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  1. First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    -dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
    comment.

  2. dbrower said:

    First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    -dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
    comment.

    Whiteout? Medical labs in the U.S. are specifically prohibited from using
    whiteout in any records. You must just put one line through the wrong
    value, initial and date and put new value. Strikeout but not obliterate
    what the original value was.

  3. nobody said:
    dbrower said:

    First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    -dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
    comment.

    Whiteout? Medical labs in the U.S. are specifically prohibited from using
    whiteout in any records. You must just put one line through the wrong
    value, initial and date and put new value. Strikeout but not obliterate
    what the original value was.

    I wonder if they can remove the whiteout w/o ruining what it covers.

  4. nobody said:
    dbrower said:

    First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    -dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
    comment.

    Whiteout? Medical labs in the U.S. are specifically prohibited from using
    whiteout in any records. You must just put one line through the wrong
    value, initial and date and put new value. Strikeout but not obliterate
    what the original value was.

    You do realize we're talking about a French lab, right? Maybe it
    wasn't whiteout. Maybe it was brie.

    Fred

  5. dbrower said:

    First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    Useless trivia:
    The Monkees' Mike Nesmith's mom invented Liquid Paper.
    http://www.answers.com/topic/liquid-paper

    Having to initial changes is fairly cynical. It should be done on the
    honor system. If any of the changes are initialed D^2P^2 that's [censored]
    "Double Penetration" Pound. It's his jailhouse nickname and he's quite
    proud of it.

    R

  6. If you had the original the value can often be seen from the back side, but
    if photocopy, no can do.

    "Tere" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    nobody said:
    dbrower said:

    First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    -dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
    comment.

    Whiteout? Medical labs in the U.S. are specifically prohibited from using
    whiteout in any records. You must just put one line through the wrong
    value, initial and date and put new value. Strikeout but not obliterate
    what the original value was.

    I wonder if they can remove the whiteout w/o ruining what it covers.

  7. I presume USADA passed on it as it didn't want the responsibility and
    ridicule assuming they would agree with the Landis legal arguments. The an
    open hearing while won't neutralize all detractors and dissenters, it will
    allow Landis his day(s) and those in the world who give a flip to see the
    arguments from both sides to agree with whatever conclusion.

    Most likely also if the USADA ruled without a hearing, then the world would
    think it was patriotism and that the UCI and WADA would have openned their
    investigation. This isn;t going to be over until all sides exhaust their
    paths as each side has too much to loose.

    "dbrower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    First rumour I got, from an unidentified emailer, was that the USADA
    review board passed the case on without looking at the merits because
    they couldn't get the 370 page LDP translated from French, so they just
    punted.

    The second rumour, also from an email, is a specific example of the
    kind of "gross errors" alluded to in Jacobs summary of the filing.
    The ISL protocol for corrections on forms requires a crossout that is
    initialled by the person making the change along with the change. Many
    of the forms in the pack are properly corrected in this way, by people
    familiar with the protocol. However, some of the forms contain changes
    that are not done properly -- there is white-out over the "error", with
    a "correct" value filled in, and no attribution of who made the change.

    -dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
    comment.

  8. Chris said:

    I presume USADA passed on it as it didn't want the responsibility and
    ridicule assuming they would agree with the Landis legal arguments. The an
    open hearing while won't neutralize all detractors and dissenters, it will
    allow Landis his day(s) and those in the world who give a flip to see the
    arguments from both sides to agree with whatever conclusion.

    Most likely also if the USADA ruled without a hearing, then the world would
    think it was patriotism and that the UCI and WADA would have openned their
    investigation. This isn;t going to be over until all sides exhaust their
    paths as each side has too much to loose.

    I missed the r.b.r speeling reg on loose, lose and luge.
    If ingles ain't yer native tongue, I'm awful sory.

    If you speak the Kings English, its "lose" with no u as in "colour".

    (perhaps it would be best if we eliminate "lose" and go with "looze"
    just to pay homage to the muther country).

    -bdbafh

  9. in message <[email hidden]>,

    (') said:


    Chris said:

    I presume USADA passed on it as it didn't want the responsibility and
    ridicule assuming they would agree with the Landis legal arguments. The
    an open hearing while won't neutralize all detractors and dissenters, it
    will allow Landis his day(s) and those in the world who give a flip to
    see the arguments from both sides to agree with whatever conclusion.

    Most likely also if the USADA ruled without a hearing, then the world
    would think it was patriotism and that the UCI and WADA would have
    openned their
    investigation. This isn;t going to be over until all sides exhaust
    their paths as each side has too much to loose.

    I missed the r.b.r speeling reg on loose, lose and luge.
    If ingles ain't yer native tongue, I'm awful sory.

    That's 'too much Toulouse', dumbass.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    "This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
    not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
    to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
    -- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,

    (') said:


    Chris said:

    I presume USADA passed on it as it didn't want the responsibility and
    ridicule assuming they would agree with the Landis legal arguments. The
    an open hearing while won't neutralize all detractors and dissenters, it
    will allow Landis his day(s) and those in the world who give a flip to
    see the arguments from both sides to agree with whatever conclusion.

    Most likely also if the USADA ruled without a hearing, then the world
    would think it was patriotism and that the UCI and WADA would have
    openned their
    investigation. This isn;t going to be over until all sides exhaust
    their paths as each side has too much to loose.

    I missed the r.b.r speeling reg on loose, lose and luge.
    If ingles ain't yer native tongue, I'm awful sory.

    That's 'too much Toulouse', dumbass.

    Or 'born Tolouse.'

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    Never take a tenant with a monkey.

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  11. Simon Brooke said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's 'too much Toulouse', dumbass.

    Howard Kveck said:

    Or 'born Tolouse.'

    However the next time a tdf stage finishes in the city in the south of
    france it will be spelled Tooloose.

    By Decree,
    rbr ministir of spelink and gramar

  12. Donald Munro said:
    Simon Brooke said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's 'too much Toulouse', dumbass.

    Howard Kveck said:

    Or 'born Tolouse.'

    However the next time a tdf stage finishes in the city in the south of
    france it will be spelled Tooloose.

    By Decree,
    rbr ministir of spelink and gramar

    It won't be long before this gets too lewd.

    I *love* topic drift.

    -dB

  13. In article
    <[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    ,


    Howard Kveck said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,

    (') said:


    Chris wrote:
    > I presume USADA passed on it as it didn't want the responsibility and
    > ridicule assuming they would agree with the Landis legal arguments. The
    > an open hearing while won't neutralize all detractors and dissenters, it
    > will allow Landis his day(s) and those in the world who give a flip to
    > see the arguments from both sides to agree with whatever conclusion.
    >
    > Most likely also if the USADA ruled without a hearing, then the world
    > would think it was patriotism and that the UCI and WADA would have
    > openned their
    > investigation. This isn;t going to be over until all sides exhaust
    > their paths as each side has too much to loose.

    I missed the r.b.r speeling reg on loose, lose and luge.
    If ingles ain't yer native tongue, I'm awful sory.

    That's 'too much Toulouse', dumbass.

    Or 'born Tolouse.'

    No time Tolouse. I'm outta here.

    --
    Michael Press

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