I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
I use the bike for both commuting to work and recreational rides and a very occasional Triathlon. The shop says they can build a new wheel for $200 which will last "forever" or I can buy a new similar wheel (~$150) that will fail every 6000 miles or so or I can by a cheaper lower performance wheel that will again "last forever".
Any thoughts? I'm inclined to have the wheel built
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true?
How did it "fail"? Did the spoke holes crack?
BTW... you can tell us the actual model... others might have experience with the same rim.
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
I use the bike for both commuting to work and recreational rides and a very occasional Triathlon. The shop says they can build a new wheel for $200 which will last "forever" or I can buy a new similar wheel (~$150) that will fail every 6000 miles or so or I can by a cheaper lower performance wheel that will again "last forever".
Any thoughts? I'm inclined to have the wheel built
Steve G
I'll wager that it's a Ritchey DS 20 spoke rear.
I'm ready for my 3rd rear rim replacement on one of those wheels. The first time it was an entire section ripping out (noticed the day before a 60 mile road race) and this second time it's cracking at the spoke holes.
Anyone know where I can get a Velocity Deep V rim with a 20 spoke hole count?
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
#1: We can be of more help if you name the offending product. Don't worry about trying to protect their reputation; if it deserves protection, others will come to its defense.
#2: How are these rims failing? Do either you or the shop have a theory for why?
Thanks-
--Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
I use the bike for both commuting to work and recreational rides and a very occasional Triathlon. The shop says they can build a new wheel for $200 which will last "forever" or I can buy a new similar wheel (~$150) that will fail every 6000 miles or so or I can by a cheaper lower performance wheel that will again "last forever".
Any thoughts? I'm inclined to have the wheel built
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
I use the bike for both commuting to work and recreational rides and a very occasional Triathlon. The shop says they can build a new wheel for $200 which will last "forever" or I can buy a new similar wheel (~$150) that will fail every 6000 miles or so or I can by a cheaper lower performance wheel that will again "last forever".
Any thoughts? I'm inclined to have the wheel built
Steve G
I'll wager that it's a Ritchey DS 20 spoke rear.
I'm ready for my 3rd rear rim replacement on one of those wheels. The first time it was an entire section ripping out (noticed the day before a 60 mile road race) and this second time it's cracking at the spoke holes.
Anyone know where I can get a Velocity Deep V rim with a 20 spoke hole count?[/QUOTE] Velocity USA's web site says that 20H Deep V is available. What color do you want? (Not all colors are available in all drillings).
I'm ready for my 3rd rear rim replacement on one of those wheels. The first time it was an entire section ripping out (noticed the day before a 60 mile road race) and this second time it's cracking at the spoke holes.
Anyone know where I can get a Velocity Deep V rim with a 20 spoke hole count?
Velocity USA's web site says that 20H Deep V is available. What color do you want? (Not all colors are available in all drillings).
-- daveornee
Black would be nice. The reason I ask is that I noticed that the ERD for the 2 rims is almost identical and I could replace the offending Ritchey rim with the Deep V without changing spokes...even though the Ritchey is offset.
I've seen that listing on the Velocity site, but I haven't been able to locate a source.
Anyone know where I can get a Velocity Deep V rim with a 20 spoke hole count?
Oddsandendos sells 30mm Niobium rims in 20h... don't know if the ERD will work for you though. It's about 100g lighter than a Deep V... maybe too light for the rear. But I'd like you to try them so you can tell us how they hold up. Of course Deep Vs will be ok... but that is boring...
Are those wheels radial on the NDS? Were the failures on the pulling spokes?
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
I use the bike for both commuting to work and recreational rides and a very occasional Triathlon. The shop says they can build a new wheel for $200 which will last "forever" or I can buy a new similar wheel (~$150) that will fail every 6000 miles or so or I can by a cheaper lower performance wheel that will again "last forever".
Any thoughts? I'm inclined to have the wheel built
Steve G
No wheel 'lasts forever'. Even if it doesn't get wacked, dented, the rim will wear out from braking. "Tearing" rear rims? What does this mean, wearing out the sidewalls? It happens. About 5000 miles to wear out a sidewall seems a little low to me unless you ride in the junk/wet/dirt all the time.
