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  1. Hey moosh, mister "low-carb weight loss is all water" guy.

    Looks like you are wrong again. Check out this study.

    quote: "At no time did the intake and loss of fluid and the balances calculated therefrom show
    significant differences."

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    Loss of weight, sodium and water in obese persons consuming a high- or low-carbohydrate diet.

    Rabast U, Vornberger KH, Ehl M.

    Isocaloric 5.61 mJ (1,340 kcal) formula diets involving the isocaloric exchange of fat and
    carbohydrate were fed to 21 obese persons selected for

    over three groups. The weight loss observed during the carbohydrate-restricted diets was
    significantly greater than during the high-carbohydrate diet. After 28 days of treatment the weight
    loss recorded on the high-carbohydrate diet was 9.5 +/- 0.7 kg, as compared to 11.4 +/- .7 kg (p
    less than 0.05) on the corn oil-containing diet and 12.5 +/- 0.9 kg (p less than 0.01) on the
    butter-fat-containing diet. The weight loss achieved was not dependent on the type of fat
    administered (saturated vs. polyunsaturated). When calculated cumulatively, sodium excretion during
    the first 7 days was significantly greater on the low-carbohydrate diet, whereas after 28 days the
    total amount of sodium excreted was highest on the high-carbohydrate diet. Potassium excretion
    during the low-carbohydrate diets was significantly greater for as long as 14 days, but at the end
    of the experimental period the observed differences no longer attained statistical significance. At
    no time did the intake and loss of fluid and the balances calculated therefrom show significant
    differences. From the findings obtained it appears that the alterations in the water and electrolyte
    balance observed during the low-carbohydrate diets are reversible phenomena and should thus not be
    regarded as causal agents of the different weight reduction.

  2. Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "moosh is back." Our champion De-Medicalizing
    in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey moosh, mister "low-carb weight loss is all water" guy.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    TC makes another joke calling Moosh Brain a guy. 🙁

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Yeah! She is probably more male than female at this point in her short life.

  3. "John 'the Man'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "moosh is back." Our champion
    De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey moosh, mister "low-carb weight loss is all water" guy.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    TC makes another joke calling Moosh Brain a guy. 🙁

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Yeah! She is probably more male than female at this point in her short life.

    Closer to eunuch. She has gone thru menopause, andropause, and thyroidpause:-)

    She is in a race with Johnny Gohde.....to the bottom and she is winning.

  4. On 21 Oct 2003 10:33:06 -0700, [email hidden] (tcomeau) posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Hey moosh, mister "low-carb weight loss is all water" guy.

    Reading problems noted.

    I have never said that. You denied that a very carb-restricted diet resulted in water loss. I
    pointed out your error.

    Quoted message said:

    Looks like you are wrong again. Check out this study.

    Where is that metabolic lab study to show that a hypercaloric diet can result in fat store loss that
    you claim?

    Quoted message said:

    quote: "At no time did the intake and loss of fluid and the balances calculated therefrom show
    significant differences."

    ********************************
    Loss of weight, sodium and water in obese persons consuming a high- or low-carbohydrate diet.

    Rabast U, Vornberger KH, Ehl M.

    Isocaloric 5.61 mJ (1,340 kcal) formula diets involving the isocaloric exchange of fat and
    carbohydrate were fed to 21 obese persons selected for

    Quoted message said:

    over three groups. The weight loss observed during the carbohydrate-restricted diets was
    significantly greater than during the high-carbohydrate diet. After 28 days of treatment the weight
    loss recorded on the high-carbohydrate diet was 9.5 +/- 0.7 kg, as compared to 11.4 +/- .7 kg (p
    less than 0.05) on the corn oil-containing diet and 12.5 +/- 0.9 kg (p less than 0.01) on the
    butter-fat-containing diet. The weight loss achieved was not dependent on the type of fat
    administered (saturated vs. polyunsaturated). When calculated cumulatively, sodium excretion during
    the first 7 days was significantly greater on the low-carbohydrate diet, whereas after 28 days the
    total amount of sodium excreted was highest on the high-carbohydrate diet. Potassium excretion
    during the low-carbohydrate diets was significantly greater for as long as 14 days, but at the end
    of the experimental period the observed differences no longer attained statistical significance. At
    no time did the intake and loss of fluid and the balances calculated therefrom show significant
    differences. From the findings obtained it appears that the alterations in the water and
    electrolyte balance observed during the low-carbohydrate diets are reversible phenomena and should
    thus not be regarded as causal agents of the different weight reduction.

    No attribution? Many details missing. What are the percentages of consituents in the diets? Note the
    different rates of water loss, even though the final result is the same, as expected. Show us the
    metabolic lab study to back your silly theories. BTW, what did the weight that was lost consist of?
    Was the metabolic water from the carbs taken into account?

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