interesting report

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

Quoted message said:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

The left gets enraged when people say ANYTHING negative about them ("they
care more about terrorists' rights than US soldiers'"😉, but offer cartoons
like that. Interesting.

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

Quoted message said:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

The left gets enraged when people say ANYTHING negative about them ("they
care more about terrorists' rights than US soldiers'"😉, but offer cartoons
like that. Interesting.

It has got nothing to do with U.S soldiers Bill. As dangerous as kim is
bush is much more dangerous.

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

Quoted message said:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

The left gets enraged when people say ANYTHING negative about them ("they
care more about terrorists' rights than US soldiers'"😉, but offer cartoons
like that. Interesting.

Not sure what that link or the comment has to do with an
article from a UK paper commenting on what Britons think of Bush.
--
Tim.

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jason said:

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

Quoted message said:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

The left gets enraged when people say ANYTHING negative about them
("they care more about terrorists' rights than US soldiers'"😉, but
offer cartoons like that. Interesting.

It has got nothing to do with U.S soldiers Bill. As dangerous as kim
is bush is much more dangerous.

Way to COMPLETELY miss the point.

Tim Izod said:

Not sure what that link or the comment has to do with an
article from a UK paper commenting on what Britons think of Bush.

Ah. Well, I just thought this was our cue to post random, TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC
political stuff.

It wasn't?

Bill Sornson said:

Tim Izod said:

Not sure what that link or the comment has to do with an
article from a UK paper commenting on what Britons think of Bush.

Ah. Well, I just thought this was our cue to post random, TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC
political stuff.

It wasn't?

Like anyone in this group needs a cue to go OT....right!

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:52:22 GMT, jason <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

Quoted message said:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

The left gets enraged when people say ANYTHING negative about them ("they
care more about terrorists' rights than US soldiers'"😉, but offer cartoons
like that. Interesting.

It has got nothing to do with U.S soldiers Bill. As dangerous as kim is
bush is much more dangerous.

How many people has Kim killed?

How many people has Bush killed?

Bill Sornson would like us to change the subject -- too close to home.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:52:22 GMT, jason <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

[email hidden] wrote:

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

> http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

The left gets enraged when people say ANYTHING negative about them ("they
care more about terrorists' rights than US soldiers'"😉, but offer cartoons
like that. Interesting.

It has got nothing to do with U.S soldiers Bill. As dangerous as kim is
bush is much more dangerous.

How many people has Kim killed?

Well, it's difficult to tell,
as the country is a black box,
but estimates are near 2 million.

Quoted message said:

How many people has Bush killed?

Try about three orders of
magnitude less.

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson would like us to change the subject -- too close to home.

I'm not saying anything good
about Bush, but get your facts
straight. Sorry, I realize
that's a totally ridiculous
request for you.

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

First, you should preface this with "Waay OT." Second, it's a pile of
dog-doo, and Third, you're a lot more interesting when you're holding
forth on subjects you obviously know about, like travelling the world
and taking spectacular trips and pictures from a bike. OK?

You get a pass from me. But why toss this stink-bomb into an mtb
group, anyway?

CDB

Paladin said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

First, you should preface this with "Waay OT." Second, it's a pile of
dog-doo, and Third, you're a lot more interesting when you're holding
forth on subjects you obviously know about, like travelling the world
and taking spectacular trips and pictures from a bike. OK?

You get a pass from me. But why toss this stink-bomb into an mtb
group, anyway?

CDB

If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the

Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of
2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 of
members of the U.S. Armed Forces.

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Quoted message said:

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The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the
same period.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in

the U.S. Capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in
the
nation, than you are in Iraq.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately.

Just figgered I'd throw in a little statistics for fun

CDB

Paladin said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

First, you should preface this with "Waay OT." Second, it's a pile of
dog-doo, and Third, you're a lot more interesting when you're holding
forth on subjects you obviously know about, like travelling the world
and taking spectacular trips and pictures from a bike. OK?

First, you're right, it is waaay OT. Second, it's not dog-doo, it's a
scary example of how scary many people think our president is. Third,
Pete won't be able to travel the world to take spectacular trips and
pictures from his bike if Bush continues his evil ways in pursuit of oil.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

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Quoted message said:

Paladin said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

First, you should preface this with "Waay OT." Second, it's a pile of
dog-doo, and Third, you're a lot more interesting when you're holding
forth on subjects you obviously know about, like travelling the world
and taking spectacular trips and pictures from a bike. OK?

You get a pass from me. But why toss this stink-bomb into an mtb
group, anyway?

CDB

If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the

Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of
2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 of
members of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>

The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the
same period.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>

That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in

the U.S. Capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in
the
nation, than you are in Iraq.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>

Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately.

Just figgered I'd throw in a little statistics for fun

CDB

Now throw in deaths per year from automobile accidents.......

I say overthrow D.C.........

and what good do gun control laws do for a city bordering states that have
no controls?

for that matter, gcl's don't work accept for those who would obey the law
anyway......

well....no one was posting mtb stuff!

Gary

[email hidden] wrote:

Hi Pete
Are you back home and riding, or sitting indoors reading the Guardian?

G.T. said:

Paladin said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

First, you should preface this with "Waay OT." Second, it's a pile of
dog-doo, and Third, you're a lot more interesting when you're holding
forth on subjects you obviously know about, like travelling the world
and taking spectacular trips and pictures from a bike. OK?

First, you're right, it is waaay OT. Second, it's not dog-doo, it's a
scary example of how scary many people think our president is.

Which is why I posted it. I'm on the right myself (I'd like to see
regime change initiated in at least two other countries, and no, Iran
isn't one of them), but if I was American I'd be very worried about how
other countries perceive the US at the moment.

