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  1. This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --

  2. Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --


    So you can pump it up and it'll hold air with no repairs whatsoever?
    That is strange. I'd suspect the tube's valve although the exact
    mechanism for your observed behavior escapes me.

    -paul

  3. Paul Cassel said:
    Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --


    So you can pump it up and it'll hold air with no repairs whatsoever?
    That is strange. I'd suspect the tube's valve although the exact
    mechanism for your observed behavior escapes me.

    I agree. I've come across a few valves that seemed to be overly
    sensitive to getting a bit of dust under the valve seal. Usually
    they'd hold air ok, but sometimes they wouldn't seal properly and would
    let the tube go flat.

  4. Per Artoi:

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.

    Yes.

    Replace it with another tube.

    Fill up the suspect tube so it's a little larger than it would be inside the
    tire, hang it up somewhere, and see what happens over the next days/weeks.

    If the new tube goes flat... that tells you something too...
    --
    PeteCresswell

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Paul Cassel said:
    Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --


    So you can pump it up and it'll hold air with no repairs whatsoever?
    That is strange. I'd suspect the tube's valve although the exact
    mechanism for your observed behavior escapes me.

    Exactly, very strange.

    The first time it happened, I inspected, pumped it up, rode 70-80km over
    a number of days and nothing happens before a routine pump up of tyre.
    Last night the tyre was tight before I went to bed and this morning it
    was totally flat.

    Yes, I thought about the valve too as I just couldn't think of any other
    place that can release the pressure at that rapid of a rate and that
    completely. But the valve looked and functioned ok when I inspected and
    worked it.
    --

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (PeteCresswell) said:

    Per Artoi:

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.

    Quoted message said:

    Replace it with another tube.

    Fill up the suspect tube so it's a little larger than it would be inside the
    tire, hang it up somewhere, and see what happens over the next days/weeks.

    If the new tube goes flat... that tells you something too...

    I haven't gone that far yet as I've been a little lazy. I've pumped it
    up again this morning and it seemed to be back to normal again. Just
    trying to see if anyone has seen similar. If it happens again, I think
    I'll just toss the tube.
    --

  7. peter said:
    Paul Cassel said:

    So you can pump it up and it'll hold air with no repairs whatsoever?
    That is strange. I'd suspect the tube's valve although the exact
    mechanism for your observed behavior escapes me.

    I agree. I've come across a few valves that seemed to be overly
    sensitive to getting a bit of dust under the valve seal. Usually
    they'd hold air ok, but sometimes they wouldn't seal properly and would
    let the tube go flat.

    If you have a valve core tool, you could swap it for another valve
    core, from a prior flat or with the other wheel or a old / new spare
    tube.

  8. Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks
    ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a
    number of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may
    be.

    I got a flat the other day. Had a brand-new Vittoria spare with a faulty
    valve stem/tube interface -- AND my patch kit had melted. After struggling
    with it all for a good half hour, a good samaritan rode by and gave me a
    tube.

    The kicker? I was right in front of my ex-wife's new condo. (Good thing I
    don't know what unit!)

    The point is that I've had tubes in the past that will hold air fine when
    fully inflated, but when unweight-loaded and after losing a little air, it
    all leaks out around the valve stem. (Small break in glue I guess --
    pressed tight by pressure but opens when reduced?)

    Bill "it's always something" S.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:
    Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks
    ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a
    number of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may
    be.

    I got a flat the other day. Had a brand-new Vittoria spare with a faulty
    valve stem/tube interface -- AND my patch kit had melted. After struggling
    with it all for a good half hour, a good samaritan rode by and gave me a
    tube.

    The kicker? I was right in front of my ex-wife's new condo. (Good thing I
    don't know what unit!)

    The point is that I've had tubes in the past that will hold air fine when
    fully inflated, but when unweight-loaded and after losing a little air, it
    all leaks out around the valve stem. (Small break in glue I guess --
    pressed tight by pressure but opens when reduced?)

