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  1. Taken from Critical Mass London discussion list:

    http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/cm-london

    In 'The London Paper' on Wednesday there was a letter in which the
    writer repeated the tired old rant about cyclists on pavements, jumping
    red lights etc. He then described cyclists in London as "The scum of
    the earth" and concluded by saying that " I shall take delight in
    driving at, and knocking down as many of them as I can".
    The next day, a woman wrote in to agree with him and said that she had
    recently deliberately stepped out into the road in front of a female
    cyclist, forcing the cyclist to brake sharply and fall off of her bike
    into a puddle....which the woman who had stepped out seemed to find
    hilarious.

    Now, these people are obviously deranged....but it makes me furious
    that a newspaper would even print these vile comments.
    If it were somebody advocating shooting people at random it would never
    get printed, but the fact that the weapon of choice is a car seems to
    make it acceptable.
    Similarly, If somebody were inciting hatred and violence against a
    minority group based on race or sexuality then they would get arrested
    for hate crime.....but making death threats against a certain section
    of society based on their transport choices is deemed a suitable thing
    to give publicity to.

    I have personal experience of this kind of thing.....once when cycling
    home late at night, a car coming the opposite way swerved right across
    the road to deliberately knock me off my bike, the occupants of the car
    were laughing like maniacs - playing with my life was just a game to
    them.
    I suppose they were safe in the knowledge that even if they had killed
    me they would probably only get a 25 quid fine.

    http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk

  2. "[[[Doug]]]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Taken from Critical Mass London discussion list:

    http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/cm-london

    In 'The London Paper' on Wednesday there was a letter in which the
    writer repeated the tired old rant about cyclists on pavements, jumping
    red lights etc. He then described cyclists in London as "The scum of
    the earth" and concluded by saying that " I shall take delight in
    driving at, and knocking down as many of them as I can".
    The next day, a woman wrote in to agree with him and said that she had
    recently deliberately stepped out into the road in front of a female
    cyclist, forcing the cyclist to brake sharply and fall off of her bike
    into a puddle....which the woman who had stepped out seemed to find
    hilarious.

    Now, these people are obviously deranged....but it makes me furious
    that a newspaper would even print these vile comments.
    If it were somebody advocating shooting people at random it would never
    get printed, but the fact that the weapon of choice is a car seems to
    make it acceptable.
    Similarly, If somebody were inciting hatred and violence against a
    minority group based on race or sexuality then they would get arrested
    for hate crime.....but making death threats against a certain section
    of society based on their transport choices is deemed a suitable thing
    to give publicity to.

    I have personal experience of this kind of thing.....once when cycling
    home late at night, a car coming the opposite way swerved right across
    the road to deliberately knock me off my bike, the occupants of the car
    were laughing like maniacs - playing with my life was just a game to
    them.
    I suppose they were safe in the knowledge that even if they had killed
    me they would probably only get a 25 quid fine.

    http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk

    Seems to be a local problem then......

    TBH all the name calling, posturing and climas of the moral high ground will
    not make the least bit of difference as long as there are bellicose members
    members of each group of road users.

    Discuss....

  3. in message <[email hidden]>,

    Doug (') said:

    Now, these people are obviously deranged....but it makes me furious
    that a newspaper would even print these vile comments.
    If it were somebody advocating shooting people at random it would never
    get printed, but the fact that the weapon of choice is a car seems to
    make it acceptable.
    Similarly, If somebody were inciting hatred and violence against a
    minority group based on race or sexuality then they would get arrested
    for hate crime.....but making death threats against a certain section
    of society based on their transport choices is deemed a suitable thing
    to give publicity to.

    So did you write to the editor making these points?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; If any council in the country has anything to say to cyclists
    ;; about cycle paths, it should be: "We are terribly, terribly sorry."
    - Zoe Williams, The Guardian, 13th Sept 2006

  4. Doug said:

    I have personal experience of this kind of thing.....once when cycling
    home late at night, a car coming the opposite way swerved right across
    the road to deliberately knock me off my bike, the occupants of the car
    were laughing like maniacs - playing with my life was just a game to
    them.
    I suppose they were safe in the knowledge that even if they had killed
    me they would probably only get a 25 quid fine.

    Sadly, I think we've all had things happen like this before, especially the
    'kids who see you coming and then go out into the road and put both arms
    out as though to try and taunt you to hit them' ploy.

