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  1. Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now). Instead I bought the Cateye EL-300
    bar light and the Cateye OptiCube helmet lamp, $55 combined at REI. Testing them at home on my yard,
    they seemed bright enough. So I set out to familiar trails tonight. These are single tracks that I
    know like the back of my hand. I set the bar light to focus straight ahead, and the helmet light to
    shine where my eyes would be looking. Like I said, both lights' LEDs (5 on the EL-300 and 3 on the
    OptiCube) were "white bright." However, both had the "flashlight" effect, where the beams on each
    illuminated the area directly in front of it, but not a big area, and then you see a "halo" on the
    periphery. It was like a white spot in front surrounded by a white circle 10 feet away from it's
    cicumference! As a result, I was so tentative that I was falling all over the place, granted it just
    rained and the trails were a little wet. I hesitated almost the whole ride since I couldn't see well
    enough, even though I knew the trails really well. I went on fire roads the last 30 mins. of the
    ride, and they worked fine there.

    Lessons learned...
    - You get what you pay for.
    - Try out new accesories on familiar trails.
    - I definitely want white LED lights and not necessarily HID lights.
    - Both the EL-300 and Opticube would serve well for backup lights.

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  2. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now). Instead I bought the Cateye EL-300
    bar light and the Cateye OptiCube helmet lamp, $55 combined at REI. Testing them at home on my
    yard, they seemed bright enough. So I set out to familiar trails tonight. These are single tracks
    that I know like the back of my hand. I set the bar light to focus straight ahead, and the helmet
    light to shine where my eyes would be looking. Like I said, both lights' LEDs (5 on the EL-300 and
    3 on the OptiCube) were "white bright." However, both had the "flashlight" effect, where the beams
    on each illuminated the area directly in front of it, but not a big area, and then you see a
    "halo" on the periphery. It was like a white spot in front surrounded by a white circle 10 feet
    away from it's cicumference! As a result, I was so tentative that I was falling all over the
    place, granted it just rained and the trails were a little wet. I hesitated almost the whole ride
    since I couldn't see well enough, even though I knew the trails really well. I went on fire roads
    the last 30 mins. of the ride, and they worked fine there.

    Lessons learned...
    - You get what you pay for.
    - Try out new accesories on familiar trails.
    - I definitely want white LED lights and not necessarily HID lights.
    - Both the EL-300 and Opticube would serve well for backup lights.

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

    Lots of guys use these here in my neighborhood - Lynn Woods, Mass.

    Haven't heard many complaints. A bright, white light, not like an HID, but enough to get your around
    without straining to see. I used it all of last year, right thru the winter, no problems. it's now
    my bar mount. Bought a storm HID for the helmet. Gonna burn a hole in the dark!

    bikeworld.comevo.htm

    --
    DTW .../\.../\.../\...

    I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing. The rest I've just wasted.

  3. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now). Instead I bought the Cateye EL-300
    bar light and the Cateye OptiCube helmet lamp, $55 combined at REI. Testing them at home on my
    yard, they seemed bright enough. So I set out to familiar trails tonight. These are single tracks
    that I know like the back of my hand. I set the bar light to focus straight ahead, and the helmet
    light to shine where my eyes would be looking. Like I said, both lights' LEDs (5 on the EL-300 and
    3 on the OptiCube) were "white bright." However, both had the "flashlight" effect, where the beams
    on each illuminated the area directly in front of it, but not a big area, and then you see a
    "halo" on the periphery. It was like a white spot in front surrounded by a white circle 10 feet
    away from it's cicumference! As a result, I was so tentative that I was falling all over the
    place, granted it just rained and the trails were a little wet. I hesitated almost the whole ride
    since I couldn't see well enough, even though I knew the trails really well. I went on fire roads
    the last 30 mins. of the ride, and they worked fine there.

    Lessons learned...
    - You get what you pay for.
    - Try out new accesories on familiar trails.
    - I definitely want white LED lights and not necessarily HID lights.
    - Both the EL-300 and Opticube would serve well for backup lights.

