Time For A Truce.

Sillyoldtwit said:

Some people train using speed only as their sole means of measuring personal progress.

Some use cadence only.

Some use an HRM.

Some use a power meter.

Some advocate weight training.

Some use all the above or a combination of any of the 5.

Some swear by a coach employing 1 or more of the above.

Then there are the lucky people who save money, don't purchase or hire any of the above and smile contentedly (and distantly) at all the arguments for and against these items.

I think we (and that definitely includes me) should all respect each other's views.

Riders using 1 or more or none of the above, have become very successful in their own right.

It all boils down to what you think works best for you. This doesn't mean to say one can't express their personal choice and belief.

Perhaps we shouldn't say ~ is a waste of time, but rather, have you thought about the using ~ as I think (believe) it might help you in making even greater progress, or words to that effect.

We are after all, trying to help each other to improve in these forums, and I have been as guilty as the next man in dismissing a particular method of training.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic, and people are not happy unless there's some friction in the camp. If true - so be it. 😉 Tyson

Ah yes, the beatified soul, Tyson, has spoken. Don't you realize we'd still be living in caves if we followed your suggestions?

With eternal self-abnegation....
Lucy Wonkywind

Sillyoldtwit said:

Some people train using speed only as their sole means of measuring personal progress.

Some use cadence only.

Some use an HRM.

Some use a power meter.

Some advocate weight training.

Some use all the above or a combination of any of the 5.

Some swear by a coach employing 1 or more of the above.

Then there are the lucky people who save money, don't purchase or hire any of the above and smile contentedly (and distantly) at all the arguments for and against these items.

I think we (and that definitely includes me) should all respect each other's views.

Riders using 1 or more or none of the above, have become very successful in their own right.

It all boils down to what you think works best for you. This doesn't mean to say one can't express their personal choice and belief.

Perhaps we shouldn't say ~ is a waste of time, but rather, have you thought about the using ~ as I think (believe) it might help you in making even greater progress, or words to that effect.

We are after all, trying to help each other to improve in these forums, and I have been as guilty as the next man in dismissing a particular method of training.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic, and people are not happy unless there's some friction in the camp. If true - so be it. 😉 Tyson

Did I write anything offencive or dismissive?

SolarEnergy said:

Did I write anything offencive or dismissive?

I take offense at your sheer nerve in assuming the sun is a viable alternative to generated electricity and trying to push that view point onto everyone...

KIDDING!!!

:p

Jim

SolarEnergy said:

Did I write anything offencive or dismissive?

Did I say you did? 😄

Lucy_Aspenwind said:

Ah yes, the beatified soul, Tyson, has spoken. Don't you realize we'd still be living in caves if we followed your suggestions?

With eternal self-abnegation....
Lucy Wonkywind

Touche!😉

Sillyoldtwit said:

Did I say you did? 😄

I thought you said that some did.

Don't be shy and don't hesitate to bring my back on the right track when you think I go too far. I'll take it as a favor, not even as a critic.

Thanks

Perhaps we should all have signatures which say how we did in our last event. That way, anyone who reads the post will be able to assess the relative merits of the content posted.

Norm

4th place, Miss America

Mine:

Taunted and teased by 2 fast biker chicks for 48 miles and then dropped all together in the last 5 miles.:o

normZurawski said:

Perhaps we should all have signatures which say how we did in our last event. That way, anyone who reads the post will be able to assess the relative merits of the content posted.

Norm

That would be perfect.

Then all the Elite Cat 1 riders will tell us how they do LSD for 20+ hours a week, listen to a Grand Master for coaching advice and have an outrageously expensive software application to view their power data to win their races...

I can't wait... 🙄

Jim

Sillyoldtwit said:

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It all boils down to what you think works best for you. This doesn't mean to say one can't express their personal choice and belief....

Not true. What one thinks works best for them may not in fact be what works best for them. That's why so many elite level athletes still have coaches.

Needless to say I'm against the whole "I feel it to be true" philosophy. While something may feel good or feel right, it may or may not produce the desired results. That's where science steps in as there is much folklore/mythos in endeavors like cycling training and bodybuilding.

Sincerely,

Dr. Morbius
2nd place State Fair Blueberry Pie eating contest :o

Let's all just find our 'happy place'.... :eek: ....ok, I found mine. 😄

Frenchy
When was last event, again? 😕

Cycling Forum Happiness Rules

1. Disregard all rationale.

2. Any unauthorized use of your own judgement is strictly prohibited.

3. Never train harder than RD.

Last event 1st place 20 minute TT on the trainer. So please disregard any cycling advice I give I just like talking about it.🙂

Sillyoldtwit said:

Some people train using speed only as their sole means of measuring personal progress.

Some use cadence only.

Some use an HRM.

Some use a power meter.

Some advocate weight training.

Some use all the above or a combination of any of the 5.

Some swear by a coach employing 1 or more of the above.

Then there are the lucky people who save money, don't purchase or hire any of the above and smile contentedly (and distantly) at all the arguments for and against these items.

I think we (and that definitely includes me) should all respect each other's views.

Riders using 1 or more or none of the above, have become very successful in their own right.

It all boils down to what you think works best for you. This doesn't mean to say one can't express their personal choice and belief.

