Pound = Rumsfeld

On 16 Nov 2006 13:50:32 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone notice the both bluster and attack everyone who questions them?
Both are presiding over a major setback at best, both seem to be
protecting corrupt administrations, but at least the US has finally
gotten rid of scumsfeld.
When's the sporting world gonna be as smart as GWB?
Bill C

Pound is strange. A few years ago he was not at all agressive in
pursuing dopers. After the Salt Lake City Olympics, some journalists
asked the bronze medallist in the women's pursuit, who is outspoken
about fighting doping, if she thought the two people ahead of her in
that event were clean and she said something like "Not really." Pound
went ballistic, calling Scott's remarks irresponsible and pointing out
that those athletes had been tested.

Interestingly, over the course of the following year or two those two
athletes lost their medals due to doping and Scott eventually got the
gold (I think she's the only athlete to win bronze, silver and gold in
the same event).

Now instead of being sloppy and weak, Pound is reckless to try to look
strong.
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Bill C said:

Anyone notice the both bluster and attack everyone who questions them?
Both are presiding over a major setback at best, both seem to be
protecting corrupt administrations,

dumbass,

the two situations are not alike.

cycling is like the alcoholic, womanizing party-guy who's been dating a
woman who's a suspicous control-freak and marries her because of
pressure from parents even though he knows what she's like. eventually
he comes home smelling like booze and warm vagina and she's flipping
out, and he's like "wtf?", but what did you expect buddy ?

even though pound shoots his mouth off and a lot of improper things
have happened, the cycling bosses made the choice to sign on to WADA.
either were oblivious to the doping that was routine in euro-pro
cycling or they figured the dirty riders would somehow avoid scrutiny.

you can try to argue away one case or another (floyd, puerto, hondo,
hamilton), but there's dozens pending. these aren't all plots by pound
to justify the existence of WADA (which is what you seem to be
implying).

RonSonic said:

Rumsfield is vastly more competent than Pound.

What evidence is there of this?

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I don't think there is another practical option for the bosses to have
chosen. Even though you can see problems, until others do and buy-in for
change there is little you can do unless you just want to quit, exit the
system and find another profession. The trick is to work with the system to
change it, being prepared for when change occurs and then to capitalize on
it when it happens.

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Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

Anyone notice the both bluster and attack everyone who questions them?
Both are presiding over a major setback at best, both seem to be
protecting corrupt administrations,

dumbass,

the two situations are not alike.

cycling is like the alcoholic, womanizing party-guy who's been dating a
woman who's a suspicous control-freak and marries her because of
pressure from parents even though he knows what she's like. eventually
he comes home smelling like booze and warm vagina and she's flipping
out, and he's like "wtf?", but what did you expect buddy ?

even though pound shoots his mouth off and a lot of improper things
have happened, the cycling bosses made the choice to sign on to WADA.
either were oblivious to the doping that was routine in euro-pro
cycling or they figured the dirty riders would somehow avoid scrutiny.

you can try to argue away one case or another (floyd, puerto, hondo,
hamilton), but there's dozens pending. these aren't all plots by pound
to justify the existence of WADA (which is what you seem to be
implying).

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Quoted message said:

RonSonic said:

Rumsfield is vastly more competent than Pound.

What evidence is there of this?

He successfully ran a drug company.

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Michael Press

RonSonic said:

We've got one guy in charge of a department of the US government and literally
millions of employees with opposition from literally every evil [censored] on earth

Is this evil [censored] related to fat [censored] and does he post to rbr ? Come
to think of it fat [censored] is Scottish and we do have a Scottish poster......

in 530677 20061117 072629 Donald Munro said:

RonSonic said:

We've got one guy in charge of a department of the US government and literally
millions of employees with opposition from literally every evil [censored] on earth

Is this evil [censored] related to fat [censored] and does he post to rbr ? Come
to think of it fat [censored] is Scottish and we do have a Scottish poster......

Is that Bliar's heavyweight successor?

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

Is this evil [censored] related to fat [censored] and does he post to rbr ? Come
to think of it fat [censored] is Scottish and we do have a Scottish poster......

Bob Martin said:

Is that Bliar's heavyweight successor?

I suspect the chancellor still has a way to go to get to this BMI:
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800018678/photo/436122

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Bill C said:

Anyone notice the both bluster and attack everyone who questions them?
Both are presiding over a major setback at best, both seem to be
protecting corrupt administrations, but at least the US has finally
gotten rid of scumsfeld.

Quoted message said:

When's the sporting world gonna be as smart as GWB?

You mean as smart as GWB's Dad's friends.

KP

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

RonSonic said:

Rumsfield is vastly more competent than Pound.

What evidence is there of this?

Dumbass -

I made that case and you snipped it.

Consulting the Peters Principle - that in any heirarchical organization
personnel will rise to the level of their incompetence - we see that both men
have pretty well pegged their respective personal achievement meters. Nobody's
giving either of them a promotion. So let's look at their most recent positions:
Rumsfield had employees who could successfully invade any country that Pound's
employees could mislabel a urine cup in.

Advantage Rummy

Ron

RonSonic said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

RonSonic said:

Rumsfield is vastly more competent than Pound.

What evidence is there of this?

Dumbass -

I made that case and you snipped it.

