Visit to A & E ...

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Paul - censored said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Been riding, commuting, for a few weeks now and had only a few notable
incidents at all, and no injuries until today.

I'm riding along, same speed as traffic, if not mostly faster, when I see
another cyclist, full-on LOUD Lycra clad 'racer', approaching 'my' road from
a road on the left. No worries, thought I, I have right of way, he has a
'Give Way' and he's joining into a flow of traffic already on a main street
from a side street, classic Tee-Junction, so I concentrate more on the
traffic already in the stream and only keep a weather-eye on him.

BIG mistake ... Bugger didn't look, rode straight out and into me ... I'm
already desperately taking avoiding action, too late realising he's
continuing regardless, but there's cars to my right and a motorbike behind
me. I realise I could totally have avoided the situation, but had enough to
contend with avoiding cars and bikes on my route than doing the riding for
some doddery old git joining a stream of traffic as well and seriously
didn't expect him to not even slow down, let alone 'give way' to traffic..

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case' as I
felt a bit woozy and shaken. My bike has a Taco'd front wheel. He reckons
he saw me but thought I was going much slower, so he concentrated on 'his
line ...' thinking he'd be round the corner well before me He's agreed to
pay for straightening or replacing the wheel. his bike was fine.

Ended up pretty amicable really, but we'll see what happens if I see him
next week ... 😉

Ah well, as I said earlier, couldn't last but could have been much worse.

A salutary lesson in how to recognise the enemy.
Hopefully he now realises that vehicular cycling doesn't mean "act like
a dopey car driver".

Paul - [censored] wrote on 04/11/2006 14:02 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Been riding, commuting, for a few weeks now and had only a few notable
incidents at all, and no injuries until today.

I'm riding along, same speed as traffic, if not mostly faster, when I
see another cyclist, full-on LOUD Lycra clad 'racer', approaching 'my'
road from a road on the left. No worries, thought I, I have right of
way, he has a 'Give Way' and he's joining into a flow of traffic already
on a main street from a side street, classic Tee-Junction, so I
concentrate more on the traffic already in the stream and only keep a
weather-eye on him.

BIG mistake ... Bugger didn't look, rode straight out and into me ...
I'm already desperately taking avoiding action, too late realising he's
continuing regardless, but there's cars to my right and a motorbike
behind me. I realise I could totally have avoided the situation, but
had enough to contend with avoiding cars and bikes on my route than
doing the riding for some doddery old git joining a stream of traffic as
well and seriously didn't expect him to not even slow down, let alone
'give way' to traffic..

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case'
as I felt a bit woozy and shaken. My bike has a Taco'd front wheel. He
reckons he saw me but thought I was going much slower, so he
concentrated on 'his line ...' thinking he'd be round the corner well
before me He's agreed to pay for straightening or replacing the wheel.
his bike was fine.

Ended up pretty amicable really, but we'll see what happens if I see him
next week ... 😉

Ah well, as I said earlier, couldn't last but could have been much worse.

Glad you are OK and his wrist will keep him off the bike for a while.
There are good cyclists and [censored] cyclists and it looks like you found
one of the latter. It does show though how much less damage a cyclist
does than if he had been a car.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

"Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Quoted message said:

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case' as
I felt a bit woozy and shaken. My bike has a Taco'd front wheel. He
reckons he saw me but thought I was going much slower, so he concentrated
on 'his line ...' thinking he'd be round the corner well before me He's
agreed to pay for straightening or replacing the wheel. his bike was fine.

Glad you're not badly injured Paul. Good job he wasn't in a car though.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

Reiterating what the others have said - glad you weren't seriously hurt.
Glad it wasn't a car. It also goes to show you get numpties on all forms of
transport!

I've recently added motorcycling to my other transportation methods,
(car, winter hack, MTB [for welsh mountains - hard work!] and posh
summer bike.
Well, it seems that car drivers are as blind to motorbikes as pedal bikes,
and I.m usually going faster on the motorbike (except downhill bends,
woohoo).

I'm now of the opinion that every new driver should be made to do the
motorbike
CBT and ride a pedal bike through a busy high street and a few fast A roads.

Hopefully they'll appreciate the problems that us 2 wheelers have, but I
doubt it.

Niv.

PS; Pet hate; clear road except two parked cars, and they're usually
opposite
each other. It happens locally to me all the time, so narrow a fire engine
would not get through without damaging them, which perhaps they should
to teach the stupid bu***rs a lesson.

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Niv said:

I've recently added motorcycling to my other transportation methods,
(car, winter hack, MTB [for welsh mountains - hard work!] and posh
summer bike.
Well, it seems that car drivers are as blind to motorbikes as pedal bikes,

Surely that doesn't surprise you?

Quoted message said:

and I.m usually going faster on the motorbike (except downhill bends,
woohoo).

I'm now of the opinion that every new driver should be made to do the
motorbike
CBT and ride a pedal bike through a busy high street and a few fast A roads.