    We have a common thread here. The tube on mine is also a Vittoria.
    --

  10. Artoi said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:
    Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks
    ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a
    number of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may
    be.


    I got a flat the other day. Had a brand-new Vittoria spare with a faulty
    valve stem/tube interface -- AND my patch kit had melted. After struggling
    with it all for a good half hour, a good samaritan rode by and gave me a
    tube.

    The kicker? I was right in front of my ex-wife's new condo. (Good thing I
    don't know what unit!)

    The point is that I've had tubes in the past that will hold air fine when
    fully inflated, but when unweight-loaded and after losing a little air, it
    all leaks out around the valve stem. (Small break in glue I guess --
    pressed tight by pressure but opens when reduced?)

    We have a common thread here. The tube on mine is also a Vittoria.
    --


    indeed. i had a spate of these with vittoria a while back too. they
    burst at the fold where the tubes are put on a rack after molding. i've
    always used michelin since and i've never had that kind of flat again.

  11. jim beam said:
    Artoi said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:

    Artoi wrote:
    > This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no
    > obvious cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was
    > two weeks ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked).
    > Within 10m, it suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this
    > morning, after resting against the wall overnight, it's again
    > totally flat. No puncture found again. In b/n time, the same
    > wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number of long rides without
    > problem. Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the
    > cause
    > may be.
    I got a flat the other day. Had a brand-new Vittoria spare with a
    faulty valve stem/tube interface -- AND my patch kit had melted. After
    struggling with it all for a good half hour, a good samaritan
    rode by and gave me a tube.

    The kicker? I was right in front of my ex-wife's new condo. (Good
    thing I don't know what unit!)

    The point is that I've had tubes in the past that will hold air
    fine when fully inflated, but when unweight-loaded and after losing
    a little air, it all leaks out around the valve stem. (Small break
    in glue I guess -- pressed tight by pressure but opens when
    reduced?)

    We have a common thread here. The tube on mine is also a Vittoria.
    --


    indeed. i had a spate of these with vittoria a while back too. they
    burst at the fold where the tubes are put on a rack after molding. i've
    always used michelin since and i've never had that kind of flat
    again.

    Hmm. Well in general my tubes with this sort of problem (a leak at the
    valve "sleeve" from not being glued properly) haven't /burst/ at all;
    they've just gone flat (or not held air at all).

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    jim beam said:
    Artoi said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:

    Artoi wrote:
    > This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    > cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks
    > ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    > suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    > against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    > again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a
    > number of long rides without problem.
    >
    > Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may
    > be.
    I got a flat the other day. Had a brand-new Vittoria spare with a faulty
    valve stem/tube interface -- AND my patch kit had melted. After
    struggling
    with it all for a good half hour, a good samaritan rode by and gave me a
    tube.

    The kicker? I was right in front of my ex-wife's new condo. (Good thing
    I
    don't know what unit!)

    The point is that I've had tubes in the past that will hold air fine when
    fully inflated, but when unweight-loaded and after losing a little air, it
    all leaks out around the valve stem. (Small break in glue I guess --
    pressed tight by pressure but opens when reduced?)

    We have a common thread here. The tube on mine is also a Vittoria.
    --


    indeed. i had a spate of these with vittoria a while back too. they
    burst at the fold where the tubes are put on a rack after molding. i've
    always used michelin since and i've never had that kind of flat again.

    But I don't think we are talking about a burst tube, rather some issue
    with the valve.
    --

  13. "Artoi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --

    I have seen this problem happen a number of times with Presta valves.
    Leave the little plastic dust cap off the valve.
    Don't bother screwing the little lock nut back in either.
    If the valve gets a tiny bit of crud inside it may not seat all the way, and
    when you put on the dust cap, it starts to leak.
    I quit bothering with the tiny lock nut too, leave it out, I had the small
    threaded valve shaft break off.
    I also have had the little nut screw off the end without turning the
    threaded shaft thus opening the valve. Now you are stuck as you can't put
    air in.
    Is the valve end bent? Sometimes this causes the valve to leak too.
    Of course like others mentioned tubes do go bad. I had one tube that would
    leak out after ten hours or so. I had to inflate the tube like a balloon to
    find the super slow leak. I was a lot of luck as even pumped up like a
    balloon I almost missed the slow leak. But as luck would have it the tiny
    hole was on a seam, and I was unable to get it to patch good.

