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be forewarned, its sort of girly.

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Tyler to his wife: "But honey, they said they were licensed chiropractors."

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are being posted daily (or rather, nightly) here: pbase.cominterbike 2003Open ↗

be forewarned, its sort of girly.

Dumbass -

You should know better than to forewarn - men like gawking at photos of hotties. If there was a
forewarning of anything, it should have been that Tyler's mug was in the photo.

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Dumbass -

You should know better than to forewarn - men like gawking at photos of hotties. If there was a
forewarning of anything, it should have been that Tyler's mug was in the photo.

Really? Gosh I had no idea that writing it that way could lead to more hits on the site.

Dumbass -

ya, I can be dense sometimes.

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Besides the hotties, did anyone see this?

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Anybody got a clue why spokes laceed to the center of the hub would

have any

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benefit whatsoever?

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Here's the story, if you roll down to where it says "Another

innovate..."

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After reading the story I still have no clue why spokes laced to the

center

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of the hub have any benefit whatsoever. The stated benefits are

aerodynamics

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and power tranfer which seem to me to be total horseshit. Adding a 3rd

plane

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of spokes ought to make the aerodynamics *WORSE*.

And while I am sure there are people here that are much better versed in where power losses
occur on a bicycle, I'm pretty sure that the spokes are not one of the major sinks. And even if
they were, how would center spokes make any difference? I get nervous when I see the number of
spokes drop

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low because that means each one becomes more critical and causes more of a problem in cases of
failure. These wheels have only 6 spokes on the sides. If someone sticks a pedal in your wheel the
likehood of hitting the deck seems a certainty. A single broken spoke means you are screwed.

I bet Jobst will have a field day with these.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

You're missing the point. As with curvy seatstays, split chainstays and so many other recent
"innovations", the primary advantage of tri-flange wheels is that they are immediately recognizable
in the bunch as the Next Thing, thus inspiring gadget lust and it's primary symptom,
wallet-empting. Forget that they will by design be heavier and less stiff laterally than a wheel
with an equal number of spokes but without the extra flange; it's all about jobs (as distinguished
from Jobst)... ;-)

SB

PS - a belated thanks to Sabine for posting the pics. Must admit that new Kestrel Evoke is
cool-looking in a Post-Industrial, Transformer sort of way.

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Howard Kveck said:

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Besides the hotties, did anyone see this?

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Anybody got a clue why spokes laceed to the center of the hub would have any benefit
whatsoever?

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Here's the story, if you roll down to where it says "Another innovate..."
cyclingnews.comshowsOpen ↗

After reading the story I still have no clue why spokes laced to the center of the hub have any
benefit whatsoever. The stated benefits are aerodynamics and power tranfer which seem to me to be
total horseshit. Adding a 3rd plane of spokes ought to make the aerodynamics *WORSE*.

And while I am sure there are people here that are much better versed in where power losses occur
on a bicycle, I'm pretty sure that the spokes are not one of the major sinks. And even if they
were, how would center spokes make any difference? I get nervous when I see the number of spokes
drop too low because that means each one becomes more critical and causes more of a problem in
cases of failure. These wheels have only 6 spokes on the sides. If someone sticks a pedal in your
wheel the likehood of hitting the deck seems a certainty. A single broken spoke means you are
screwed.

I bet Jobst will have a field day with these.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

Seems to me that lateral stiffness would be really poor with this design. But hey, it is
neat looking, which means everybody wil want a pair. That should be enough to justify
charging the expense.

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Dumbass -

You should know better than to forewarn - men like gawking at photos of hotties. If there was a
forewarning of anything, it should have been that Tyler's mug was in the photo.

Really? Gosh I had no idea that writing it that way could lead to more hits on the site.

Sabine

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are being posted daily (or rather, nightly) here: pbase.cominterbike 2003Open ↗

be forewarned, its sort of girly.

Sabine

Besides the hotties, did anyone see this?

pbase.com22198701Open ↗

Anybody got a clue why spokes laceed to the center of the hub would have any benefit whatsoever?

