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  1. I'm a modestly expert mountain biker, having ridden almost since there
    were mountain bikes. Now I'm not going to plunge down a cliff and my
    ballsyness diminishes with age, but if "lots" of others can ride
    something, I can too. Despite this experience, and despite living just
    200 miles north, I have only done a smattering of Moab's trails. I stick
    to my favorites because they're so fun.

    I took the new girlfriend down over the holiday and hoped to do some
    riding of my own while breaking her in. She's one of my spinning
    "students," not terribly strong but a consistent indoor rider,
    determined to get in great shape. Also quite the trooper!

    This was her first ride on an outdoor bike in decades.

    I was looking at Sovereign, because I haven't yet done it myself and it
    sounded pretty easy. But the dude at Slickrock Cycles said hmm, maybe
    Klondike would be better. Okay, I'd never done that one either. The bike
    he rented us was serviceable, but skipped despite her staying in the
    middle ring per the shop's suggestion. The front brake also rubbed a
    tiny bit.

    After she almost blew her breakfast (McDonald's is good enough for an
    old non-competitive hand like me, but she needed purer fare), I had her
    move the chain to the granny range. She managed nicely, although once
    you push against the puke threshold like she did your strength is
    brittle. She got a great workout, I just enjoyed riding hard every now
    and then, turning around several times to rejoin, encourage, advise,
    buss, etc.

    The trail is indeed a breeze, great for one's first mountain bike ride.
    It has enough deep sandy sections at the bottom to give you a taste of
    the "sand boat" technique: get on plane, stay on plane and you'll ride
    through it. The climb is long by newbie standards but gradual, mostly on
    slickrock. A couple mildly technical situations kept me interested. It's
    the kind of climb that one can "spin" up, or hammer and feel like Lance
    Armstrong. In the future, I'll use it as a warm-up or cool-down,
    something to kill an hour or two with.

    I suggest that 20 minutes is a theoretical best time to climb that
    trail, but just in theory. It took us three hours out-and-back.

    We reached the top, I rode up most of the short singletrack to the fence
    on the border of Arches National Park, she pushed much of it. Because
    I'm a nice guy, I agreed to walk into the park despite not having
    comfortable shoes. It was worth it: nice view, pretty slot canyon.

    Descending the singletrack, I was determined to ride the one real
    technical (steep, narrow, off-camber) section. I plunged into it, parked
    my front wheel on the only significant rock I could find, and endo'd.
    Picked up a little trail rash from something on the rear of my bike as I
    stumbled over the bars. I'm proud of myself for riding "hard" enough to
    actually fall. 🙂 I don't often do that.

    She LOVED the downhill, following my line most of the way. She said it
    was just like skiing, flowing with gravity. I reminded her to maintain
    concentration since a broken collarbone is always one mind wander away.
    She handled the bouncy suspension just fine, followed my advice to NEVER
    lock the front wheel, and emerged from her first mountain bike ride - in
    Moab! - tired & sweaty but unscathed, and psyched.

    Next time, we do Top of the World. 🙂

    --
    Lynn Wallace

    If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
    speaking German now.

  2. Show some pictures you [censored].

    Raptor said:

    I'm a modestly expert mountain biker, having ridden almost since there
    were mountain bikes. Now I'm not going to plunge down a cliff and my
    ballsyness diminishes with age, but if "lots" of others can ride
    something, I can too. Despite this experience, and despite living just
    200 miles north, I have only done a smattering of Moab's trails. I stick
    to my favorites because they're so fun.

    I took the new girlfriend down over the holiday and hoped to do some
    riding of my own while breaking her in. She's one of my spinning
    "students," not terribly strong but a consistent indoor rider,
    determined to get in great shape. Also quite the trooper!

    This was her first ride on an outdoor bike in decades.

    I was looking at Sovereign, because I haven't yet done it myself and it
    sounded pretty easy. But the dude at Slickrock Cycles said hmm, maybe
    Klondike would be better. Okay, I'd never done that one either. The bike
    he rented us was serviceable, but skipped despite her staying in the
    middle ring per the shop's suggestion. The front brake also rubbed a
    tiny bit.

    After she almost blew her breakfast (McDonald's is good enough for an
    old non-competitive hand like me, but she needed purer fare), I had her
    move the chain to the granny range. She managed nicely, although once
    you push against the puke threshold like she did your strength is
    brittle. She got a great workout, I just enjoyed riding hard every now
    and then, turning around several times to rejoin, encourage, advise,
    buss, etc.

