Which pedals?

Crank Brothers Quattros?
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Alternatively I have a spare set of cleat adaptors to convert the standard EB cleat for three bolt shoes....

Snuffy said:

Crank Brothers Quattros?
http://tinyurl.com/yleqmg

Alternatively I have a spare set of cleat adaptors to convert the
standard EB cleat for three bolt shoes....

Brilliant - thanks for pointing that out Snuffy. Last time I looked,
they were still 2-hole. Even on the Crank Bros home page, they talk
about "one day"...

Are these cleat adaptors a CB item too?

Donga

Donga said:

Which road pedals would you recommend, with a three-hole cleat?

I use SPD-SL, and I also ride with people who use the old and new
Look systems and SPD (even one girl still on SPD-R!) None of us have more
than occasional entry failures, so perhaps it's you :-)

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Donga said:

I need some opinions on pedals. I've been busy standardising my family
bikes onto Crank Bros pedals of various models. These are great pedals
and I liked the idea of being able to mix and match bikes and shoes.
However I've been stymied in the search for some road shoes for my son
- most of the shoes do not accept two-hole cleats - some do, but I
might need to change my pedal approach and stick with different types
for road and MTB.

My main query is about Keo pedals. I used to have Look types, but
abandoned these due to the frequent mis-entry, threatening testicular
integrity and the appearance of competence when taking off from a stop.
When I switched to Time Impacts, no more entry problems, but they don't
seem to make these pedals any more. If anyone out there is using Keos,
do they have the same mis-entry frequency as traditional Look types?

Which road pedals would you recommend, with a three-hole cleat?

Donga

I've had the chromoly keo's ($140 from pbk) for abt 12 months now and they are brilliant. At the time I looked into speedplays and time as well. Have previously used look and ultegra spd. The keo's are great. Never had the mis-entry issues with any pedals, including the old style looks. Sounds like you're probably a bit unco and should stick to platforms?? 😄

Donga said:

Brilliant - thanks for pointing that out Snuffy. Last time I looked,
they were still 2-hole. Even on the Crank Bros home page, they talk
about "one day"...

Are these cleat adaptors a CB item too?

Donga

Yes, they are CB.

you can get either an adaptor plate or an all-in-one Quattro-cleat-style arrangement that has the raised surround built in and fits to 3-hole shoes

flyingdutch said:

Yes, they are CB.

you can get either an adaptor plate or an all-in-one Quattro-cleat-style arrangement that has the raised surround built in and fits to 3-hole shoes

Dutchy lives!!?

monsterman said:

Never had the mis-entry issues with any pedals, including the old style
looks. Sounds like you're probably a bit unco and should stick to
platforms?? 😄

MM, if I was taking my time at the back with you ...
;-)

Donga

Thing to note that Bleve pointed out to me last week...

The Crank Brothers cleats have no side to side adjustment... so if you have Q factor issues, then maybe not so good....

Snuffy said:

Thing to note that Bleve pointed out to me last week...

The Crank Brothers cleats have no side to side adjustment... so if you have Q factor issues, then maybe not so good....

and other cleats do???
LOOKs don't. SPDLs dont. SPDs don't.

you can adjust 'angle' with any of them. but none of 'em have lateral movement...

CB have so much friggin float that side-side aint an issue ASFAIK???????????

flyingdutch said:

Snuffy said:

Thing to note that Bleve pointed out to me last week...

The Crank Brothers cleats have no side to side adjustment... so if you
have Q factor issues, then maybe not so good....

and other cleats do???

Yep. Or at least, the cleats that I saw at the time had no way to move
the cleat around around the Y axis. None that I could see anyway.

Quoted message said:

LOOKs don't. SPDLs dont. SPDs don't.

Looks do, SPD-SLs do, SPD's do.

Quoted message said:

you can adjust 'angle' with any of them. but none of 'em have lateral
movement...

Errr ... yes they do 🙂 They have lateral adjustment - which is not the
same thing as float or what you may be confusing this as inferring that
these pedals have lateral freeplay (which they don't), when we're
refering to lateral adjustment.