Anyone who thinks Bush is worse than Kim is a fruit (Vandeman displays
his woeful ignorance again) - link from the same paper:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,1136483,00.html

Quoted message said:

Pete won't be able to travel the world to take spectacular trips and
pictures from his bike if Bush continues his evil ways in pursuit of oil.

If Bush doesn't get it, the Chinese will. I know which cultural/ethical
system I prefer, and it isn't this country I'm living in right now.

dardruba said:

Hi Pete
Are you back home and riding, or sitting indoors reading the Guardian?

I'm home and riding, and reading the Guardian........in China.
http://petejones.fotopic.net/p35745992.html
The BBC is blocked, but you can get most UK newspapers on the net. The
net censors have just unblocked Wikipedia as well.

However, time to hit the road soon, think I'll head off on the bike at
the end of the month to warmer climes.

Quoted message said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2006/11/03/bellnew512ready.jpg

Yes, very interesting. I knew there was a reason I like the British,
other than the craftsmanship that went into my speakers
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/product.php?range=2&product=5
--
Slack

Bill Sornson said:

Tim Izod said:

Not sure what that link or the comment has to do with an
article from a UK paper commenting on what Britons think of Bush.

Ah. Well, I just thought this was our cue to post random, TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC
political stuff.

It wasn't?

It could have been- though a new frame arriving and needing to
be be build up and ridden is more important then Usenet🙂
--
Tim.

[email hidden]

Bill Sornson said:

If a REPUBLICAN wore his so-called faith on his or her sleeve like that,
you'd puke on your shoes.

Faith? I have no problem with faith. Hypocrisy, self-righteousness,
bigotry, and greed. Now there I have a problem. I'm not sure where Ford
fits, but then I'm not voting in his district.

Quoted message said:

Just another double standard...among hundreds. (Like your ridiculing
homosexual behavior or drug use of those you oppose. ONLY.)

Haggard can sleep with anybody he likes for all I care. The problem is
that he made himself a public figure based on bigotry against gays, and
it was all a huge lie.

Honestly, I think that the people ranting about the "homosexual agenda"
and making gay marriage a political issue are going to be viewed in the
fullness of time much like people today view the segregationists from
40 years ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/bowers.ap/index.html

Back then, enough people thought like Bowers that you could come out
against integration and be viewed as a champion of American values,
much like those who now rail against gay marriage. The pathetic thing
is that we learned nothing from the vicious and divisive and ultimately
unnecessary fight over integration, and the fight has to happen all
over again. The only difference is that, to make a metaphor, a lot of
the guys in the pointy hoods are turning out to be secretly black, and
engaging in their bigotry apparently out of a sense of self-loathing.
Must suck to be prejudiced against yourself.

Sorry, but the people who have decided that the word "Christian" gets
to be associated with a political ideology are going to get stuck with
the fallout from that. (Like God is a Republican. I mean, really.) What
happens at the end of the day is that people start to equate the word
"Christian" with anti-gay bigotry, innocent young women being harassed
at abortion clinics, and ignorant lunacy like "creation science" or
"intelligent design". And people of real faith start to realize that
these self-professed "Christians" don't represent anything even
remotely resembling a Christ-like point of view.

CC

Corvus Corvax said:

Bill Sornson said:

If a REPUBLICAN wore his so-called faith on his or her sleeve like
that, you'd puke on your shoes.

Faith? I have no problem with faith. Hypocrisy, self-righteousness,
bigotry, and greed. Now there I have a problem. I'm not sure where
Ford fits, but then I'm not voting in his district.

Quoted message said:

Just another double standard...among hundreds. (Like your ridiculing
homosexual behavior or drug use of those you oppose. ONLY.)

Haggard can sleep with anybody he likes for all I care. The problem is
that he made himself a public figure based on bigotry against gays,
and it was all a huge lie.

Last I heard the guy's "accuser" may be a renowned liar. Wonder who paid
him to come out (pardon the expression) with this a few days before the
election.

Quoted message said:

Honestly, I think that the people ranting about the "homosexual
agenda" and making gay marriage a political issue are going to be
viewed in the fullness of time much like people today view the
segregationists from 40 years ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/bowers.ap/index.html

Back then, enough people thought like Bowers that you could come out
against integration and be viewed as a champion of American values,
much like those who now rail against gay marriage. The pathetic thing
is that we learned nothing from the vicious and divisive and
ultimately unnecessary fight over integration, and the fight has to
happen all over again. The only difference is that, to make a
metaphor, a lot of the guys in the pointy hoods are turning out to be
secretly black, and engaging in their bigotry apparently out of a
sense of self-loathing. Must suck to be prejudiced against yourself.

Sorry, but the people who have decided that the word "Christian" gets
to be associated with a political ideology are going to get stuck with
the fallout from that. (Like God is a Republican. I mean, really.)
What happens at the end of the day is that people start to equate the
word "Christian" with anti-gay bigotry, innocent young women being
harassed at abortion clinics, and ignorant lunacy like "creation
science" or "intelligent design". And people of real faith start to
realize that these self-professed "Christians" don't represent
anything even remotely resembling a Christ-like point of view.

"Letting a gay man hang around Senate pages is like letting [censored] Sutton
hang around banks" -- Bob Beckel, Democrat Strategist. (If a Republican
"activist" had said that, the Sunday shows would STILL be playing the bite!)

"Mark Foley is a pedophile" -- MANY Dems, including Rob Emanuel (you know,
the one who WON'T go under oath and swear he didn't know about the IMs well
ahead of their release).

Put gay marriage on the ballot and let each state decide (not judges). Even
OREGON voted it down by a wide margin; are they all /green bigots/ up there?

{quotes paraphrased}