    The trail is indeed a breeze, great for one's first mountain bike ride.
    It has enough deep sandy sections at the bottom to give you a taste of
    the "sand boat" technique: get on plane, stay on plane and you'll ride
    through it. The climb is long by newbie standards but gradual, mostly on
    slickrock. A couple mildly technical situations kept me interested. It's
    the kind of climb that one can "spin" up, or hammer and feel like Lance
    Armstrong. In the future, I'll use it as a warm-up or cool-down,
    something to kill an hour or two with.

    I suggest that 20 minutes is a theoretical best time to climb that
    trail, but just in theory. It took us three hours out-and-back.

    We reached the top, I rode up most of the short singletrack to the fence
    on the border of Arches National Park, she pushed much of it. Because
    I'm a nice guy, I agreed to walk into the park despite not having
    comfortable shoes. It was worth it: nice view, pretty slot canyon.

    Descending the singletrack, I was determined to ride the one real
    technical (steep, narrow, off-camber) section. I plunged into it, parked
    my front wheel on the only significant rock I could find, and endo'd.
    Picked up a little trail rash from something on the rear of my bike as I
    stumbled over the bars. I'm proud of myself for riding "hard" enough to
    actually fall. 🙂 I don't often do that.

    She LOVED the downhill, following my line most of the way. She said it
    was just like skiing, flowing with gravity. I reminded her to maintain
    concentration since a broken collarbone is always one mind wander away.
    She handled the bouncy suspension just fine, followed my advice to NEVER
    lock the front wheel, and emerged from her first mountain bike ride - in
    Moab! - tired & sweaty but unscathed, and psyched.

    Next time, we do Top of the World. 🙂

    --
    Lynn Wallace

    If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
    speaking German now.

  3. Raptor said:

    I'm a modestly expert mountain biker, having ridden almost since there
    were mountain bikes. Now I'm not going to plunge down a cliff and my
    ballsyness diminishes with age, but if "lots" of others can ride
    something, I can too. Despite this experience, and despite living just
    200 miles north, I have only done a smattering of Moab's trails. I stick
    to my favorites because they're so fun.

    I took the new girlfriend down over the holiday and hoped to do some
    riding of my own while breaking her in. She's one of my spinning
    "students," not terribly strong but a consistent indoor rider,
    determined to get in great shape. Also quite the trooper!

    She LOVED the downhill, following my line most of the way. She said it
    was just like skiing, flowing with gravity. I reminded her to maintain
    concentration since a broken collarbone is always one mind wander away.
    She handled the bouncy suspension just fine, followed my advice to NEVER
    lock the front wheel, and emerged from her first mountain bike ride - in
    Moab! - tired & sweaty but unscathed, and psyched.

    Next time, we do Top of the World. 🙂

    --
    Lynn Wallace

    Cool. I've found beginners on Amasaback, and they *were not* having
    fun... glad you found something she could ride and enjoy.

    CDB

  4. Raptor said:

    I'm a modestly expert mountain biker

    I'd like to put that notion to the test some day, spinnerboy.

    Quoted message said:

    I was looking at Sovereign, because I haven't yet done it myself and it
    sounded pretty easy. But the dude at Slickrock Cycles said hmm, maybe
    Klondike would be better.

    Klondike is a better newb ride. I've taken quite a few tour clients
    out there. I hope you paused to check out the dinosaur tracks.

    Quoted message said:

    Next time, we do Top of the World. 🙂

    You had better make her a climber first, or you'll go away with an
    ex-g/f.

    I have been riding with my g/f a lot lately and she's quite an
    exceptional climber already for her newness to the whole thing. We
    even got her first "mountain" ride in last weekend.

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=1652

    JD

  5. Exhaling Pleasure

    In my infancy of becoming a mountain biker, I would go as far to say
    that I will mature into a fine beauty (albeit looks) and ride with
    modest experts, or so I hope. As I believe one has to learn how to walk
    before she/he can run.

    Sporting my ever so SWEET embellished hot pink helmet, riding shoes,
    and cushy gloves I set out to accomplish a new experience, which I did.
    Feeling as if I were a speck of sand compared to the premature Goliath
    I was faced with, I am proud to admit that I impressed myself. Sure, I
    felt like exchanging a greasy breakfast for an empty stomach. Yet, I
    battled through it, never doubting my determination just as I have done
    with many challenges I have encountered; mentally, emotionally and
    physically.

