X2's vs Zero's

Quoted message said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

David: I think tradition is the primary driving force for the Zero. And not
tradition in terms of no (or reduced) float, but rather having a tactile
feeling at the end of the float before the pedal releases. With an X-series
pedal, you have no feedback from the pedal whatsoever, and this bothers some
people.

For what it's worth, I spend a bit of time with the Speedplay folk at the
Interbike trade show, and they're pretty pleased with a new pedal series
they're coming out with. It won't have adjustable float, but it will feature
the same style of cleat (flat spring) as the Zero, which they claim has
greater life than the round springs on the X-series. Plus, the flat spring
wear out the pedal body less rapidly as well.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Quoted message said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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For what it's worth, I spend a bit of time with the Speedplay folk at
the Interbike trade show, and they're pretty pleased with a new pedal
series they're coming out with. It won't have adjustable float, but it
will feature the same style of cleat (flat spring) as the Zero, which
they claim has greater life than the round springs on the X-series.
Plus, the flat spring wear out the pedal body less rapidly as well.

Next time you talk to the Speedplay folks, can you ask them to consider
providing a slightly deeper countersink for the rear screws of the
cleats? I know I can get the cleat covers, but even after a small amount
of walking, the cleats seem to wear down to the point that the screw
heads are damaged and difficult to remove without slicing a new slot in
the top of the screw.

Other than that, I love the X series pedals. I've used them for many
years and for me, the "stepping on ice" feel went away in just a couple
of rides. I'm hopeful that using them is extending my cycling years by
protecting my knees.

As for the feel of the release angle - while I'm certainly no pro - I've
never had an issue with coming near that point unintentionally. I can't
really imagine how that would happen either. In a full sprint? If the
rider is twisting their foot so violently that it is nearing the release
angle, I assume they would be pulling up on the handlebars, mashing the
petals, and tensing lots of muscles. Would they really feel the slight
difference in force on their foot prior to release through everything
else going on?

Cheers,
David

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

David: I think tradition is the primary driving force for the Zero. And not
tradition in terms of no (or reduced) float, but rather having a tactile
feeling at the end of the float before the pedal releases. With an X-series
pedal, you have no feedback from the pedal whatsoever, and this bothers some
people.

For what it's worth, I spend a bit of time with the Speedplay folk at the
Interbike trade show, and they're pretty pleased with a new pedal series
they're coming out with. It won't have adjustable float, but it will feature
the same style of cleat (flat spring) as the Zero, which they claim has
greater life than the round springs on the X-series. Plus, the flat spring
wear out the pedal body less rapidly as well.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Quoted message said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

Darn.... I just spent $85 re-building my X-2's (disks and bowties)...
after about 10 years. Used to spend $10 every now and then on
springs.... now it is $40 for entire cleats... most of the pieces of
which go into the trash. Square spring should be a great improvement,
but it will likely be 10 more years before I change to them.

Quoted message said:

David N. Makinson said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

I doubt they are selling both equally. I think after the introduction
of Zeros, X series stayed the same or got smaller. We out sell X series
with Zeros 20 or so to 1. I think adjustable float and feeling like you
are connected to the pedal is what riders like. X series, with tons of
float plsu a disconnected feeling, is something people love or hate. As
for pros in Europe, I think it is $ gained by Speedplay, after
releasing Zeros, that allowed them to jump into the sponsorship game.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

David N. Makinson said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

I doubt they are selling both equally. I think after the introduction
of Zeros, X series stayed the same or got smaller. We out sell X series
with Zeros 20 or so to 1. I think adjustable float and feeling like you
are connected to the pedal is what riders like. X series, with tons of
float plsu a disconnected feeling, is something people love or hate. As
for pros in Europe, I think it is $ gained by Speedplay, after
releasing Zeros, that allowed them to jump into the sponsorship game.

OK, that makes sense... the 20:1. If I didn't already have 2 pairs of
X's, were starting our fresh, I would go with Zeros as well. If you
want float, you can have it, if not dial it out.

Peter, by the way, I will be in Colorado Springs last week of this
month. Hope to meet you.

David

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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

David: I think tradition is the primary driving force for the Zero. And

not

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tradition in terms of no (or reduced) float, but rather having a tactile
feeling at the end of the float before the pedal releases. With an

X-series

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pedal, you have no feedback from the pedal whatsoever, and this bothers

some

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people.

For what it's worth, I spend a bit of time with the Speedplay folk at

the

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Interbike trade show, and they're pretty pleased with a new pedal series
they're coming out with. It won't have adjustable float, but it will

feature

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the same style of cleat (flat spring) as the Zero, which they claim has
greater life than the round springs on the X-series. Plus, the flat

spring

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wear out the pedal body less rapidly as well.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"David N. Makinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

For years, Speedplay X2's made inroads in non-pro circles. It took the
advent of the Zero before any (at least Euro) pro teams began using
Speedplay road pedals.

What is the driver for the pros to want adjustable or no float, but
Speedplay is still equally selling both versions of road pedals?

David

Darn.... I just spent $85 re-building my X-2's (disks and bowties)...
after about 10 years. Used to spend $10 every now and then on
springs.... now it is $40 for entire cleats... most of the pieces of
which go into the trash. Square spring should be a great improvement,
but it will likely be 10 more years before I change to them.

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A couple of our sales reps work for Speedplay as well. My wife uses
Speedplays on her road bikes. The metal cleat bottom plates get walked down
to nothing, way before the rest of the cleat mechanism is ready for
replacement. I have often asked why Speedplay does not sell a set of bottom
plates only. Yes, I know selling a $35 set of complete cleats is better than
two little plates. Yes, I know she should have her cafe covers, but all too
often they are forgotten. It would still be nice for them to sell bottom
plates and screws as a short kit...

Bruce