Sent wrong way

Yet Another Graham said:

Apparently there was a demonstration by the Tour of Britian riders yesterday
on the Rochester to Canterbury leg after police sent riders the wrong way. I
was just wondering if a cycle lane was involved 🙂

Dunno but I saw them going through a red light or two
;-))
Good coverage on the BB today even it it did clash with the Vuelta.
All the best
Dan Gregory

Dan Gregory said:

Yet Another Graham said:

Apparently there was a demonstration by the Tour of Britian riders yesterday
on the Rochester to Canterbury leg after police sent riders the wrong way. I
was just wondering if a cycle lane was involved 🙂

Dunno but I saw them going through a red light or two
;-))
Good coverage on the BB today even it it did clash with the Vuelta.
All the best
Dan Gregory

Maybe, but not a good advert for the 1st stage of Le Tour next year,
especially as part of the protest was because a few Kent 'Masons'
('dont you know who I am? I am a member of the same lodge as the Chief
Constable"😉 refused to respect the road block and insisted on driving
their cars along the route of the cyclists, thus showing their normal
inbred level of ignorance.

It is those kind of "green ink from Tunbridge Wells, Colonel Blimps"
that inhabit Kent which make it the least acceptable county to host a
stage of Le Tour.

When they mentioned sport coming to Kent, there was just a grabbing of
guns.

Yet Another Graham said:

Apparently there was a demonstration by the Tour of Britian riders yesterday
on the Rochester to Canterbury leg after police sent riders the wrong way. I
was just wondering if a cycle lane was involved 🙂

Depends. Did they end up bouncing along railway ballast on a road to
nowhere?

Zog The Undeniable said:

Depends. Did they end up bouncing along railway ballast on a road to
nowhere?

There's an idea! An entirely Sustrans route for the next ToB complete
with cycle-proof barriers, control-line dogs and yoofs on motor
scooters would be a great advertisement for the network.

--
Dave...

dkahn400 wrote on 05/09/2006 15:39 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Zog The Undeniable said:

Depends. Did they end up bouncing along railway ballast on a road to
nowhere?

There's an idea! An entirely Sustrans route for the next ToB complete
with cycle-proof barriers, control-line dogs and yoofs on motor
scooters would be a great advertisement for the network.

Add in a bit of Route 93 between Ballycastle and Cushendun in Antrim and
you can have a couple of Cat 2 climbs too. Ideal for a sustainable
transport route.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Quoted message said:

It is those kind of "green ink from Tunbridge Wells, Colonel Blimps"
that inhabit Kent which make it the least acceptable county to host a
stage of Le Tour.

Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never known it
happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning beep.

Simon Bennett said:

Quoted message said:

It is those kind of "green ink from Tunbridge Wells, Colonel Blimps"
that inhabit Kent which make it the least acceptable county to host a
stage of Le Tour.

Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never known it
happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning beep.

It might be all the French visitors. On French country roads, a beep is
apparently considered to be a friendly 'hello' to a cyclist.

TL

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Quoted message said:

Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never known it
happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning beep.

[..]
Pointless?? IME, most cyclists appreciate a friendly warning beep from a
motorist as he is about to overtake. Surely a motorist considerate enough
to give a warning beep will also have waited behind the cyclist on a stretch
of road where it is dodgier to overtake, and has selected his overtake for a
safe bit of road to do it on?

ian henden said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never
known it happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning
beep.

[..]
Pointless??

Yes, pointless. We can hear them, we can see them and if the wind is
blowing in the right direction, we can smell them as well. And them some
twonk makes a loud noise behind when the cyclist is least expecting it.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Every establishment needs an opposition.

Dave Larrington wrote on 11/09/2006 09:03 +0100:

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Yes, pointless. We can hear them, we can see them and if the wind is
blowing in the right direction, we can smell them as well. And them some
twonk makes a loud noise behind when the cyclist is least expecting it.

Reminds me of the old German joke about coming up on Trabants on the
autobahn - first you smell them, then you see their cloud of smoke and
finally you spot them.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

ian henden said:

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[...]>>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never known it
happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning beep.

[..]
Pointless?? IME, most cyclists appreciate a friendly warning beep from a
motorist as he is about to overtake. Surely a motorist considerate enough
to give a warning beep will also have waited behind the cyclist on a stretch
of road where it is dodgier to overtake, and has selected his overtake for a
safe bit of road to do it on?

Ian, I note that you included "[...]", but you snipped the important
author information. If you're not going to quote a single word of what
I wrote, I'd be grateful if you'd either reply to the original message
or at least get the attributions right.