    Ever so grateful for having patience, understanding, and kindness on my
    side, I learned that he is truly a gem. Previous experiences taught me
    intimidation, as a beginner, by arrogant, pompous, self proclaimed
    (quasi) experts. Needless to say, I often found myself retreating to
    the scared little girl I once was, trying to do something that was
    unfamiliar and foreign to me. Not defeated, rather inspired and [censored], I pulled up my bootstraps and challenged myself, cause it IS all
    about me.

    Whether I walked or ran, I got there, and had someone by my side
    encouraging me with selflessness, presence and unspoken word.

    I have learned to embrace every challenge and envelop myself with the
    pleasure of crossing the unseen finish line...whether obtained
    seasoned, or as a babe in whatever I do. So, if you end up seeing a
    girl walking, running, or simply a flash of pink out of the corner of
    your eye engaging in battle with a mound, mountain, or monster, think
    back.

    Its not about the finish, its all about the journey of getting there!

  6. Exhaling Pleasure

    In my infancy of becoming a mountain biker, I would go as far to say
    that I will mature into a fine beauty (albeit looks) and ride with
    modest experts, or so I hope. As I believe one has to learn how to walk
    before she/he can run.

    Sporting my ever so SWEET embellished hot pink helmet, riding shoes,
    and cushy gloves I set out to accomplish a new experience, which I did.
    Feeling as if I were a speck of sand compared to the premature Goliath
    I was faced with, I am proud to admit that I impressed myself. Sure, I
    felt like exchanging a greasy breakfast for an empty stomach. I battled
    through it, never doubting my determination just as I have done with
    many life challenges I have encountered; mentally, emotionally and
    physically.

    Ever so grateful for having patience, understanding, and kindness on my
    side, I learned that he is truly a gem. Previous experiences taught me
    intimidation as a beginner, by arrogant, pompous, self proclaimed
    (quasi) experts. Needless to say, I often found myself retreating to
    the scared little girl I once was, trying to do something that was
    unfamiliar and foreign to me. Not defeated, rather inspired, and [censored], I pulled up my bootstraps and challenged myself, cause it WAS/IS
    all about me.

    I have accustomed myself to embrace every challenge and envelop myself
    with the pleasure of crossing the unforeseeable finish line...whether
    obtained seasoned, or as a babe in whatever I do, while learning the
    substance of me. So, if you end up seeing a girl walking, running, or
    simply a flash of pink out of the corner of your eye engaging in battle
    with a mound, mountain, or monster, think back.

    Whether I walked or ran, I got there, and had someone by my side
    encouraging me with presence and unspoken word.

    Ohhh! How succulent that Cherry was......

  7. JD said:
    Raptor said:

    I'm a modestly expert mountain biker

    I'd like to put that notion to the test some day, spinnerboy.

    So would I. Hey, I did say "modest." It takes me more than two hours to
    do Slickrock, after all.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was looking at Sovereign, because I haven't yet done it myself and it
    sounded pretty easy. But the dude at Slickrock Cycles said hmm, maybe
    Klondike would be better.

    Klondike is a better newb ride. I've taken quite a few tour clients
    out there. I hope you paused to check out the dinosaur tracks.

    Yes, it was perfect, but we didn't know about the dinosaur tracks. Next
    time, if there is one.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Next time, we do Top of the World. 🙂

    You had better make her a climber first, or you'll go away with an
    ex-g/f.

    I have been riding with my g/f a lot lately and she's quite an
    exceptional climber already for her newness to the whole thing. We
    even got her first "mountain" ride in last weekend.

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=1652

    Cool. Mine will be a climber someday. Gotta get the power:weight ratio
    fixed on both sides first, but she's got the balls for it.

    --
    Lynn Wallace

    If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
    speaking German now.

  8. In my infancy of becoming a mountain biker, I would go as far to say
    that I will mature into a fine beauty (albeit looks) and ride with
    modest experts, or so I hope. As I believe one has to learn how to walk
    before she/he can run.

