badly broken-up driveway took the truck's weight, allowed
the tire to push the rolling tube along the driveway, and the roll-over
weight looks like it was partly borne by the Alu tube.

"Enhancements"? Like forming ("partially crushing"😉 the tube? Good
idea. Let's try this over again with a tube that doesn't roll or skid,
and stands alone to bear the weight of the noisy-riding mud tire on
that stinky oversize penis-mobile that ol' Dufus there drives solo to
work and 3/4 mile back and forth from the beer store.

Ti: diamond-hard miracle metal that never breaks when used to make
bicycle frames. Right?

Time for more coffee and less grouchy. Beg pardon.

Just for curiosity, is this a known framebuilder or employee of same?
--D-y

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

At least it was a diesel truck, the real future of internal combustion
engines....

Maybe, if they make them smaller and cleaner. Using biodiesel is good.
But how about this concept:
http://www.starrotor.com/Engine.htm

Wayne

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ken C. M. said:

That little video clip did not affect my view of carbon fiber at all. Or
any brand at all. I am not going to be running my carbon bike over with
an oversized SUV. Stupid attempt to get people to move to Ti.

Exactly. If you're going to show a dramatic failure, do it for stresses
that a bicycle actually faces and not some bogus "an SUV will crush you"
video. It didn't affect my view of the materials at all, but the
presentation definitely gives me a low opinion of Litespeed.

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Wayne Pein said:

But how about this concept:
http://www.starrotor.com/Engine.htm

After gazing at hundreds of "miracle engine" articles over the years,
I've decided to ignore any reports that don't include tests of working
models. The only one of those hundreds of designs that gained any
traction was the Wankel, and it didn't set the world on fire.

That page is way too full of phrases like "...is projected to have...",
"...should be...," "...is expected to be..."

- Frank Krygowski

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<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Wayne Pein said:

But how about this concept:
http://www.starrotor.com/Engine.htm

After gazing at hundreds of "miracle engine" articles over the years,
I've decided to ignore any reports that don't include tests of working
models. The only one of those hundreds of designs that gained any
traction was the Wankel, and it didn't set the world on fire.

That page is way too full of phrases like "...is projected to have...",
"...should be...," "...is expected to be..."

Can you can tell me why gas turbine engines are not
practical? They have run well in races.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Wayne Pein said:

But how about this concept:
http://www.starrotor.com/Engine.htm

After gazing at hundreds of "miracle engine" articles over the years,
I've decided to ignore any reports that don't include tests of working
models. The only one of those hundreds of designs that gained any
traction was the Wankel, and it didn't set the world on fire.

That page is way too full of phrases like "...is projected to have...",
"...should be...," "...is expected to be..."

Can you can tell me why gas turbine engines are not
practical? They have run well in races.

Ask Chrysler they tried to get one to work in a prototype back in 70s
and it went nowhere fast.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

In rec.bicycles.tech said:

Ken C. M. said:

Okay well it's not totally OT but sort of. I found this little video
clip on google.

http://tinyurl.com/2ek5sb

Quoted message said:

Shows the reason not to leave your carbon fiber ride laying around in
someones driveway.

Oh, what sort of eggs would a carbon fiber bicycle lay, or maybe you
were possibly considering what effect leaving a bicycle lying in a
driveway would have. That's nucular!

Jobst Brandt

The Soviets used Titanium to create the deepest diving
(nucular-powered) military submarines ever, more than doubling std
crush depths. So if you use a slightly bigger truck in the video that
titanium tube is history, judging how easily the other tubes went.
Also, I suspect you run over a whole bike and although the some of the
tubes themselves may be left intact, all the joints would be a
shambles, not to mention components. I.e. the damage would be equally
catastrophic. Anyway, I learned about leaving thebike behind the car
at the 7-11 when I was 9.

BTW, a lot of people laugh at 43 about his pronunciation of the word
"nuclear", and I did too (quietly) when I joined the nuclear navy and
noticed some highly educated people doing the same, until I figured
out that's the legitimate pronunciation on the east coast, or at least
in parts of it.... never thought I'd be defending him!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_class_submarine

Bill Westphal

Ken C. M. said:

Ask Chrysler they tried to get one to work in a prototype back in 70s
and it went nowhere fast.

The same fabulously competent Chrysler that had to be bailed out of
bankruptcy by the US gov't?

Wayne