Road Cycling · Public discussion

Armstron's Statement Annotated

Started by mrsixtypercent · · Last activity · 2 posts · 266 views

This thread is locked and is currently read-only.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
Road Cycling
Published
13 September 2006
Last activity
13 September 2006
Original author
mrsixtypercent
Posts
2
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
266
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–2 of 2
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. I dont know why there's all this beating around the bush about
    Armstrong and doping. His '99 Tour samples have been retested and they
    contained EPO - end of story.

    Cyclonaught said:

    "Today's article in the New York Times was a blatant attempt to associate me
    and implicate me with a former teammate's admission that he took banned
    substances during his career. The recycled suggestion that former teammates
    took EPO with my knowledge or at my request is categorically false and
    distorted sensationalism."
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    That's one interpretation. The article focused on Andreu and Mr. X and
    raised the specter that Postal was not the clean team Armstrong always
    claimed it was with their zero tolerance policy toward drug use.
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    "My cycling victories are untainted; I didn't take
    performance enhancing drugs, I didn't ask anyone else to take them and I
    didn't condone or encourage anyone else to take them. I won clean."
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Untainted? To only the diehard Armstrong believers. The rest is contested.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Despite the fact I am the most tested athlete in the history of sport,
    despite my numerous court victories and undefeated court record, and despite
    the fact that I raced and won clean and fair, my accomplishments and name
    attract attention and remain frequent targets of distortion and
    sensationalism. Today is a prime example.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Recent events have shown that it is virtually meaningless to raise the
    tested/never found positive defense. Armstrong has settled cases, not
    obtained "court victories." The one case that did go to a decision, in
    France, was won by Walsh and the publishers of his book, LA Confidential."
    In fact, after the latest Times article, it is looking more and more as
    though Walsh put the story down correctly.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The allegations re-run today are not new and I defeated them in court."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Incorrect. These are new admissions (not specific allegations against
    Armstrong personally) by Andreu who has testified previously under oath and
    and as yet unnamed former teammate.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The implication that drug use was common knowledge on the Postal team is
    untrue.
    In a recent arbitration in Dallas, I proved I never used, asked or
    encouraged anyone to take drugs. I had over 600 team-related colleagues
    during my cycling career; of those, only 2 testified for the accusers and
    none of those involved any proof that I used, or requested others to use,
    performance enhancing drugs or that drug use was a part of the team. The two
    teammates mentioned by name in the article today, Frankie Andreu and Stephen
    Swart, both gave testimony under oath. The article implies that I asked or
    encouraged Andreu to take drugs. Andreu's sworn testimony, however, shows
    that is categorically untrue; Andreu testified that a) he had no knowledge
    that I ever took any performance enhancing substance; b) had no reason to
    believe I had ever done so; c) had never been told by any reliable source
    that I had done so; d) that I never mentioned, much less suggested, adopting
    a doping regimen; and e) that the only observation of drugs (among the
    hundreds of races in which Andreu had participated with me as both a
    teammate and roommate on the road) (Andreu was a teammate from approximately
    1993 to 2000, while Swart rode for only one year, 1995) was a single
    occasion taking caffeine."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Andreu testimony must be viewed in light of Andreu's recent revelations.
    It in no manner proves that Mr. Armstrong was not using drugs or encouraging
    same.
    Mr. Armstrong's attorneys have done a good job of characterizing Andreu and
    Swart's testimony for their own purposes. They ignore the
    allegations/recollections of teammate X.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Andreu testimony:

    Q: Did he (Armstrong) indicate to you that he was going to use EPO or
    consider using EPO?
    A: No.
    Q: Was there any discussion between you and Mr. Armstrong regarding EPO or
    the use of EPO during that time period?
    A: No.
    Q: '94, '95 time period?
    A: No.
    Q: Did anyone on the team tell you that they knew Mr. Armstrong was using
    EPO during that time period?
    A: No.
    Q: Did you ever have a discussion with Mr. Armstrong about whether or not
    you should use EPO?
    A: Did I ever have a discussion with Lance about whether or not I should
    use EPO?
    Q: Yes.
    A: No.
    Q: Did he ever recommend or say you should do EPO?
    A: No.
    Q: Did he ever ask for your input about whether or not he should use EPO?
    A: No
    Andreu also refuted the claim by Swart that there was some sort of doping
    program on the team:

    Q: First, tell us who Mr. Swart is.
    A: He was a member on the Motorola cycling team for -- I don't know how
    many years, but I was on the same team with him for a while.
    Q: In the book, he says that it was agreed or discussed in the 1995 --
    early 1995 time period that himself, Mr. Armstrong, and possibly others
    decided that they would have a medical or doping program, and that each
    would obtain his own doping products to try to improve their performance. Do
    you have any information regarding the truth of those statements?
    A: I don't remember ever having a meeting like that, no."
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Andreu's recollection that members of the team decided that they needed to
    dope to be competitive is supported by Max Testa's recollection in the Times
    article and the statements of Dr. Prentice Steffen.While Andreu testified
    that he did not remember such a meeting, he did testify about a conversation
    with Armstrong regarding the Indiana hospital occurance alleged by Andreu
    and his wife and off the record confirmed to the Oakley representative who
    may have perjured herself. That conversation was alleged by Andreu to have
    occurred a year later on a training ride.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The article also quoted Andreu's wife falsely asserting that Andreu took
    drugs for me. That never happened, and even Frankie Andreu himself issued a
    statement after the article ran where he refuted his own wife, saying "I
    took drugs to help myself, not to help anyone else." The article attempts to
    describe Betsy Andreu as testifying involuntarily and under subpoena; the
    truth, however, is that:

    a) she voluntarily and without subpoena traveled to Dallas from Michigan
    to testify against me;"
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Contradicted by the statements of the Andreu's attorney and the subpoenas
    issued after a mothion to quash them failed.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    " b) she carried a note saying she hated me;
    c) she contacted the insurance company defendant 15 times within the space
    of a month;
    d) she contacted Greg LeMond and his wife over 100 times in less than a
    year attempting to bring me down; and
    e) she described the hospital incident without emotion, then sobbed while
    re-telling the story less than an hour later, when her testimony was being
    filmed."
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Betsy Andreu clearly has no use for Armstrong. Her testimony is supported
    indirectly by the alegations of teammate X.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Now she attempts to bring me down by somehow attributing her husband's
    conduct to me. It's just not true."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Misrepresentation. She says her husband did it to support Armstrong.
    Andreu says he did it for himself, but he did do it to aid him in supporting
    Armstrong as a Postal domestique.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "With success comes skeptics, detractors, and attacks of guilt by
    association, particularly in today's climate. I raced and won clean. I know
    it and have fought and proved it. I want the millions of cancer patients and
    survivors with whom I battle cancer to know these allegations are still
    untrue and to be assured that my victories were untainted and that they,
    too, have reason to hope for a full, healthy and productive future."
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    To be taken for what it may or may not be worth.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Lance Armstrong

    ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----
    http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
    ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

  2. "Today's article in the New York Times was a blatant attempt to associate me
    and implicate me with a former teammate's admission that he took banned
    substances during his career. The recycled suggestion that former teammates
    took EPO with my knowledge or at my request is categorically false and
    distorted sensationalism."
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    That's one interpretation. The article focused on Andreu and Mr. X and
    raised the specter that Postal was not the clean team Armstrong always
    claimed it was with their zero tolerance policy toward drug use.
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    "My cycling victories are untainted; I didn't take
    performance enhancing drugs, I didn't ask anyone else to take them and I
    didn't condone or encourage anyone else to take them. I won clean."
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Untainted? To only the diehard Armstrong believers. The rest is contested.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Despite the fact I am the most tested athlete in the history of sport,
    despite my numerous court victories and undefeated court record, and despite
    the fact that I raced and won clean and fair, my accomplishments and name
    attract attention and remain frequent targets of distortion and
    sensationalism. Today is a prime example.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Recent events have shown that it is virtually meaningless to raise the
    tested/never found positive defense. Armstrong has settled cases, not
    obtained "court victories." The one case that did go to a decision, in
    France, was won by Walsh and the publishers of his book, LA Confidential."
    In fact, after the latest Times article, it is looking more and more as
    though Walsh put the story down correctly.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The allegations re-run today are not new and I defeated them in court."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Incorrect. These are new admissions (not specific allegations against
    Armstrong personally) by Andreu who has testified previously under oath and
    and as yet unnamed former teammate.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The implication that drug use was common knowledge on the Postal team is
    untrue.
    In a recent arbitration in Dallas, I proved I never used, asked or
    encouraged anyone to take drugs. I had over 600 team-related colleagues
    during my cycling career; of those, only 2 testified for the accusers and
    none of those involved any proof that I used, or requested others to use,
    performance enhancing drugs or that drug use was a part of the team. The two
    teammates mentioned by name in the article today, Frankie Andreu and Stephen
    Swart, both gave testimony under oath. The article implies that I asked or
    encouraged Andreu to take drugs. Andreu's sworn testimony, however, shows
    that is categorically untrue; Andreu testified that a) he had no knowledge
    that I ever took any performance enhancing substance; b) had no reason to
    believe I had ever done so; c) had never been told by any reliable source
    that I had done so; d) that I never mentioned, much less suggested, adopting
    a doping regimen; and e) that the only observation of drugs (among the
    hundreds of races in which Andreu had participated with me as both a
    teammate and roommate on the road) (Andreu was a teammate from approximately
    1993 to 2000, while Swart rode for only one year, 1995) was a single
    occasion taking caffeine."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Andreu testimony must be viewed in light of Andreu's recent revelations.
    It in no manner proves that Mr. Armstrong was not using drugs or encouraging
    same.
    Mr. Armstrong's attorneys have done a good job of characterizing Andreu and
    Swart's testimony for their own purposes. They ignore the
    allegations/recollections of teammate X.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Andreu testimony:

    Q: Did he (Armstrong) indicate to you that he was going to use EPO or
    consider using EPO?
    A: No.
    Q: Was there any discussion between you and Mr. Armstrong regarding EPO or
    the use of EPO during that time period?
    A: No.
    Q: '94, '95 time period?
    A: No.
    Q: Did anyone on the team tell you that they knew Mr. Armstrong was using
    EPO during that time period?
    A: No.
    Q: Did you ever have a discussion with Mr. Armstrong about whether or not
    you should use EPO?
    A: Did I ever have a discussion with Lance about whether or not I should
    use EPO?
    Q: Yes.
    A: No.
    Q: Did he ever recommend or say you should do EPO?
    A: No.
    Q: Did he ever ask for your input about whether or not he should use EPO?
    A: No
    Andreu also refuted the claim by Swart that there was some sort of doping
    program on the team:

    Q: First, tell us who Mr. Swart is.
    A: He was a member on the Motorola cycling team for -- I don't know how
    many years, but I was on the same team with him for a while.
    Q: In the book, he says that it was agreed or discussed in the 1995 --
    early 1995 time period that himself, Mr. Armstrong, and possibly others
    decided that they would have a medical or doping program, and that each
    would obtain his own doping products to try to improve their performance. Do
    you have any information regarding the truth of those statements?
    A: I don't remember ever having a meeting like that, no."
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Andreu's recollection that members of the team decided that they needed to
    dope to be competitive is supported by Max Testa's recollection in the Times
    article and the statements of Dr. Prentice Steffen.While Andreu testified
    that he did not remember such a meeting, he did testify about a conversation
    with Armstrong regarding the Indiana hospital occurance alleged by Andreu
    and his wife and off the record confirmed to the Oakley representative who
    may have perjured herself. That conversation was alleged by Andreu to have
    occurred a year later on a training ride.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The article also quoted Andreu's wife falsely asserting that Andreu took
    drugs for me. That never happened, and even Frankie Andreu himself issued a
    statement after the article ran where he refuted his own wife, saying "I
    took drugs to help myself, not to help anyone else." The article attempts to
    describe Betsy Andreu as testifying involuntarily and under subpoena; the
    truth, however, is that:

    a) she voluntarily and without subpoena traveled to Dallas from Michigan
    to testify against me;"
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Contradicted by the statements of the Andreu's attorney and the subpoenas
    issued after a mothion to quash them failed.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    " b) she carried a note saying she hated me;
    c) she contacted the insurance company defendant 15 times within the space
    of a month;
    d) she contacted Greg LeMond and his wife over 100 times in less than a
    year attempting to bring me down; and
    e) she described the hospital incident without emotion, then sobbed while
    re-telling the story less than an hour later, when her testimony was being
    filmed."
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Betsy Andreu clearly has no use for Armstrong. Her testimony is supported
    indirectly by the alegations of teammate X.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Now she attempts to bring me down by somehow attributing her husband's
    conduct to me. It's just not true."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Misrepresentation. She says her husband did it to support Armstrong.
    Andreu says he did it for himself, but he did do it to aid him in supporting
    Armstrong as a Postal domestique.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "With success comes skeptics, detractors, and attacks of guilt by
    association, particularly in today's climate. I raced and won clean. I know
    it and have fought and proved it. I want the millions of cancer patients and
    survivors with whom I battle cancer to know these allegations are still
    untrue and to be assured that my victories were untainted and that they,
    too, have reason to hope for a full, healthy and productive future."
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    To be taken for what it may or may not be worth.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Lance Armstrong

    ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----
    http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
    ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.