    Sporting my ever so SWEET embellished hot pink helmet, riding shoes,
    and cushy gloves I set out to accomplish a new experience, which I did.
    Feeling as if I were a speck of sand compared to the premature Goliath
    I was faced with, I am proud to admit that I impressed myself. Sure, I
    felt like exchanging a greasy breakfast for an empty stomach, or a
    delictable bowl of fruit and oatmeal. Yet, I battled through it, never
    doubting my determination just as I have done with many challenges I
    have encountered; mentally, emotionally and physically.

    Ever so grateful for having patience, understanding, and kindness on my
    side, I learned that he is truly a gem. Previous experiences taught me
    intimidation--as a beginner--by arrogant, pompous, self proclaimed
    (quasi) experts. Needless to say, I often found myself retreating to
    the scared little girl I once was, trying to do something that was
    unfamiliar and foreign to me. Not defeated, rather inspired and [censored], I pulled up my bootstraps and challenged myself, cause it WAS/IS
    all about me.

    Whether I walked or rode, I got there, and had someone by my side
    encouraging me with selflessness, presence and unspoken word.

    I have learned to embrace every challenge and envelop myself with the
    pleasure of crossing the unseen finish lines...whether obtained
    seasoned, or as a babe in whatever I do. So, if you end up seeing a
    girl walking, riding, or simply a flash of pink out of the corner of
    your eye engaging in battle with a mound, mountain, or monster, think
    back.

    Its not about the finish, its all about the journey of getting there!

    Ohhh! And, how succulent that Cherry was!

  9. On 28 Nov 2006 20:29:01 -0800, "black" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In my infancy of becoming a mountain biker, I would go as far to say
    that I will mature into a fine beauty (albeit looks) and ride with
    modest experts, or so I hope. As I believe one has to learn how to walk
    before she/he can run.

    Sporting my ever so SWEET embellished hot pink helmet, riding shoes,
    and cushy gloves I set out to accomplish a new experience, which I did.
    Feeling as if I were a speck of sand compared to the premature Goliath
    I was faced with, I am proud to admit that I impressed myself. Sure, I
    felt like exchanging a greasy breakfast for an empty stomach, or a
    delictable bowl of fruit and oatmeal. Yet, I battled through it, never
    doubting my determination just as I have done with many challenges I
    have encountered; mentally, emotionally and physically.

    Ever so grateful for having patience, understanding, and kindness on my
    side, I learned that he is truly a gem. Previous experiences taught me
    intimidation--as a beginner--by arrogant, pompous, self proclaimed
    (quasi) experts. Needless to say, I often found myself retreating to
    the scared little girl I once was, trying to do something that was
    unfamiliar and foreign to me. Not defeated, rather inspired and [censored]
    off, I pulled up my bootstraps and challenged myself, cause it WAS/IS
    all about me.

    Whether I walked or rode, I got there, and had someone by my side
    encouraging me with selflessness, presence and unspoken word.

    I have learned to embrace every challenge and envelop myself with the
    pleasure of crossing the unseen finish lines...whether obtained
    seasoned, or as a babe in whatever I do. So, if you end up seeing a
    girl walking, riding, or simply a flash of pink out of the corner of
    your eye engaging in battle with a mound, mountain, or monster, think
    back.

    Its not about the finish, its all about the journey of getting there!

    Ohhh! And, how succulent that Cherry was!

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right? You are sick.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  10. black said:

    Ohhh! And, how succulent that Cherry was!

    Nice story, free association, daydream, inspirational rant, whatever...
    🙂

    CDB

  11. Mike Vandeman said:

    On 28 Nov 2006 20:29:01 -0800, "black" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In my infancy of becoming a mountain biker, I would go as far to say
    that I will mature into a fine beauty (albeit looks) and ride with
    modest experts, or so I hope. As I believe one has to learn how to
    walk before she/he can run.

    Sporting my ever so SWEET embellished hot pink helmet, riding shoes,
    and cushy gloves I set out to accomplish a new experience, which I
    did. Feeling as if I were a speck of sand compared to the premature
    Goliath I was faced with, I am proud to admit that I impressed
    myself. Sure, I felt like exchanging a greasy breakfast for an empty
    stomach, or a delictable bowl of fruit and oatmeal. Yet, I battled
    through it, never doubting my determination just as I have done with
    many challenges I have encountered; mentally, emotionally and
    physically.