Thanks

TL

(Sorry for butting in; Henden is killfiled here, for obvious reasons)

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ian henden said:

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Quoted message said:

> Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
> approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never known
> it happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning beep.

[..]
Pointless?? IME, most cyclists appreciate a friendly warning beep from
a
motorist as he is about to overtake.

ABSOLUTELY BLOODY NOT!

I have seen two accidents caused by this, one near fatal. Do NOT startle a
cyclist you're about to overtake, /particularly/ if they are young or
inexperienced. Expect them to swerve out towards the middle of the road if
you do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Surely a motorist considerate
enough to give a warning beep will also have waited behind the cyclist
on a stretch of road where it is dodgier to overtake, and has selected
his overtake for a safe bit of road to do it on?

Such beeping is, in my experience and opinion, aggression and bullying, and
is most likely to come from the least considerate drivers, and on the most
inappropriate bits of road.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Morning had broken, and we had run out of gas for the welding torch.

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Quoted message said:

(Sorry for butting in; Henden is killfiled here, for obvious reasons)

Quoted message said:

ian henden said:

"The Luggage" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[...]>>
>> Are they the same motorists who are constantly beeping at me as they
>> approach from behind when I ride around this county? I've never known
>> it happen so frequently anywhere else; the pointless warning beep.
[..]
Pointless?? IME, most cyclists appreciate a friendly warning beep from
a
motorist as he is about to overtake.

ABSOLUTELY BLOODY NOT!

I have seen two accidents caused by this, one near fatal. Do NOT startle a
cyclist you're about to overtake, /particularly/ if they are young or
inexperienced. Expect them to swerve out towards the middle of the road if
you do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Surely a motorist considerate
enough to give a warning beep will also have waited behind the cyclist
on a stretch of road where it is dodgier to overtake, and has selected
his overtake for a safe bit of road to do it on?

Such beeping is, in my experience and opinion, aggression and bullying,
and
is most likely to come from the least considerate drivers, and on the most
inappropriate bits of road.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

All I can offer is that this does not say much for either your experience or
for the value of your opinion. :o(

ian henden said:

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Quoted message said:

Such beeping is, in my experience and opinion, aggression and bullying,
and is most likely to come from the least considerate drivers, and on
the most inappropriate bits of road.

All I can offer is that this does not say much for either your experience or
for the value of your opinion. :o(

And all anyone else can do is observe that once again Ian Henden is
right and absolutely everyone else is completely wrong. I just wish
everyone else would grow up and recognise his omniscience.

(Simon is correct, btw, just in case you're also too stupid to
recognise irony)

regards, Ian SMith
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ian henden wrote on 12/09/2006 08:46 +0100:

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How long (in time) did it take for the car to actually overtake the OP? (it
must have been a fair few seconds from the instant the OP was awre the car
was behind him, the actual passing, the car must have been going fairly
slowly if it was going to make a turn, surely? and it passed sufficiently so
that the back of the car was in front of the OP, plus a little more time
actually turning.

I've had a car racing past me to try fruitlessly to overtake before
turning left. In my case a loud shout left him stopped in the middle of
the road and overshot his turn but there is no doubt I would have
collected the rear of his car if he had tried the turn and there would
have been no way for me to avoid it other than riding into the verge.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Tony Raven said:

ian henden wrote on 12/09/2006 08:46 +0100:

Quoted message said:

How long (in time) did it take for the car to actually overtake the OP? (it
must have been a fair few seconds from the instant the OP was awre the car
was behind him, the actual passing, the car must have been going fairly
slowly if it was going to make a turn, surely? and it passed sufficiently so
that the back of the car was in front of the OP, plus a little more time
actually turning.

I've had a car racing past me to try fruitlessly to overtake before
turning left. In my case a loud shout left him stopped in the middle of
the road and overshot his turn but there is no doubt I would have
collected the rear of his car if he had tried the turn and there would
have been no way for me to avoid it other than riding into the verge.

A knob in a van tried to kill me 3 times in a matter of yards the other
day.

He overtook me whilst I was doing 26 mph (bike computer saying 42kph)
in a 30mph road, and obviously over 30mph was he.

1. He gave me about 10cm of clearance during the overtaking manouver.
One wobble and I could have been under his wheels.

2. He then had to cut in as he'd chosen to overtake me just before a
pinch point (i.e. a traffic island in the middle of the road). I guess
the left-rear corner of the van got to within 10cm of my front wheel
despite me braking. If I had not been braking he would have knocked me
off.

3. He then slammed on the brakes to turn left causing me to brake all
the way down to 5mph. At no point did he even bother to indicate his
intentions.

He stopped just after I shouted "You F***ing T**t" and he wound down
the window.