If the hub is OK, why not rebuild the wheel?? Less than $150 for sure-should be in the $90-$100 range, rim, labor(reuse spokes). Hubs, when maintained well can last dern near forever.
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true?
How did it "fail"? Did the spoke holes crack?
BTW... you can tell us the actual model... others might have experience with the same rim.
Sorry I don't know the wheel manufacturer (I will look tonight) but the bike is a Specialized Allez Elite. The first time the rim failed there was a large tear in the rim sidewall. This time it pulled out at the spoke nipples.
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true?
How did it "fail"? Did the spoke holes crack?
BTW... you can tell us the actual model... others might have experience with the same rim.
Sorry I don't know the wheel manufacturer (I will look tonight) but the bike is a Specialized Allez Elite. The first time the rim failed there was a large tear in the rim sidewall. This time it pulled out at the spoke nipples.
That would likely be an Alex ALX330 wheelset, no? If there was a tear in the rim sidewall, and you're looking for more miles, then go with something like a 700c Dyad with really thick sidewalls so it'll go a lot longer. 14k miles is not bad for a high-performance racing rim.
'Cause it only has 20 spoke holes, for one thing...
As others have mentioned, 20h rims are not hard to find(Velocity) and the manufacturer, whoever Specialized uses, will have rims as well.....TYhe gent is implying that the guy would just throw the wheeland hub away, and buy a new wheel, complete..
Anyone know where I can get a Velocity Deep V rim with a 20 spoke hole count?
Oddsandendos sells 30mm Niobium rims in 20h... don't know if the ERD will work for you though. It's about 100g lighter than a Deep V... maybe too light for the rear. But I'd like you to try them so you can tell us how they hold up. Of course Deep Vs will be ok... but that is boring...
Yeah...I saw those. But the ERD is different enough that I'd need new spokes...I'd really like to be able to re-use the nice black bladed spokes.
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Are those wheels radial on the NDS? Were the failures on the pulling spokes?
Nope, they're laced conventionally. Also, the Ritchey DS rims have an offset spoke bed to "equalize" the spoke tension, despite this the cracks at the spoke holes are on the spokes going to the drive side flange. On the first rim, an entire section of the "slanted" drive side was cracked along what appeared to be an internal circumferential stress riser. Part of the reason I'm thinking the the Velocity would be a good replacement is that it's heavier...and thus hopefully would have thicker material.
Sorry I don't know the wheel manufacturer (I will look tonight) but the bike is a Specialized Allez Elite. The first time the rim failed there was a large tear in the rim sidewall. This time it pulled out at the spoke nipples.
I have a 2005 version of that bike. It came with 24 spoke rear and 20 spoke front Alex 295s. I ran them for 1100 miles and replaced them with 32 hole Mavics, but 295s are what came on mine, if this helps.
I just got the bad word that my rear rim has failed again. I have ridden 14,000 miles on the bike and this will be the 3rd rim. I'm told this is "normal". Is this true? The rim is a 20 spoke "high performance" rim.
I use the bike for both commuting to work and recreational rides and a very occasional Triathlon. The shop says they can build a new wheel for $200 which will last "forever" or I can buy a new similar wheel (~$150) that will fail every 6000 miles or so or I can by a cheaper lower performance wheel that will again "last forever".
Any thoughts? I'm inclined to have the wheel built
Steve G
I'll wager that it's a Ritchey DS 20 spoke rear.
I'm ready for my 3rd rear rim replacement on one of those wheels. The first time it was an entire section ripping out (noticed the day before a 60 mile road race) and this second time it's cracking at the spoke holes.
Anyone know where I can get a Velocity Deep V rim with a 20 spoke hole count?
Sure, that's not even difficult, $65
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
If the hub is OK, why not rebuild the wheel?? Less than $150 for sure-should be in the $90-$100 range, rim, labor(reuse spokes). Hubs, when maintained well can last dern near forever.
Many LBSes won't rebuild wheels with old spokes, though.
If the hub is OK, why not rebuild the wheel?? Less than $150 for sure-should be in the $90-$100 range, rim, labor(reuse spokes). Hubs, when maintained well can last dern near forever.
Jasper Janssen said:
Many LBSes won't rebuild wheels with old spokes, though.
Yes, that's true but his range was generous. Typically $24 for spokes, $25 to build, $60 for the rim sums to $109 for most wheel rebuilds.
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