    Ever so grateful for having patience, understanding, and kindness on
    my side, I learned that he is truly a gem. Previous experiences
    taught me intimidation--as a beginner--by arrogant, pompous, self
    proclaimed (quasi) experts. Needless to say, I often found myself
    retreating to the scared little girl I once was, trying to do
    something that was unfamiliar and foreign to me. Not defeated,
    rather inspired and [censored], I pulled up my bootstraps and
    challenged myself, cause it WAS/IS all about me.

    Whether I walked or rode, I got there, and had someone by my side
    encouraging me with selflessness, presence and unspoken word.

    I have learned to embrace every challenge and envelop myself with the
    pleasure of crossing the unseen finish lines...whether obtained
    seasoned, or as a babe in whatever I do. So, if you end up seeing a
    girl walking, riding, or simply a flash of pink out of the corner of
    your eye engaging in battle with a mound, mountain, or monster, think
    back.

    Its not about the finish, its all about the journey of getting there!

    Ohhh! And, how succulent that Cherry was!

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right? You are sick.

    You forgot to ask what she's wearing.

    HTH, BS (just sayin'...)

  12. Bill Sornson said:
    Mike Vandeman said:

    On 28 Nov 2006 20:29:01 -0800, "black" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In my infancy of becoming a mountain biker, I would go as far to say
    that I will mature into a fine beauty (albeit looks) and ride with
    modest experts, or so I hope. As I believe one has to learn how to
    walk before she/he can run.

    Sporting my ever so SWEET embellished hot pink helmet, riding shoes,
    and cushy gloves I set out to accomplish a new experience, which I
    did. Feeling as if I were a speck of sand compared to the premature
    Goliath I was faced with, I am proud to admit that I impressed
    myself. Sure, I felt like exchanging a greasy breakfast for an empty
    stomach, or a delictable bowl of fruit and oatmeal. Yet, I battled
    through it, never doubting my determination just as I have done with
    many challenges I have encountered; mentally, emotionally and
    physically.

    Ever so grateful for having patience, understanding, and kindness on
    my side, I learned that he is truly a gem. Previous experiences
    taught me intimidation--as a beginner--by arrogant, pompous, self
    proclaimed (quasi) experts. Needless to say, I often found myself
    retreating to the scared little girl I once was, trying to do
    something that was unfamiliar and foreign to me. Not defeated,
    rather inspired and [censored], I pulled up my bootstraps and
    challenged myself, cause it WAS/IS all about me.

    Whether I walked or rode, I got there, and had someone by my side
    encouraging me with selflessness, presence and unspoken word.

    I have learned to embrace every challenge and envelop myself with the
    pleasure of crossing the unseen finish lines...whether obtained
    seasoned, or as a babe in whatever I do. So, if you end up seeing a
    girl walking, riding, or simply a flash of pink out of the corner of
    your eye engaging in battle with a mound, mountain, or monster, think
    back.

    Its not about the finish, its all about the journey of getting there!

    Ohhh! And, how succulent that Cherry was!

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right? You are sick.

    You forgot to ask what she's wearing.

    Well, at least we know where YOUR mind is.

    Quoted message said:

    HTH, BS (just sayin'...)


    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  13. Quoted message said:

    You are sick.

    As a matter of fact, YES. I think I am coming down with a cold.

    Quoted message said:

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right?
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉.

    Again, YES. Just as your selfish pleasure of working to create a
    wildlife habitat that is off limits to humans. If it is off limits to
    humans, may I ask why are you there? Moreover, who made you the
    ecological/wildlife habitat police, that you feel a need to police the
    internet to make snide comments? Interesting that you sit here and read
    posts and reply, only to rant as well.

    Quoted message said:

    (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    And, as for the auto-dependence, I didn't mountain bike up a hill in my
    car...on a two lane highway, right?

  14. black wrote:
    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Ohhh! And, how succulent that Cherry was!

    Simply wonderful.

    CC

  15. black said:
    Quoted message said:

    You are sick.

    As a matter of fact, YES. I think I am coming down with a cold.

    Quoted message said:

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right?
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉.

    Again, YES. Just as your selfish pleasure of working to create a
    wildlife habitat that is off limits to humans. If it is off limits to
    humans, may I ask why are you there? Moreover, who made you the
    ecological/wildlife habitat police, that you feel a need to police the
    internet to make snide comments? Interesting that you sit here and read
    posts and reply, only to rant as well.

    Quoted message said:

    (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    And, as for the auto-dependence, I didn't mountain bike up a hill in my
    car...on a two lane highway, right?