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Bob Schwartz said:

Howard Kveck said:

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Here's the story, if you roll down to where it says "Another innovate..."
cyclingnews.comshowsOpen ↗

After reading the story I still have no clue why spokes laced to the center of the hub have any
benefit whatsoever. The stated benefits are aerodynamics and power tranfer which seem to me to be
total horseshit. Adding a 3rd plane of spokes ought to make the aerodynamics *WORSE*.

And while I am sure there are people here that are much better versed in where power losses occur
on a bicycle, I'm pretty sure that the spokes are not one of the major sinks. And even if they
were, how would center spokes make any difference? I get nervous when I see the number of spokes
drop too low because that means each one becomes more critical and causes more of a problem in
cases of failure. These wheels have only 6 spokes on the sides. If someone sticks a pedal in your
wheel the likehood of hitting the deck seems a certainty. A single broken spoke means you are
screwed.

I bet Jobst will have a field day with these.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

Bob, I'll venture a couple of guesses on this. Part of the reason the manufacturers are going with
fewer spokes is because the taller rim sections (made from better material and welded or in one
piece carbon fiber) are strong enough to stay round with fewer spokes, and I imagine that lateral
strength is also improved. (Imagine how stout a wheel with Fiamme Red Labels would be if it only had
18-20 spokes - yow!) Perhaps their thought in having the tangential spokes in the middle is that it
guarantees that the power is coming off the hub in the same plane as the rim, rather than at a
(slight) angle. Is this something that could be measureably better? As you say, power loss because
of hub wind-up does not seem to be an issue now. As for the aero aspect, perhaps they figure that
those spokes are going to be shielded by the rim. I have no references to aero tests of spoked
wheels to look at to see whether air wraps around the rim as it passes by, but it seems logical that
it does. So would having two layers of spokes be better or worse than three at egg-beatering (I
doubt this is a real word, but you probably get the point, right?) air? At the rim, where the spokes
are traveling fastest, they are all pretty much in the same plane anyway, so it could be a moot
point. I am going to reserve judgement on these wheels until I see some and see them being used, but
I completely agree with your assessment on the dangers of minimal spoke counts. Lose one of 32 and
your wheel gets a bad wobble, but lose one of 18 and it's probably going to seriously taco. By the
way, the Hjertberg bros are the guys who did Wheelsmith and they know Jobst B. pretty well, so he
may have already crossed paths with these wheels. I don't go to rbt so I don't know what he has said
about the newest flock of strangely spoked wheels...

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laugh, we play sports so we don't get fat..." The Dictators

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PS - a belated thanks to Sabine for posting the pics. Must admit that new Kestrel Evoke is
cool-looking in a Post-Industrial, Transformer sort of way.

You're welcome and I've added many more pics since then pbase.cominterbike 2003Open ↗

You got a bunch of good shots, Sabine, so I say "nice work." Your hat stunt is a good one, btw.
It's a good (dare I say it?) gimick that obviously works pretty damn well.

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tanx, Howard

"We've reached a higher spiritual plane, that is so high I can't explain We tell jokes to make you
laugh, we play sports so we don't get fat..." The Dictators

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PS - a belated thanks to Sabine for posting the pics. Must admit that

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Kestrel Evoke is cool-looking in a Post-Industrial, Transformer sort of way.

You're welcome and I've added many more pics since then
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You got a bunch of good shots, Sabine, so I say "nice work." Your hat

stunt

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is a good one, btw. It's a good (dare I say it?) gimick that obviously

works

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pretty damn well.

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the bike-geekitude of Interbike. I applaud.

The Velo Bellas are attractive enough so that it comes off - if there were Masters' Fatties in
there, the hats, poses and quips would be very cheesy.

Yeah, good shots Sabine - I especially like the DeFeet tube socks - they'll go great with my Converse sneaks and cutoff jeans -

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the bike-geekitude of Interbike. I applaud.

Lipo-boy, Yep, they nailed it on the money. The bike-geek multitudes at Interbike fall all over
themselves for attractive women in the first place, but the humorous way Velo Bella present
themselves has to be disarming to most there. Get people smiling and they can't help but be more
open to you.