They'd soon forget, just as they forget proper speed, amber lights,
mirror-signal-manoeuvre, stopping distance, lane discipline, safe
overtaking and all the other stuff they need to pass the test.

Rob Morley formulated the question :

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>

Niv said:

I'm now of the opinion that every new driver should be made to do the
motorbike
CBT and ride a pedal bike through a busy high street and a few fast A roads.

They'd soon forget, just as they forget proper speed, amber lights,
mirror-signal-manoeuvre, stopping distance, lane discipline, safe
overtaking and all the other stuff they need to pass the test.

Absolutely. And (in this case, at least) how to park, once they get to
82:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/6113132.stm

Kind of worrying. Still, the filling station manager's happy to have
her - it's just the thought of her being out on the road...watch out,
Tewkesbury!

--
Simon

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>

Paul - censored said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Been riding, commuting, for a few weeks now and had only a few notable
incidents at all, and no injuries until today.

I'm riding along, same speed as traffic, if not mostly faster, when I see
another cyclist, full-on LOUD Lycra clad 'racer', approaching 'my' road from
a road on the left. No worries, thought I, I have right of way, he has a
'Give Way' and he's joining into a flow of traffic already on a main street
from a side street, classic Tee-Junction, so I concentrate more on the
traffic already in the stream and only keep a weather-eye on him.

BIG mistake ... Bugger didn't look, rode straight out and into me ...

Ah well, as I said earlier, couldn't last but could have been much worse.

A salutary lesson in how to recognise the enemy.
Hopefully he now realises that vehicular cycling doesn't mean "act like
a dopey car driver".

And for Paul, a reminder not to assume anything.
It doesn't sound like easy road conditions, and perhaps an Air Zound
or a shout would have been the best solution, but there's no shame in
slowing down if you have no escape route and someone has shown no sign
of giving way to you. How close to the give way line would you have
been as you went past? The further out you are, the more likely you
are to catch their eye - especially if you can move sideways in their
field of vision.

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at
the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as
walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

wafflycat came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

Reiterating what the others have said - glad you weren't seriously hurt.
Glad it wasn't a car. It also goes to show you get numpties on all forms
of transport!

To be truthful, and I did mention this in the OP, I also consider myself a
numpty in this instance for even thinking he'd act 'normally' ... and
carrying on at undiminished pace. I could, in hindsight, have so easily
slowed even a tad to allow him out, I simply didn't consider he'd ride
straight out into traffic like that.

So glad, as has been said by so many others, that he wasn't in a car ... but
then I may have taken more notice and acted accordingly.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

Paul - censored said:

wafflycat came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

Reiterating what the others have said - glad you weren't seriously hurt.
Glad it wasn't a car. It also goes to show you get numpties on all forms
of transport!

To be truthful, and I did mention this in the OP, I also consider myself a
numpty in this instance for even thinking he'd act 'normally' ... and
carrying on at undiminished pace. I could, in hindsight, have so easily
slowed even a tad to allow him out, I simply didn't consider he'd ride
straight out into traffic like that.

The faster they go the less brains they apply.
Similar thing happened to me some years ago at a cycle lane junction. He
ended up in the road head first. I was still standing on the pavement - I
had slowed right down anticipating potential trouble as it was a "blind
junction" (hedge in the way). He was very lucky there was no traffic on
the road at the time.

Paul - censored said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Quoted message said:

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case'
as I felt a bit woozy and shaken.

While he was down, you should have taken the opportunity to kick his
teeth down his throat.

"Al C-F" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Paul - censored said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Quoted message said:

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case'
as I felt a bit woozy and shaken.

While he was down, you should have taken the opportunity to kick his
teeth down his throat.

And forgo the cost of repairs and land himself with an assault charge
to-boot? NEVER give in to this temptation. You can just read the tabloit
headlines now - "Cycle of Violence Increases".

Keep your head on!

--
David Lloyd,
The pub is responsible for my opinions.

Al C-F came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

Paul - censored said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Quoted message said:

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case'
as I felt a bit woozy and shaken.

While he was down, you should have taken the opportunity to kick his
teeth down his throat.

He knew he'd done wrong, was apologetic, remorseful and in absolute agony.
😉

Two wrongs wouldn't make it right, no matter how cathartic it might have
been for me.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

David P said:

The faster they go the less brains they apply.

I take it you're not too quick, then?

--
Mike

Paul - censored said:

I also consider myself a
numpty in this instance for even thinking he'd act 'normally'

Good man. No one is perfect, but it takes a bit of wossname to admit
it in public.

Tim

Paul - censored said:

Al C-F came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

Paul - censored said:

Ah well, couldn't last.

Quoted message said:

He broke his wrist, I'm fine, but went with him to A & E 'just in case'
as I felt a bit woozy and shaken.

While he was down, you should have taken the opportunity to kick his
teeth down his throat.

He knew he'd done wrong, was apologetic, remorseful and in absolute
agony. 😉

Lesson probably learnt then.