  14. Artoi said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --

    My last mystery flat was just a well placed thorn. I didn't examine my
    tire well enough, thinking the kevlar belt would not let anything like
    that through. I pay a lot closer attention to my tires now and don't
    take the kevlar belt for granted.

  15. Earl Bollinger said:
    Quoted message said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no
    obvious cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was
    two weeks ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked).
    Within 10m, it suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this
    morning, after resting against the wall overnight, it's again
    totally flat. No puncture found again. In b/n time, the same
    wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number of long rides without
    problem.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause


    may be.

    Quoted message said:

    I have seen this problem happen a number of times with Presta
    valves. Leave the little plastic dust cap off the valve. Don't
    bother screwing the little lock nut back in either.

    This all sounds so much like the knurled lock nut causing valve stem
    separation from the tube, which is what this might be. There was a
    manufacturing period where stem attachment was incorrectly done.
    Masochists decided it was their own fault because they used the stem
    jam nut.

    As I pointed out, you can tighten the jam nut manually as tight as you
    can before inflation to 100psi and note that the nut is loose after
    inflation. That is how great the force of inflation is compared to
    finger tightening the nut that is there for the purpose of using a
    frame fit pump.

    Quoted message said:

    If the valve gets a tiny bit of crud inside it may not seat all the
    way, and when you put on the dust cap, it starts to leak. I quit
    bothering with the tiny lock nut too, leave it out, I had the small
    threaded valve shaft break off.

    Stems break because the pump force was aimed at the stem instead of
    the fist of the hand holding the pump on the valve stem. Don't hold
    the tire, hold the pump head.

    Quoted message said:

    I also have had the little nut screw off the end without turning the
    threaded shaft thus opening the valve. Now you are stuck as you
    can't put air in.

    Quoted message said:

    Is the valve end bent? Sometimes this causes the valve to leak too.
    Of course like others mentioned tubes do go bad.

    How so?

    Quoted message said:

    I had one tube that would leak out after ten hours or so. I had to
    inflate the tube like a balloon to find the super slow leak. I was
    a lot of luck as even pumped up like a balloon I almost missed the
    slow leak. But as luck would have it the tiny hole was on a seam,
    and I was unable to get it to patch good.

    Use a BIC shaver head (break off the handle so it will fit in the
    patch kit) and shave off the raised seam. You can't get rid of the
    seam with sand paper.

    Jobst Brandt

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Earl Bollinger said:

    "Artoi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.
    --

    I have seen this problem happen a number of times with Presta valves.
    Leave the little plastic dust cap off the valve.

    Why? Does this interfere with something? Doesn't the dust cap prevent
    the accumulation of crud referred to below?

    Quoted message said:

    Don't bother screwing the little lock nut back in either.

    Why? I thought the lock nut made sure the valve is seated tightly.

    Quoted message said:

    If the valve gets a tiny bit of crud inside it may not seat all the way, and
    when you put on the dust cap, it starts to leak.
    I quit bothering with the tiny lock nut too, leave it out, I had the small
    threaded valve shaft break off.
    I also have had the little nut screw off the end without turning the
    threaded shaft thus opening the valve. Now you are stuck as you can't put
    air in.
    Is the valve end bent? Sometimes this causes the valve to leak too.

    Not that I can see. But the valve on the one of my other wheel is indeed
    bent slightly. No problems there so far and fingers crossed.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course like others mentioned tubes do go bad. I had one tube that would
    leak out after ten hours or so. I had to inflate the tube like a balloon to
    find the super slow leak. I was a lot of luck as even pumped up like a
    balloon I almost missed the slow leak. But as luck would have it the tiny
    hole was on a seam, and I was unable to get it to patch good.

