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SRAM DualDrive Shifter?

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  1. In the thread "New Shifters that Shift When You're Still, Ed Kirstein wrote:

    <<It uses the SRAM DualDrive which gives you an 8 speed rear derailleur and a 3 speed hub. It has
    all the range of a 3 gear front derailleur without the fuss of one. I'm very impressed with it. No
    matter what gear I am in on the rear derailleur, if I come to a stop, I can just shift to the lowest
    gear on the internal hub and have no trouble getting going. Its a beautiful system.>>

    Giant is bringing out a model called Mono DX which has this shifter (11-34 teeth 8 speed). This
    model is being recommended as the replacement for the 2003 Melbourne which was the bike I was
    wanting to buy, but which is going out of production on the new catalogue. The Melbourne interested
    me on account of its Shimano Nexus 7 shifter. The claim being made by my bicycle merchant is that
    the DualDrive has all the same advantages and more, with none of the disadvantages.

    I looked on the web-site of SRAM. They seem to be claiming there that the DualDrive makes it
    possible to access _any_ gear at a standstill or under load. Is that true, or is it only the
    three front gears that can be changed standing still? If you're on your highest gear on the
    back derailleur and have to slam to a stop at a traffic light, can you get all the way down to
    the lowest or is it a matter of compromising on the highest back with the lowest front? I have
    never used a front shifter before - my supermarket bike just has a 5-speed back derailleur. How
    would the DualDrive compare (in ease of use, maintenance freedom, and range of terrains that
    can be comfortably ridden) to the Nexus 7 or to the much more expensive 14 gear Rohloff
    SpeedHub, which sounds so attractive to me I'm almost thinking of having a bike built around
    it, and sod the cost!...

    Elisa Francesca Roselli Ile de France

  2. Elisa,

    You can only shift the 3 speed hub at a stand still. The 8 gears are just like a normal derailleur.
    But, This is not really a problem. I find that mostly I am riding in the level mode around town and
    shift the 8-speed up and down for mild changes in terrain. If I come to a stop, the chances are that
    I'm not in the highest gear anyway, and by shifting to the climbing mode, it is always easy to get
    going again. As soon as I get going, I shift to level mode. I only use downhill mode when I really
    get going fast which doesn't happen too often in town.

    I have also found that if I want to shift a single gear ratio, I can twist the 8 speed shifter one
    or two clicks while simultaneously shifting the mode lever one click and actually just slightly
    change my gear ratio. Because there is only one derailleur, you don't have to worry about the chain
    jumping or jamming by doing both shifts simultaneously.

    Also, a marvelous thing about the dualdrive is how instant the hub shifts. Say you are in climbing
    mode and you start to pull the lever to get to level riding mode. Well, halfway through moving the
    lever (which takes a fraction of a second), you are already in the next mode. It is almost
    instantaneous. No pause while the chain tries to jump gears.

    I am completely sold on this system. My friends that try it out, definately have some envy and
    wonder why all bikes aren't made like this one.

    I have read that the dualdrive is supposed to have less friction than the Shimano nexus. Can't
    confirm that but I have seen it written. Another nice feature is how easy it is to adjust. Only one
    barrel adjustment on the cable is all you do. They give you marks in a little window, when you get
    the marks lined up using the cable barrel adjustment, you are done. Really simple.

    Another little detail, is that the rear wheel is not going to have a quick release but rather a 15mm
    nut. It means carrying one wrench to be able to change a tube but I like this feature cause it means
    I don't have to lock up the rear wheel since it would be hard to steal the rear wheel off too
    quickly. Know what I mean?

    I appreciate your exhaustive research and analysis before making your purchase. I am the same way
    about big purchases. If you have any particular questions about DualDrive, feel free to email me at
    ekirstein"Spam"@catskill.net Please remove "Spam" from my address.

    Ed Roxbury, NY

    "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In the thread "New Shifters that Shift When You're Still, Ed Kirstein wrote:

    <<It uses the SRAM DualDrive which gives you an 8 speed rear derailleur and a 3 speed hub. It has
    all the range of a 3 gear front derailleur without the fuss of one. I'm very impressed with it. No
    matter what gear I am in on the rear derailleur, if I come to a stop, I can just shift to the
    lowest gear on the internal hub and have no trouble getting going. Its a beautiful system.>>

    Giant is bringing out a model called Mono DX which has this shifter (11-34 teeth 8 speed). This
    model is being recommended as the replacement for the 2003 Melbourne which was the bike I was
    wanting to buy, but which is going out of production on the new catalogue. The Melbourne
    interested me on account of its Shimano Nexus 7 shifter. The claim being made by my bicycle
    merchant is that the DualDrive has all the same advantages and more, with none of the
    disadvantages.

    I looked on the web-site of SRAM. They seem to be claiming there that the DualDrive makes it
    possible to access _any_ gear at a standstill or under load. Is that true, or is it only the three
    front gears that can be changed standing still? If you're on your highest gear on the back
    derailleur and have to slam to a stop at a traffic light, can you get all the way down to the
    lowest or is it a matter of compromising on the highest back with the lowest front? I have never
    used a front shifter before - my supermarket bike just has a 5-speed back derailleur. How would
    the DualDrive compare (in ease of use, maintenance freedom, and range of terrains that can be
    comfortably ridden) to the Nexus 7 or to the much more expensive 14 gear Rohloff SpeedHub, which
    sounds so attractive to me I'm almost thinking of having a bike built around it, and sod the
    cost!...

    Elisa Francesca Roselli Ile de France

  3. Thanks for this exhaustive answer. It does sound like the system to go with. However, I don't like
    much else about the bike it comes on. If the old 2003 model is still available in the shop where I
    saw it, I think I'm still sold on that one, for other reasons.

    Ed Kirstein said:

    Elisa,

    You can only shift the 3 speed hub at a stand still. The 8 gears are just like a normal
    derailleur. But, This is not really a problem.

  4. Yea, I bought a 2003 Schwinn Voyageur GSX which had better specs than the 2004 version.

    "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for this exhaustive answer. It does sound like the system to go


    with.

    Quoted message said:

    However, I don't like much else about the bike it comes on. If the old


    2003

    Quoted message said:

    model is still available in the shop where I saw it, I think I'm still


    sold on

    Quoted message said:

    that one, for other reasons.

    Ed Kirstein said:

    Elisa,

    You can only shift the 3 speed hub at a stand still. The 8 gears are


    just

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    like a normal derailleur. But, This is not really a problem.

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