You wrote:
" I'm sure you don't think either has done his job well, but consider
the level of difficulty. We've got one guy in charge of a department
of the US government and literally millions of employees with
opposition from literally every evil [censored] on earth as well as a lot
of perfectly legitimate loyal opposition, versus what? A second tier
minion of a branch of the corrupt IOC."

That's the case?

Quoted message said:

Consulting the Peters Principle - that in any heirarchical organization
personnel will rise to the level of their incompetence -

So you're saying that Rumsfeld is competent because he made it to
become Secretary of Defense? That begs the question of competent at
what? At being a toady who talks a good game? Of being good at
politics?

Quoted message said:

So let's look at their most recent positions:
Rumsfield had employees who could successfully invade any country that Pound's
employees could mislabel a urine cup in.

You could surely say Rumsfeld was more powerful than Pound, but this
doesn't say much about his competence.

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On 16 Nov 2006 13:50:32 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone notice the both bluster and attack everyone who questions them?
Both are presiding over a major setback at best, both seem to be
protecting corrupt administrations, but at least the US has finally
gotten rid of scumsfeld.
When's the sporting world gonna be as smart as GWB?
Bill C

Pound is strange. A few years ago he was not at all agressive in
pursuing dopers. After the Salt Lake City Olympics, some journalists
asked the bronze medallist in the women's pursuit, who is outspoken
about fighting doping, if she thought the two people ahead of her in
that event were clean and she said something like "Not really." Pound
went ballistic, calling Scott's remarks irresponsible and pointing out
that those athletes had been tested.

Interestingly, over the course of the following year or two those two
athletes lost their medals due to doping and Scott eventually got the
gold (I think she's the only athlete to win bronze, silver and gold in
the same event).

Now instead of being sloppy and weak, Pound is reckless to try to look
strong.

Give me a specific example fo when Pound was reckless?

Magilla

Okay, so you don't like Pound. I'm sure [censored] has some regard for human
life, unlike Don "A day without war is a day without sunshine" Rumsfeld.

But anyways....
I don't follow this topic as much as many of you, but I that won't stop me
from chipping in. How often is Pound actually correct or close to being
correct on the issues he spouts off on? Disregarding his style, ego, etc,
I get the feeling that he is closer to the truth than anyone else. I'll go
a step further and propose that he is one of the few that actually is
trying to uncover cheats, whatever his motivation is. Did you ever hear
about his accusation of doping in the NHL without any proof? Pound was
vilified in Canada for that. But you know what, he is probably close to
the truth. Dumbasses like Don Cherry insist good Canadian kids wouldn't
dope. uh-huh. There's hundreds of 18 year olds whose whole life is hockey,
maybe are too dumb to do anything else and they need to be stronger and
faster to get into the NHL. nah, they wouldn't dope.

Consider cycling. It's run by former cheats (ie former cyclists) and they
say they're trying to catch the cheats.

Pound reminds me of referees in professional sports. Everyone complains
about them and says what a [censored] job they do. At least they're doing it.
We have to put up with it until a better one comes along.

MagillaGorilla said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On 16 Nov 2006 13:50:32 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anyone notice the both bluster and attack everyone who questions them?
Both are presiding over a major setback at best, both seem to be
protecting corrupt administrations, but at least the US has finally
gotten rid of scumsfeld.
When's the sporting world gonna be as smart as GWB?
Bill C

Pound is strange. A few years ago he was not at all agressive in
pursuing dopers. After the Salt Lake City Olympics, some journalists
asked the bronze medallist in the women's pursuit, who is outspoken
about fighting doping, if she thought the two people ahead of her in
that event were clean and she said something like "Not really." Pound
went ballistic, calling Scott's remarks irresponsible and pointing out
that those athletes had been tested.

Interestingly, over the course of the following year or two those two
athletes lost their medals due to doping and Scott eventually got the
gold (I think she's the only athlete to win bronze, silver and gold in
the same event).

Now instead of being sloppy and weak, Pound is reckless to try to look
strong.

Give me a specific example fo when Pound was reckless?

Denouncing Landis before Landis's B sample was tested.

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in 530688 20061117 151005 RonSonic said:

Rumsfield had employees who could successfully invade any country that Pound's
employees could mislabel a urine cup in.

Please remind me : what was the last country his employees successfully invaded ?

Chris said:

I don't think there is another practical option for the bosses to have
chosen.

<snip>

Dumbass -

In the US, Major League Baseball, the National Football League and the
National Basketball Association all test for drugs and none of them are
under the umbrella of WADA.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Bob Martin said:

in 530688 20061117 151005 RonSonic said:

Rumsfield had employees who could successfully invade any country that Pound's
employees could mislabel a urine cup in.

Please remind me : what was the last country his employees successfully invaded ?

Uh, Iraq. Remember, it was in the news.

They have failed to take complete control of the country in the tyranical manner
to which it has been long accustomed but that's a question of politics not
maneuver.

Gotta admit, the whole, invade and conquer thing, they've got that down pretty
good.

Ron

Bob Martin said:

Quoted message said:

Please remind me : what was the last country his employees successfully invaded ?

RonSonic said:

Uh, Iraq. Remember, it was in the news.

Depends on how you define conquer.