"If you do that again you are going to kill someone. You absolute
****." said I, struggling to control the fists of death.

No response from him, the point had been made, so I carried on. The
adrenaline was pumping and I forgot to note the reg or company name on
the van. However with recent comments in this group I doubt the Police
would have given a [censored] about a cyclists complaint about a motorist.

The next day, not 1/2 mile from that very spot a local yoof took it
upon himself to discard his half eaten apple by launching it at me as I
passed[1]. It missed my front wheel by inches. I don't think he was
expecting me to stop and come back to confront him. To be fair though,
he did catch what I threw at him quite squarely.

-Alex

[1] He on pavement, I on road. 5m between us at least.

In article <[email hidden]>
Alex <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

He stopped just after I shouted "You F***ing T**t" and he wound down
the window.

"If you do that again you are going to kill someone. You absolute
****." said I, struggling to control the fists of death.

No response from him, the point had been made, so I carried on. The
adrenaline was pumping and I forgot to note the reg or company name on
the van. However with recent comments in this group I doubt the Police
would have given a [censored] about a cyclists complaint about a motorist.

The next day, not 1/2 mile from that very spot a local yoof took it
upon himself to discard his half eaten apple by launching it at me as I
passed[1]. It missed my front wheel by inches. I don't think he was
expecting me to stop and come back to confront him. To be fair though,
he did catch what I threw at him quite squarely.

Ah, the joys of assertive riding :-)

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Tony Raven said:

ian henden wrote on 12/09/2006 08:46 +0100:

Quoted message said:

How long (in time) did it take for the car to actually overtake the OP?
(it
must have been a fair few seconds from the instant the OP was awre the
car
was behind him, the actual passing, the car must have been going fairly
slowly if it was going to make a turn, surely? and it passed
sufficiently so
that the back of the car was in front of the OP, plus a little more
time
actually turning.

I've had a car racing past me to try fruitlessly to overtake before
turning left. In my case a loud shout left him stopped in the middle of
the road and overshot his turn but there is no doubt I would have
collected the rear of his car if he had tried the turn and there would
have been no way for me to avoid it other than riding into the verge.

A knob in a van tried to kill me 3 times in a matter of yards the other
day.

He overtook me whilst I was doing 26 mph (bike computer saying 42kph)
in a 30mph road, and obviously over 30mph was he.

1. He gave me about 10cm of clearance during the overtaking manouver.
One wobble and I could have been under his wheels.

2. He then had to cut in as he'd chosen to overtake me just before a
pinch point (i.e. a traffic island in the middle of the road). I guess
the left-rear corner of the van got to within 10cm of my front wheel
despite me braking. If I had not been braking he would have knocked me
off.

3. He then slammed on the brakes to turn left causing me to brake all
the way down to 5mph. At no point did he even bother to indicate his
intentions.

He stopped just after I shouted "You F***ing T**t" and he wound down
the window.

"If you do that again you are going to kill someone. You absolute
****." said I, struggling to control the fists of death.

No response from him, the point had been made, so I carried on. The
adrenaline was pumping and I forgot to note the reg or company name on
the van. However with recent comments in this group I doubt the Police
would have given a [censored] about a cyclists complaint about a motorist.

The next day, not 1/2 mile from that very spot a local yoof took it
upon himself to discard his half eaten apple by launching it at me as I
passed[1]. It missed my front wheel by inches. I don't think he was
expecting me to stop and come back to confront him. To be fair though,
he did catch what I threw at him quite squarely.

-Alex

[1] He on pavement, I on road. 5m between us at least.

I would wholeheartedly agree with you, you were somewhat slighted by others,
totally unnecessary. But not ALL car/van/lorry/bus drivers are "knobs"....
neither are MOST cyclists!!!

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In article <[email hidden]>
Alex <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

He stopped just after I shouted "You F***ing T**t" and he wound down
the window.

"If you do that again you are going to kill someone. You absolute
****." said I, struggling to control the fists of death.

No response from him, the point had been made, so I carried on. The
adrenaline was pumping and I forgot to note the reg or company name on
the van. However with recent comments in this group I doubt the Police
would have given a [censored] about a cyclists complaint about a motorist.

The next day, not 1/2 mile from that very spot a local yoof took it
upon himself to discard his half eaten apple by launching it at me as I
passed[1]. It missed my front wheel by inches. I don't think he was
expecting me to stop and come back to confront him. To be fair though,
he did catch what I threw at him quite squarely.

Ah, the joys of assertive riding :-)

maybe, and it is probably pleasing when it all comes together. But what
happens when things come unstuck?? when you stop and confront yoof, who then
produces a very sharp knife, for example???

(But some of your number would consider me stupid to be even thinking of
this possibility...)