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  1. As most of you know, I am upgrading my lex DX32 rim/ DX hub setup by
    replacing the DX hub and cranks with KH hub and cranks.

    I totally forgot that the DX32 rim was a 48 hole rim. I was thinking it
    was a 36 hole rim.:o

    I know it is possible to lace a 48 hole rim to a 36 hole hub.

    But a few questions about it.

    How will this affect the strength of my wheel?

    Ive done searches on this a few mins ago, and found threads about it,
    but they ended up going into a different topic or not answer what I
    needed, so Ill ask it here.

    How exactly do you lace a 48 hole rim to a 36 hole hub?

    Link and picture would be nice. =p

    The 36 to 36 and 48 to 48 I had the guides and stuff ready, but I cant
    find one for a 48 to a 36.

    I'm going to bed now, so i'm looking forward to everyone's help and
    advice.

    IF anything I may buy a new hub, but I really don't want to cause I
    painted my Alex DX32 rim a nice blue to match with the KH hub, and
    don't want to waste a perfectly painted rim.

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  2. Oops, ment to say I may buy a new rim if I have to, not a new hub. lol

    The VIZ 36 hole one look good. =p

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  3. Jerrick said:


    The VIZ 36 hole one look good. =p

    i am liking mine

    a lot

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    haha i just thaught it was funny the title is "3th movie"

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    oo give him and intising lap dance while he rubs pasteries all over you

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    It just depend if you are gay or not...

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  4. iridemymuni said:

    i am liking mine

    a lot

    I heard they are very good. =p

    I am e-mail Tim to see if he has any in stock. lol.

    Im gonna keep looking for the 48rim to 36hub lacing pattern tomorrow. I
    hope I find one.

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  5. Jerrick i would help you if i could. I truely would.
    See where are these famed 'better than Jerrick' helpers now?

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  6. tobbogonist said:

    See where are these famed 'better than Jerrick' helpers now?

    they are currently helping NASA doing some rocket
    science stuff. :p heh

    probably asleep

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    munipsycho said:

    Just a bit of advice: never vomit while wearing a full-face helmet.

    irvinegr said:

    haha i just thaught it was funny the title is "3th movie"

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    It just depend if you are gay or not...

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  7. I'm heading off to school now but I know http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
    has exactly what you are looking for. The complete explanation of how
    to do it. It sounded really complicated but they did figure out a way
    to build a wheel properly with mismatched hole counts. I think they
    even made it equaly strong but I might be wrong on that one.

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  8. email bedford. I think he has done a 48 spoke hub to a 36 rim so he
    might know

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  9. Found it, http://www.sheldonbrown.com/mismatch/index.htm

    That should let you know everything there is about building mismatched
    wheels.

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  10. Thanks. =p

    I was on that site before I went to bed but must of missed seeing the
    mismatched section. :o

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  11. I'm not certain, but I would think that lacing a 36 hole hub to a 48
    hole rim would create lots of problems. In all of the mismatched
    lacings on Sheldon's site, the hub has more holes than the rim, which
    allows you to use every hole on the rim to keep it strong. But if the
    hub is the limiting factor, then you'll have empty spaces on your rim.
    I'm no engineer (yet), but I think that would be a huge problem
    strengthwise.

    *EDIT*
    Another thought occured to me. To keep all of the spokes evenly spaced
    around the wheel (which I assume would make it stronger) you would need
    to skip every fourth hole on the rim, but every fourth hole on the Alex
    DX rim is offset to the same side. Good luck. 🙂 My advice would be
    to look 'here' (http://tinyurl.com/yc2sys).

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  12. I would like to not have to buy a new rim though. If I have to, it will
    be a VIZ rim, which I may have to order from Honk Kong. lol

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  13. Yes, it's possible, but as said earlier, some holes would have to be
    skipped, meaning that the overall tension of the wheel would be "off"
    on some parts of the wheel. it would be a uniform "off", but "off"
    none the less. One of the most important factors of a strong wheel is
    uniform spoke tension(and uni wheels are tensioned tighter than a
    standard bicycle wheel, which adds to the mix), and I'm afraid that
    lacing a 36h hub to a 48h rim would be a compromise...and lets face it,
    you want a bad-ass wheel, not a so-so wheel. Return the 48h rim if you
    can, if not put it on the trading board and put the $ towards a nice
    strong 36h rim. I think in the long run, you'll be happy you did. By
    the way, Sheldon is a very approachable guy...and he loves giving
    answers to odd-ball questions. I'd bet "lacing a 36h hub to a 48h rim
    on a unicycle" question would make his day. Send him an email, but I'm
    guessing he may tell you the same thing I did.

    Best of luck!🙂

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  14. Thanks Guster. =p

    Actually, just a few mins ago, me and him were talking about lacing the
    hub, and he mentioned what you said.

    Because of the lengths of spokes I would have to buy, the weird
    pattern, the strength not being high enough, I am gonna buy the
    Anodized blue VIZ rim.

    36 eyelets, drilled to save weight, 46mm wide, a nice blue color, then
    I will buy blue VIZ nipples and probably get DT spokes from my bike
    shop. Do a nice 3-cross pattern and end up with a beautiful blue trials
    wheelset.

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  15. personally I think you should get the VHI rim instead. its a bit wider
    than the VIZ and it doesnt have the brake line.

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  16. ZHI Rims are 32 holed, and 38 or 48mm wide. Thats only 2mm wider than
    the VIZ.

    I also wouldnt want to do a 32rim to a 36hub lacing.

    Not worth the 60 dollars+shipping for it.

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  17. Whenever considering a spoking job you need to realize *only half of
    your spokes are helping to pull your unicycle forward*--while the other
    half are actually sabotaging your effort by pulling BACKWARDS!!!

    The result is, with old fashioned wheels, you actually get NO BENEFIT
    WHATSOEVER from your spokes, since the pull of the pulling spokes is
    cancelled out by the backward pull on the static spokes!

    Check out Sheldon Brown's new spoking system at
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  18. Sounds like a plan! You mentioned blue Viz nipples...which means they
    are anodized, which means they are aluminum, right? I'm sure they are
    strong, but you are dealing w/ a uni wheel at a higher tension than a
    trials bikes wheels. I had a set of 48's on my street bike a while ago
    that a friend built up. Good wheelbuilder....he built my mtb's front
    wheel and it's unstoppable. He advised me against aluminum nipples on
    the 48's, but I wouldn't listen(ever seen green nipples on a black rim?
    It looks sweet...I couldn't help myself). I paid the price...those
    nipples always stripped, and I'd have to pull the tire off to replace
    them(pain in the ass just to look good).

    BRASS NIPPLES...trust me on this one.

    Good luck!

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  19. Brass it is then. I can sacrifice cosmetics easily for strength. =p

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  20. Woah! POWerwheels!!!

    Ive only seen these in my dreams, never thought they actually
    existed!!

    I'll have to start robbing graves to get the 3000 dollars, but its
    worth it!

    🙄

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