    I've even had dog walkers with long leashes let the dog run across the to
    the oppositer side of the road, and holding the leash low to the ground try
    to 'snap it up' when I got there to clothesline the bike. (fortunately I
    saw it coming and went far, far to the other side and passed the dog on the
    left).

    Just have to choose your riding areas carefully. (hard to do if you're
    running errands or commuting).

    Hopefully it will come to some sort of critical mass where everyone knows a
    loved one who cycles and they'll all get some sort of empathy. (But I doubt
    it.)

  5. [email hidden] wrote on 14/10/2006 14:45 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    Sadly, I think we've all had things happen like this before, especially the
    'kids who see you coming and then go out into the road and put both arms
    out as though to try and taunt you to hit them' ploy.

    Try the aim for them and go for it ploy - they will scatter fast enough!

    What you need is a high pitched Airzound a la igNoble prize winning
    Mosquito. Would probably do wonders for the dog too.
    http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.html

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

  6. On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:59:47 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote on 14/10/2006 14:45 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    Sadly, I think we've all had things happen like this before, especially the
    'kids who see you coming and then go out into the road and put both arms
    out as though to try and taunt you to hit them' ploy.

    Try the aim for them and go for it ploy - they will scatter fast enough!

    What you need is a high pitched Airzound a la igNoble prize winning
    Mosquito. Would probably do wonders for the dog too.
    http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.html

    Haha. I'd like some sort of James Bondian armament on the bike, but IRL, I
    prefer the 'stealth' mode. Make no waves, create no eddies. ;-D

  7. I'm sure I read a letter in the Ham & High a few weeks ago, which stated
    that Camden Cycling Campaign should be taken out and shot.

    The editor published that one.

    My SoH failed.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  8. Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    I'm sure I read a letter in the Ham & High a few weeks ago, which stated
    that Camden Cycling Campaign should be taken out and shot.

    The editor published that one.

    My SoH failed.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

    You have Clarkson saying he will run over and kill cyclists for fun and
    that head injuries suffered by cyclists are a good idea. The letter is
    surprisingly daft though.

  9. in message <[email hidden]>,

    spindrift (') said:
    Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    I'm sure I read a letter in the Ham & High a few weeks ago, which stated
    that Camden Cycling Campaign should be taken out and shot.

    The editor published that one.

    My SoH failed.

    You have Clarkson saying he will run over and kill cyclists for fun and
    that head injuries suffered by cyclists are a good idea. The letter is
    surprisingly daft though.

    Anyone know whether a prosecution could be brought on the basis of inciting
    criminal acts?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ' ' <------- this blank intentionally spaced left

  10. [email hidden] whizzed past me shouting

    Quoted message said:


    I've even had dog walkers with long leashes let the dog run across the to
    the oppositer side of the road, and holding the leash low to the ground try
    to 'snap it up' when I got there to clothesline the bike. (fortunately I
    saw it coming and went far, far to the other side and passed the dog on the
    left).


    In this case, you should stop and threaten the dogwalker with the RSPCA
    for endangering the dog. Dogs have had their faces and jaws broken
    doing that and needed major surgery.
    Demand their name and address, that always worries them. If they refuse
    to give it, tell them they're breaking the law by not doing so.

    The RSPCA have fanatic tunnel vision, so if you can get a name and
    address give it to them and they'll harrass the perpetrator for you.

    --
    Sue ];(🙂

  11. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,

    spindrift (') said:
    Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    I'm sure I read a letter in the Ham & High a few weeks ago, which stated
    that Camden Cycling Campaign should be taken out and shot.

    The editor published that one.

    My SoH failed.

    You have Clarkson saying he will run over and kill cyclists for fun and
    that head injuries suffered by cyclists are a good idea. The letter is
    surprisingly daft though.

    Anyone know whether a prosecution could be brought on the basis of inciting
    criminal acts?

    Probably not as there was no incitement just two remarkably stupid
    people showing their stupidity in public. If there were any evidence of
    their carrying out the suggested or alleged behaviour then the letters
    could be used as evidence at court and in the case of one might lead to
    a charge of murder instead of death by dangerous/careless driving. But
    the scenario where that information might be laid is getting into the
    realms of fairies and pixies I am afraid.

    Sniper8052

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