You can move SPD cleats around 5mm side to side, and an SPD-SL a bit
more, before you have to start either spacing out pedals with washers,
or using a file on the plastic body of the cleat.

Quoted message said:

CB have so much friggin float that side-side aint an issue
ASFAIK???????????

ASFAIK?

Donga said:

I need some opinions on pedals. I've been busy standardising my family
bikes onto Crank Bros pedals of various models. These are great pedals
and I liked the idea of being able to mix and match bikes and shoes.
However I've been stymied in the search for some road shoes for my son
- most of the shoes do not accept two-hole cleats - some do, but I
might need to change my pedal approach and stick with different types
for road and MTB.

My main query is about Keo pedals. I used to have Look types, but
abandoned these due to the frequent mis-entry, threatening testicular
integrity and the appearance of competence when taking off from a stop.
When I switched to Time Impacts, no more entry problems, but they don't
seem to make these pedals any more. If anyone out there is using Keos,
do they have the same mis-entry frequency as traditional Look types?

Which road pedals would you recommend, with a three-hole cleat?

I've got Keo carbons - they're fine. dunno about recommend as such.
they have never caused any probs after I switched from shimanos when
they WOULD NOT STOP CREAKING. Keos good but really, haven't noticed
them much (that's a good thing, I s'pose!).

flyingdutch said:

LOOKs don't. SPDLs dont. SPDs don't.

SPD-SLs certainly do. And the floating cleat has some lateral
freedom in the pedal, too.

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Finally did a decent, non-smokey ride with my new Quattros on the weekend. Out to Kinglake and back so it wasn't like I had to clip in/out a lot. None the less, it was enough to get to know the pedals...

Brief thoughts
- Double sided road pedals r0x0r. 🙂
- You don't get the satisfying CLICK that you get with Look/SPD-SLs. There's still a click, but it feels like... well... clipping in to an EB....
- The U-shape of the tread around the cleat works pretty well because it kinda channels the EB into the cleat. Unfortunately, being U-shaped, you can only roll the cleat in from the front. Didn't really find it an issue though....
- Pretty easy to walk around on the cleats - only a little bit skittish....

Hope that helps. (even though your decision seems based more around standardisation).

Snuffy said:

Finally did a decent, non-smokey ride with my new Quattros on the
weekend. Out to Kinglake and back so it wasn't like I had to clip
in/out a lot. None the less, it was enough to get to know the pedals...

Brief thoughts
- Double sided road pedals r0x0r. 🙂
- You don't get the satisfying CLICK that you get with Look/SPD-SLs.
There's still a click, but it feels like... well... clipping in to an
EB....
- The U-shape of the tread around the cleat works pretty well because
it kinda channels the EB into the cleat. Unfortunately, being U-shaped,
you can only roll the cleat in from the front. Didn't really find it an
issue though....
- Pretty easy to walk around on the cleats - only a little bit
skittish....

Hope that helps. (even though your decision seems based more around
standardisation).

--
Snuffy

I'm thinking not only standardisation, but also good pedals - easy to
get into and lots of float. I agree with FD that with that much float,
not being able to adjust Q factor by a couple of mm is no big deal.
The CB website says the Quattro cleats are only compatible with Quattro
pedals, but I can't see why they shouldn't work on EBs so I might just
give it a try.
Were you meaning to offer your spare plates for sale? I'm happy to buy
them off you if you don't need them. I'm in Bris so would need to do by
bank transfer and post. Say yep and give me a PM addy.

Donga

Donga said:

I'm thinking not only standardisation, but also good pedals - easy to
get into and lots of float. I agree with FD that with that much float,
not being able to adjust Q factor by a couple of mm is no big deal.
The CB website says the Quattro cleats are only compatible with Quattro
pedals, but I can't see why they shouldn't work on EBs so I might just
give it a try.