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The Velo Bellas are attractive enough so that it comes off - if there were Masters' Fatties in
there, the hats, poses and quips would be very cheesy.

Cheesy? It'd be laughable. In a "No, I'm not laughing -with- you, I'm laughing -at- you"
kind of way.

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tanx, Howard

"We've reached a higher spiritual plane, that is so high I can't explain We tell jokes to make you
laugh, we play sports so we don't get fat..." The Dictators

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You're welcome and I've added many more pics since then
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You got a bunch of good shots, Sabine, so I say "nice work." Your hat stunt is a good one, btw.
It's a good (dare I say it?) gimick that obviously works pretty damn well.

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tanx, Howard

Honestly, we didn't plan to do this gimmick. We act goofy like this all the time and just happen to
be wearing the hats because we bought them at a store outside of Harrah's. Of course, when we saw
the reactions and realized the silly potential of pros in pimp hats, we rolled with it.

Floyd Landis, Bob Roll, Gilberto Simoni, and Phil Liggett stand out as real sports about the whole
thing. They were all hilarious. George Hincapie did not want to mess up his hair, but he was so
charming and nice to us that we will of course forgive him. Filip Meirhage ran from us. The next
day he saw us and apologized. He said he thought we were hired promotional chicks. (You'd think
the small [censored] and tan lines would make it obviously not) He offered to wear the hat, but we
wouldn't let him.

Sabine

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He said he thought we were hired promotional chicks. (You'd think the small [censored] and tan lines
would make it obviously not) He offered to wear the hat, but we wouldn't let him.

Sabine

Small [censored] do not detract from hotness*.

*Only if the chick thinks they do.

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He said he thought we were hired promotional chicks. (You'd think the small [censored] and tan lines
would make it obviously not) He offered to wear the hat, but we wouldn't let him.

Sabine

Small [censored] do not detract from hotness*.

*Only if the chick thinks they do.

size is not the real sissue here....... what are the french suposed to say? "If it dosen't fit in a
champagne glass it just isn't needed."?

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He said he thought we were hired promotional chicks. (You'd think the small [censored] and tan lines
would make it obviously not) He offered to wear the hat, but we wouldn't let him.

Sabine

Small [censored] do not detract from hotness*.

*Only if the chick thinks they do.

I never said they detract from hotness. Just that typically, the hired Vegas promotional chick
looks like this: gallery.consumerreview.comsweetchicks.aspOpen ↗ We do not
look like that.

Sabine

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(sabine) said:

Honestly, we didn't plan to do this gimmick. We act goofy like this all the time and just happen
to be wearing the hats because we bought them at a store outside of Harrah's. Of course, when we
saw the reactions and realized the silly potential of pros in pimp hats, we rolled with it.

Good move.

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Filip Meirhage ran from us. The next day he saw us and apologized. He said he thought we were
hired promotional chicks. (You'd think the small [censored] and tan lines would make it obviously not)
He offered to wear the hat, but we wouldn't let him.

Only a complete spaz would mistake you all for Trade Show Floozies. Those Silicone Sallys you
linked in another post are standard issue. Your tan lines are the dead give away - most of those
women seem to have this strange tanning salon hue. And, in an attempt to appeal to the lowest
common denominator at a trade show, they always seem to hire the ones with massive mammarian
mcgillicutties. Whatever...

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tanx, Howard

"We've reached a higher spiritual plane, that is so high I can't explain We tell jokes to make you
laugh, we play sports so we don't get fat..." The Dictators

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*Only if the chick thinks they do.

I never said they detract from hotness. Just that typically, the hired Vegas promotional chick
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I know it's shallow of me to think this, but I don't think The Terminator is very hot.

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I never said they detract from hotness. Just that typically, the hired Vegas promotional chick
looks like this: gallery.consumerreview.comsweetchicks.aspOpen ↗ We do not
look like that.

Sabine

i love that they have "unbreakable" written in a strategic location on their tshirts.

speaking of shirt messages, i'm curious if there's any story behind this one.-
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