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)


    Sounds like you were at Umstead. Do you ever ride Rocky Road? That would be an awesome night ride.
    If you could hack it.

    TJ

  4. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

    Its best to double up on your lighting system, use a helmet mounted light plus a set of bar
    mounted lights.

    This is our set-up...

    Helmet mounted:

    I use this: niterider.combike headtrip2.html

    Jim uses this: niterider.combike digheadtrip2.html

    For the bar mounts, we both use this:

    vistalite.com03code15.html

    This set up provides over 2 hours of good solid ride time and gives excellent coverage of the trail
    when riding.

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

  5. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    - You get what you pay for.
    - Try out new accesories on familiar trails.
    - I definitely want white LED

    Then you definately want 'useless on trails in the dark'?

    Quoted message said:

    lights and not necessarily HID lights.
    - Both the EL-300 and Opticube would serve well for backup lights.

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

    Yes, one without LED's ',;~}~

    For what you are looking to do, I think you most definitely need halogen or HID - LED's just don't
    have the candle power or beam focus to cut it, IMNSHO, and I've seen some of the brightest
    (experimental) white LED's there are.

    Shaun aRe .

  6. Zilla said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now). Instead Snip snip So any recomms.
    for a light system w/ white LEDs?

    How come you start off by saying that you didn't listen in the first place and then continue to
    search for a lightsystem with LEDs? I didn't read the previous thread but I seriously doubt that
    anybody would recommend anything with LEDs in them to ride on a dark trail. LEDs are great to be
    seen with but not to see. I have a Sigma Mirage dual halogen light 5W + 20W. That's very good on
    technical and intermediate trail. On fast winding singletrack it's not even close to enough. On a
    dark road it's fine. It's main drawback is batterylife, which of course is the only reason I would
    ever consider buying LEDs.

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

  7. "D T W .../\..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now). Instead I bought the Cateye
    EL-300 bar light and the Cateye OptiCube helmet lamp, $55 combined at REI. Testing them at home
    on my yard, they seemed bright enough. So I set out to familiar trails tonight. These are single
    tracks that I know like the back of my hand. I set the bar light to focus straight ahead, and
    the helmet light to shine where my eyes would be looking. Like I said, both lights' LEDs (5 on
    the EL-300 and 3 on the OptiCube) were "white bright." However, both had the "flashlight"
    effect, where the beams on each illuminated the area directly in front of it, but not a big
    area, and then you see a "halo" on the periphery. It was like a white spot in front surrounded
    by a white circle 10 feet away from it's cicumference! As a result, I was so tentative that I
    was falling all over the place, granted it just rained and the trails were a little wet. I
    hesitated almost the whole ride since I couldn't see well enough, even though I knew the trails
    really well. I went on fire roads the last 30 mins. of the ride, and they worked fine there.

    Lessons learned...
    - You get what you pay for.
    - Try out new accesories on familiar trails.
    - I definitely want white LED lights and not necessarily HID lights.
    - Both the EL-300 and Opticube would serve well for backup lights.

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

    Lots of guys use these here in my neighborhood - Lynn Woods, Mass.

    Haven't heard many complaints. A bright, white light, not like an HID, but enough to get your
    around without straining to see. I used it all of last year, right thru the winter, no problems.
    it's now my bar mount. Bought a storm HID for the helmet. Gonna burn a hole in the dark!

    bikeworld.comevo.htm

    --
    DTW .../\.../\.../\...

    I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing. The rest I've just wasted.

    They're perfect for neighborhood or street riding for sure. I just did not like them for
    single track.

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

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  8. I see; didn't know that about LEDs. I said I didn't listen - FOR NOW - since all the recomms. were
    $250+ systems, except for Carla's. But now I'm starting to look at all the recomms.

    The LED lights I bought were purely experimental; they're going back to REI tomorrow.

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

    "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Zilla said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now). Instead Snip snip So any recomms.
    for a light system w/ white LEDs?