    Ummm, ignore that person. He's been posting more inane pap than the
    frightpig for several years now and is almost as psychotic.

    JD

  16. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    black said:
    Quoted message said:

    You are sick.

    As a matter of fact, YES. I think I am coming down with a cold.

    Quoted message said:

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right?
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans


    ("pure habitat"😉.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Again, YES. Just as your selfish pleasure of working to create a
    wildlife habitat that is off limits to humans. If it is off limits to
    humans, may I ask why are you there? Moreover, who made you the
    ecological/wildlife habitat police, that you feel a need to police the
    internet to make snide comments? Interesting that you sit here and read
    posts and reply, only to rant as well.

    Quoted message said:

    (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road


    construction.)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    And, as for the auto-dependence, I didn't mountain bike up a hill in my
    car...on a two lane highway, right?

    Ummm, ignore that person. He's been posting more inane pap than the
    frightpig for several years now and is almost as psychotic.

    Yeah, it's fun to play with the trolls every once in awhile but it's boring
    as hell when people make habits out of it.

    Greg

  17. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    black said:
    Quoted message said:

    You are sick.

    As a matter of fact, YES. I think I am coming down with a cold.

    Quoted message said:

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right?
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
    ("pure habitat"😉.

    Again, YES. Just as your selfish pleasure of working to create a
    wildlife habitat that is off limits to humans. If it is off limits to
    humans, may I ask why are you there? Moreover, who made you the
    ecological/wildlife habitat police, that you feel a need to police the
    internet to make snide comments? Interesting that you sit here and read
    posts and reply, only to rant as well.

    Quoted message said:

    (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
    construction.)

    And, as for the auto-dependence, I didn't mountain bike up a hill in my
    car...on a two lane highway, right?

    Ummm, ignore that person. He's been posting more inane pap than the
    frightpig for several years now and is almost as psychotic.

    JD

    coming from you that is indde high praise.....too bad no one really cares
    about your opinion

  18. "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    black said:

    >You are sick.

    As a matter of fact, YES. I think I am coming down with a cold.

    > And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right?
    > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    > humans


    ("pure habitat"😉.

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    Again, YES. Just as your selfish pleasure of working to create a
    wildlife habitat that is off limits to humans. If it is off limits to
    humans, may I ask why are you there? Moreover, who made you the
    ecological/wildlife habitat police, that you feel a need to police the
    internet to make snide comments? Interesting that you sit here and read
    posts and reply, only to rant as well.

    >(I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road


    construction.)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    And, as for the auto-dependence, I didn't mountain bike up a hill in my
    car...on a two lane highway, right?

    Ummm, ignore that person. He's been posting more inane pap than the
    frightpig for several years now and is almost as psychotic.

    Yeah, it's fun to play with the trolls every once in awhile but it's
    boring
    as hell when people make habits out of it.

    Greg

    yep, that's whay I like pulling his chain...cuz it seems to me he's the
    biggest troll in the batch....

    now kindly remove your nose from his anus would you...it doesnt become you!

  19. Dave W said:

    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Ummm, ignore that person. He's been posting more inane pap than the
    frightpig for several years now and is almost as psychotic.

    JD

    coming from you that is indde high praise.....too bad no one really cares
    about your opinion

    And here we have, folks, a textbook example of "projection."

    TYVM.

    E.P.

  20. On 29 Nov 2006 13:30:39 -0800, "black" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You are sick.

    As a matter of fact, YES. I think I am coming down with a cold.

    Quoted message said:

    And your selfish pleasures are all that matters, right?
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉.

    Again, YES. Just as your selfish pleasure of working to create a
    wildlife habitat that is off limits to humans.

    Protecting wildlife is the OPPOSITE of selfishness. Another name for
    it is "compassion".

    If it is off limits to

    Quoted message said:

    humans, may I ask why are you there?

    I'm not.

    Moreover, who made you the

    Quoted message said:

    ecological/wildlife habitat police,

    SOMEBODY needs to do it, since mountain bikers won't. All they care
    about is their own selfish pleasures.

    that you feel a need to police the

    Quoted message said:

    internet to make snide comments? Interesting that you sit here and read
    posts and reply, only to rant as well.

    Quoted message said:

    (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    And, as for the auto-dependence, I didn't mountain bike up a hill in my
    car...on a two lane highway, right?


    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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