Perhaps we shouldn't say ~ is a waste of time, but rather, have you thought about the using ~ as I think (believe) it might help you in making even greater progress, or words to that effect.

We are after all, trying to help each other to improve in these forums, and I have been as guilty as the next man in dismissing a particular method of training.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic, and people are not happy unless there's some friction in the camp. If true - so be it. 😉 Tyson

Unfortunately this is never going to happen. The day every1 on this forum can kindly respect how every1 trains is the day I will post more regularly on this forum. ATM ppl are just getting shut down for using more conventional methods and being told that science proves...is a total waste of time.

In nearly every case these methods that are supposed to be a waste of time are employed by 99.99% of top level cyclists in the world. How many races this year were won with a PM??? not alot. How many were won without a PM this year? I dare say nearly every single race if you exclude the cyclists who get paid to lug around these gadgets (Floyd, Jens on occasion).

Apparently weight training is a total waste of time aswell, pfft wake up to yourselves. Just ask any sporting association about the usefullness of specific weight training to there sports or the value of core training.

base training=waste of time, stretching=waste of time, HR=waste of time, weights= waste of time.

I have a polar 725XTE, bought it and I find it very convenient but I still hardly use it. I dont need a Pm or a HRM to tell me whether I am having a [censored] day or not...I certainly dont need a HRM or a PM to tell me to pedal faster. I have an awesome coach/advisor who I gel with very well. I ask him a question and he answers, so far every answer has been correct even if I didn't like it at the time. BTW a lot of those answers haven't been proven by science but then again science proves red meat will give you cancer and eating white bread reduces life expectancy. Science also proves there is only one right way of going about things...Strange I have improved out of sight with a HRM, stretching, weights, speedometer and base training let science prove that one!😕

Last result-4th in a club race (a-grade)...would have won if I had a PM or if I didn't do that strength session a few days b4.

dm69 said:

Unfortunately this is never going to happen. The day every1 on this forum can kindly respect how every1 trains is the day I will post more regularly on this forum. ATM ppl are just getting shut down for using more conventional methods and being told that science proves...is a total waste of time.

In nearly every case these methods that are supposed to be a waste of time are employed by 99.99% of top level cyclists in the world. How many races this year were won with a PM??? not alot. How many were won without a PM this year? I dare say nearly every single race if you exclude the cyclists who get paid to lug around these gadgets (Floyd, Jens on occasion).

Apparently weight training is a total waste of time aswell, pfft wake up to yourselves. Just ask any sporting association about the usefullness of specific weight training to there sports or the value of core training.

base training=waste of time, stretching=waste of time, HR=waste of time, weights= waste of time.

I have a polar 725XTE, bought it and I find it very convenient but I still hardly use it. I dont need a Pm or a HRM to tell me whether I am having a [censored] day or not...I certainly dont need a HRM or a PM to tell me to pedal faster. I have an awesome coach/advisor who I gel with very well. I ask him a question and he answers, so far every answer has been correct even if I didn't like it at the time. BTW a lot of those answers haven't been proven by science but then again science proves red meat will give you cancer and eating white bread reduces life expectancy. Science also proves there is only one right way of going about things...Strange I have improved out of sight with a HRM, stretching, weights, speedometer and base training let science prove that one!😕

Last result-4th in a club race (a-grade)...would have won if I had a PM or if I didn't do that strength session a few days b4.

...and you have given us a wealth of information. 🙄

http://www.cyclingforums.com/search.php?searchid=521548

I thought you said you were leaving...? 😕

dm69 said:

this is probably the last post I wil ever make on this forum...way too many W@^K3RS on this site who think they know it all coz RD and RST told them.

Jim

otb4evr said:

...and you have given us a wealth of information. 🙄

cyclingforums.comsearch.phpOpen ↗

I thought you said you were leaving...? 😕

Jim

what an imformative post...JIM

by the look of the thread it seems its pretty much directly related/linked to me. Of course i will respond to a thread like this, it seems WBT is atleast trying to see my point of view (respecting every1's theory's on training and performance).

And yes i believe i have tried to provide cyclingforums members with information and a strong point of view (often against the grain in this forum).

Sillyoldtwit said:

Some people train using speed only as their sole means of measuring personal progress.

I think we (and that definitely includes me) should all respect each other's views.

Perhaps we shouldn't say ~ is a waste of time, but rather, have you thought about the using ~ as I think (believe) it might help you in making even greater progress, or words to that effect.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic, and people are not happy unless there's some friction in the camp. If true - so be it. 😉 Tyson

I don't mind the normal cut and thrust of debate - and sometimes the challenging of 'received wisdoms' can result in passions being aroused, but the forum is healthier for it. We need to challenge things.

Otherwise we really would still be living in caves. 😉

But, I agree with you, sometimes by choosing words a little more carefully we could avoid the debate descending into derogatory terms.

Although, I actually think that the majority of people do post their views in a constructive manner on the training and power traning forums - the general atmosphere is really very collaborative and the knowledge and experience level is very high and I, as well as many others, have benefitted from some excellent advice.

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Some use different crank lengths

mikesbytes said:

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Some use different crank lengths

and, even on the same bike!

dm69 said:

what an imformative post...JIM

It was a cheap shot and I apologize.

It seems we all post in anger at one time or another...

Jim