    How come you start off by saying that you didn't listen in the first place and then continue to
    search for a lightsystem with LEDs? I didn't read the previous thread but I seriously doubt that
    anybody would recommend anything with LEDs in them to ride on a dark trail. LEDs are


    great

    Quoted message said:

    to be seen with but not to see. I have a Sigma Mirage dual halogen light 5W + 20W. That's very
    good on technical and intermediate trail. On fast winding singletrack it's not


    even

    Quoted message said:

    close to enough. On a dark road it's fine. It's main drawback is batterylife, which of course is
    the only reason I would ever consider


    buying

    Quoted message said:

    LEDs.

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

  9. Thanks Carla. Do the VistaLites provide a "spot light" effect, that is, they illuminate a wide area?

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

    "Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So any recomms. for a light system w/ white LEDs?

    Its best to double up on your lighting system, use a helmet mounted light plus a set of bar
    mounted lights.

    This is our set-up...

    Helmet mounted:

    I use this: niterider.combike headtrip2.html

    Jim uses this: niterider.combike digheadtrip2.html

    For the bar mounts, we both use this:

    vistalite.com03code15.html

    This set up provides over 2 hours of good solid ride time and gives excellent coverage of the
    trail when riding.

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

  10. "Stephen Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Zilla says:

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks Carla. Do the VistaLites provide a "spot light" effect, that is, they illuminate a
    wide area?

    "Spot" lights are just that - they iluminate a spot. "Flood" lights are


    what

    Quoted message said:

    you're thinking of... That said, what you want is a pair, or twinned lights, one flood and one


    spot.

    Quoted message said:

    THat way you get the best of both. Steve

    Doh! I meant "flood light" effect alright.

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  11. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now).

    This is your best bang for you buck. The only change I made was to replace one of the 5 watt bulb
    with 15 watt flood bulb.

    pricepoint.comproduct1969.html

  12. "jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now).

    This is your best bang for you buck. The only change I made was to


    replace

    Quoted message said:

    one of the 5 watt bulb with 15 watt flood bulb.

    pricepoint.comproduct1969.html

    I agree, and it's #1 on my list right now; not the best, but the best bang for the $ as you
    say. Thanks!
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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  13. BTW, where do you get replacement bulbs for this system? Home Depot?

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    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

    "jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now).

    This is your best bang for you buck. The only change I made was to


    replace

    Quoted message said:

    one of the 5 watt bulb with 15 watt flood bulb.

    pricepoint.comproduct1969.html

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    See I told you so.

    Can't argue with THAT, Craze!

    Bill "what?!?" S.

  15. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    BTW, where do you get replacement bulbs for this system? Home Depot?

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

    "jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well in a previous post I ask for recomm. on lights. Thanks for all those who responded.
    Unfortunately, I didn't listen to any of the advise (for now).

    This is your best bang for you buck. The only change I made was to


    replace

    Quoted message said:

    one of the 5 watt bulb with 15 watt flood bulb.

    pricepoint.comproduct1969.html

    Vista Lite is the same bulb as the Nite Rider 6 volt system. I ordered a 15 watt flood light bulb
    from my LBS. The bulb is exactly the same as the Vista except the Nite Rider has a heat shield
    attached in back to protect the Nite Rider's electronics. The Vista does not have electronics so I
    justed pulled the heat shield off.

  16. "Stephen Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Zilla says:

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks Carla. Do the VistaLites provide a "spot light" effect, that is, they illuminate a
    wide area?

    "Spot" lights are just that - they iluminate a spot. "Flood" lights are


    what

    Quoted message said:

    you're thinking of... That said, what you want is a pair, or twinned lights, one flood and one


    spot.

    Quoted message said:

    THat way you get the best of both. Steve

    The barmounted Vista's do exactly that, one flood (10 watt) and one spot (5 watt).

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

  17. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    BTW, where do you get replacement bulbs for this system? Home Depot?

    bicyclebuys.comLightSets.htm

    Also, contact Bell sports and they will give you the names of the nearest distributor/dealer in
    your area.

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

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