    Thanks all who has added suggestions and ideas. I've given up on being
    inquisitive after the wheel going flat again overnight. Spent 20mins and
    swapped in a new tube. Will blow the problem tube up and let it hang
    there and see what happens.
    --

  17. Quoted message said:
    Earl Bollinger said:
    Quoted message said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no
    obvious cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was
    two weeks ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked).
    Within 10m, it suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this
    morning, after resting against the wall overnight, it's again
    totally flat. No puncture found again. In b/n time, the same
    wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number of long rides without
    problem.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause


    may be.

    Quoted message said:

    I have seen this problem happen a number of times with Presta
    valves. Leave the little plastic dust cap off the valve. Don't
    bother screwing the little lock nut back in either.

    This all sounds so much like the knurled lock nut causing valve stem
    separation from the tube, which is what this might be. There was a
    manufacturing period where stem attachment was incorrectly done.
    Masochists decided it was their own fault because they used the stem
    jam nut.

    As I pointed out, you can tighten the jam nut manually as tight as you
    can before inflation to 100psi and note that the nut is loose after
    inflation. That is how great the force of inflation is compared to
    finger tightening the nut that is there for the purpose of using a
    frame fit pump.

    I pumped up my rear tire one morning (using floor pump), then, while
    screwing down the lock nut, heard a "ssssSSSSSS..." Quickly backed off
    the lock nut and it stopped leaking. Screwed it down a bit again just
    to verify: "sssssssss..." Backed it off, pumped tire and rode in to
    work.

    Later I noticed the rear tire going low. Rode to LBS, had new tube
    installed, and okay now.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If the valve gets a tiny bit of crud inside it may not seat all the
    way, and when you put on the dust cap, it starts to leak. I quit
    bothering with the tiny lock nut too, leave it out, I had the small
    threaded valve shaft break off.

    Stems break because the pump force was aimed at the stem instead of
    the fist of the hand holding the pump on the valve stem. Don't hold
    the tire, hold the pump head.

    I recently got a Topeak Morph pump (mini folding floor pump). I like
    it.

  18. Dan Overman said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no
    > obvious cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one
    > was two weeks ago just after leaving the front door (tyre
    > checked). Within 10m, it suddenly went flat and totally flat.
    > Then this morning, after resting against the wall overnight, it's
    > again totally flat. No puncture found again. In b/n time, the
    > same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number of long rides
    > without problem.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause
    > may be.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have seen this problem happen a number of times with Presta
    valves. Leave the little plastic dust cap off the valve. Don't
    bother screwing the little lock nut back in either.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This all sounds so much like the knurled lock nut causing valve
    stem separation from the tube, which is what this might be. There
    was a manufacturing period where stem attachment was incorrectly
    done. Masochists decided it was their own fault because they used
    the stem jam nut.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As I pointed out, you can tighten the jam nut manually as tight as
    you can before inflation to 100psi and note that the nut is loose
    after inflation. That is how great the force of inflation is
    compared to finger tightening the nut that is there for the purpose
    of using a frame fit pump.

    Quoted message said:

    I pumped up my rear tire one morning (using floor pump), then, while
    screwing down the lock nut, heard a "ssssSSSSSS..." Quickly backed
    off the lock nut and it stopped leaking. Screwed it down a bit
    again just to verify: "sssssssss..." Backed it off, pumped tire and
    rode in to work.

    Quoted message said:

    Later I noticed the rear tire going low. Rode to LBS, had new tube
    installed, and OK now.

    That is a classic case of stem separation, and it didn't occur from
    screwing the knurled jam nut down against the rim. That only exposed
    that the separation had occurred. The same effect is detectable when
    attaching a frame fit pump to the stem.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If the valve gets a tiny bit of crud inside it may not seat all
    the way, and when you put on the dust cap, it starts to leak. I
    quit bothering with the tiny lock nut too, leave it out, I had the
    small threaded valve shaft break off.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Stems break because the pump force was aimed at the stem instead of
    the fist of the hand holding the pump on the valve stem. Don't
    hold the tire, hold the pump head.