Standard EB cleats will certainly work with Quattros. If you want to
use MTB shoes with Quattors you'll probably find you need to do some
surgery on your shoe tread due to the larger bearings and narrower Q-factor

Parbs

Donga said:

I'm thinking not only standardisation, but also good pedals - easy to
get into and lots of float. I agree with FD that with that much float,
not being able to adjust Q factor by a couple of mm is no big deal.
The CB website says the Quattro cleats are only compatible with Quattro
pedals, but I can't see why they shouldn't work on EBs so I might just
give it a try.
Were you meaning to offer your spare plates for sale? I'm happy to buy
them off you if you don't need them. I'm in Bris so would need to do by
bank transfer and post. Say yep and give me a PM addy.

About "Easy to get into", all I'll say at this point is "They're not hard to get into". I'm not sure if that's a function of having used EBs before or because they're just easy to use. Although, I did notice on the weekend that when friends miss a clip in (on Looks and SPD-SLs), they look down and fiddle about flipping the pedal. Meanwhile I could just keep poking around with my foot until it clipped in. Once again - double sided r0x0rs 🙂

I see what you mean about the Crank Brother site. Just to clarify, I'm using the "3H" cleat, which (I just tested it again after reading your post) works fine on Quattros, Candys and EBs. My MTB shoes (with the SC cleat) worked on all the pedals too. I also have the "3A" (which yes, I'm selling, more on that later). On the CB website where it says "Compatibility quattro, and road cleats", I think the point is that the Quattro (QC) and Road Cleat (RC) cleats have some tread attached. A standard EB cleat fits on the 3A (I just tested this too), but I think your son will very quickly end up on his backside trying to walk on it. How do I know? I've tried walking on my 3H cleats without the tread plates attached. :-/

Anyway, if you still want to get the 3A adaptor plate that I have, drop me an e-mail at [email hidden] (removing the two SPAMs). Although Phantom Cycles didn't charge me much (it was actually a negative amount) for them, it might actually be worthwhile calling them to see how much to order through them....

Snuffy said:

Finally did a decent, non-smokey ride with my new Quattros on the
weekend. Out to Kinglake and back so it wasn't like I had to clip
in/out a lot. None the less, it was enough to get to know the pedals...

Brief thoughts
- Double sided road pedals r0x0r. 🙂
- You don't get the satisfying CLICK that you get with Look/SPD-SLs.
There's still a click, but it feels like... well... clipping in to an
EB....
- The U-shape of the tread around the cleat works pretty well because
it kinda channels the EB into the cleat. Unfortunately, being U-shaped,
you can only roll the cleat in from the front. Didn't really find it an
issue though....
- Pretty easy to walk around on the cleats - only a little bit
skittish....

Hope that helps. (even though your decision seems based more around
standardisation).

--
Snuffy

Thanks for the info so far, Snuffy and others. One more question - do
you find the Quattros an improvement over EBs? I've never had a hot
foot from EBs and am wondering what is the point of the platform? I've
got a pair of Candys that I gave to my son, as I preferred the clean
EB.

Donga

Donga said:

Thanks for the info so far, Snuffy and others. One more question - do
you find the Quattros an improvement over EBs? I've never had a hot
foot from EBs and am wondering what is the point of the platform? I've
got a pair of Candys that I gave to my son, as I preferred the clean
EB.

Donga

I have only ever used EB's since I don't notice the lack of a platform with them. The only plus FOR ME in having a platform like on the Quattros would be more stability on those occasional pedal strokes when you are not clipped in. In my MTB shoes this is no problem, but with road shoes (= slick surface) it is very tricky to turn the pedals if you need to.

Donga said:

Thanks for the info so far, Snuffy and others. One more question - do
you find the Quattros an improvement over EBs? I've never had a hot
foot from EBs and am wondering what is the point of the platform? I've
got a pair of Candys that I gave to my son, as I preferred the clean
EB.

Yeah, I prefer the look of the plain EB too. Using my touring shoes (flexible soles), I sometimes get sore feet if I have to stand and pound a lot. I don't seem to get this problem on my MTB or road shoes (neither of which have carbon soles).

However, my feet do feel a bit less stable on the plain EBs compared to the Candys and Quattros. Hard to describe, but I just seem to feel better connected with the platform. *shrugs*