    Quoted message said:

    I recently got a Topeak Morph pump (mini folding floor pump). I
    like it.

    I don't volunteer to use my frame fit pump at home where I have a
    double acting floor pump.

    Jobst Brandt

  19. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Earl Bollinger said:
    Quoted message said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no
    obvious cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was
    two weeks ago just after leaving the front door (tyre checked).
    Within 10m, it suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this
    morning, after resting against the wall overnight, it's again
    totally flat. No puncture found again. In b/n time, the same
    wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number of long rides without
    problem.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause


    may be.

    Quoted message said:

    I have seen this problem happen a number of times with Presta
    valves. Leave the little plastic dust cap off the valve. Don't
    bother screwing the little lock nut back in either.

    This all sounds so much like the knurled lock nut causing valve stem
    separation from the tube, which is what this might be. There was a
    manufacturing period where stem attachment was incorrectly done.
    Masochists decided it was their own fault because they used the stem
    jam nut.

    As I pointed out, you can tighten the jam nut manually as tight as you
    can before inflation to 100psi and note that the nut is loose after
    inflation. That is how great the force of inflation is compared to
    finger tightening the nut that is there for the purpose of using a
    frame fit pump.

    Quoted message said:

    If the valve gets a tiny bit of crud inside it may not seat all the
    way, and when you put on the dust cap, it starts to leak. I quit
    bothering with the tiny lock nut too, leave it out, I had the small
    threaded valve shaft break off.

    Stems break because the pump force was aimed at the stem instead of
    the fist of the hand holding the pump on the valve stem. Don't hold
    the tire, hold the pump head.

    Quoted message said:

    I also have had the little nut screw off the end without turning the
    threaded shaft thus opening the valve. Now you are stuck as you
    can't put air in.

    Quoted message said:

    Is the valve end bent? Sometimes this causes the valve to leak too.
    Of course like others mentioned tubes do go bad.

    How so?

    Quoted message said:

    I had one tube that would leak out after ten hours or so. I had to
    inflate the tube like a balloon to find the super slow leak. I was
    a lot of luck as even pumped up like a balloon I almost missed the
    slow leak. But as luck would have it the tiny hole was on a seam,
    and I was unable to get it to patch good.

    Use a BIC shaver head (break off the handle so it will fit in the
    patch kit) and shave off the raised seam. You can't get rid of the
    seam with sand paper.

    Jobst Brandt

    My apologies, I was talking about the top of the valve, there is a little
    tiny threaded shaft with a oblong shaped thingie that i call a lock nut.
    The idea was to unscrew this to unlock the presta valve, and after pumping
    up the tire to screw it back down to lock the valve. if this little tiny
    lock nut thingie is not screwed down just right, and you then put on a
    plastic dust cap over it all, there could be enough bressure from the dusct
    cap to unseat the valve a little bit causing it to leak.
    But you are right about the larger threaded locknut on the valve though, I
    only use it to help get the tire pumped up to start after changing out a
    tire or tube or something.

  20. On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:17:38 GMT, Artoi <[email hidden]> may have

    Quoted message said:

    This has happened twice on my already, kind of weird. For no obvious
    cause, my rear tyre would flat totally. The first one was two weeks ago
    just after leaving the front door (tyre checked). Within 10m, it
    suddenly went flat and totally flat. Then this morning, after resting
    against the wall overnight, it's again totally flat. No puncture found
    again. In b/n time, the same wheel/tyre/tube has been on quite a number
    of long rides without problem.

    Anyone seen similar? I am totally perplexed as to what the cause may be.

    Inflate it, dash a little dishwashing detergent on the base of the
    valve stem, and then and wiggle the stem a bit. I suspect that you've
    got a stem flange failure; if so, the base will form bubbles when the
    stem is moved. That type of fault often results in the behavior that
    you are seeing, and it's essentially unrepairable; if it is what has
    happened, just replace the tube.

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