Hairnet Helmets

Keiron said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge (?),
thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these or is
my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

Try google groups search for "hairnet" - there was a thread here on
them with a pointer to a supplier just a couple weeks ago.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Keiron said:

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge (?),
thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these or is
my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

Branford used to sell them, but I guess they are out of business now.

Keiron said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge (?),
thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these or is
my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

thanks

Dear Keiron,

Modern:

http://lombardisports.com/detail-cycling.aspx?ID=421

Or try eBay and hope for NOS Cinelli.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Thanks for the tips lady and gents, still proving allusive tho. Ebay (US)
returns one but it's the fully padded style and i'm particularly hoping for
the afore mention Cinelli style, NICE! Emailed Branford to check stocks,
their page doesn't appear to have been updated in a long while tho('04 i
think it said), not sure if they're still functioning? Good call with the
CARRERA Carapacho Cycling Helmet a sweet looking alternative.

cheers all

Keiron said:

Thanks for the tips lady and gents, still proving allusive tho. Ebay (US)
returns one but it's the fully padded style and i'm particularly hoping for
the afore mention Cinelli style, NICE! Emailed Branford to check stocks,
their page doesn't appear to have been updated in a long while tho('04 i
think it said), not sure if they're still functioning? Good call with the
CARRERA Carapacho Cycling Helmet a sweet looking alternative.

cheers all

Branford recently burned. Details at campyonly.com.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/198716973.html

Foreign supplier? --D-y

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Quoted message said:

Branford recently burned. Details at campyonly.com.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/198716973.html

Foreign supplier? --D-y

Bummer, thanks for the note. Had a look at cinelli's page but no helmets,
ebay.fr; negative - surprising little in the cycling section in ebay.fr. but
i think you're right, i'm investigating other italian and french pages,
babelfish proving useful in providing me with broken french. :P

merci beaucoup.

Keiron said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Branford recently burned. Details at campyonly.com.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/198716973.html

Foreign supplier? --D-y

Bummer, thanks for the note. Had a look at cinelli's page but no helmets,
ebay.fr; negative - surprising little in the cycling section in ebay.fr. but
i think you're right, i'm investigating other italian and french pages,
babelfish proving useful in providing me with broken french. :P

merci beaucoup.

CHEAP! This was one of the best - but size small- hurry, ends soon.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Kucharik-Cyclists-Leather-Hairnet-Bike-Helmet_W0QQitemZ260023774044QQcmdZViewItem
http://tinyurl.com/hzt38

Keiron said:

Thanks for the tips lady and gents, still proving allusive tho. Ebay (US)
returns one but it's the fully padded style and i'm particularly hoping for
the afore mention Cinelli style, NICE! Emailed Branford to check stocks,
their page doesn't appear to have been updated in a long while tho('04 i
think it said), not sure if they're still functioning? Good call with the
CARRERA Carapacho Cycling Helmet a sweet looking alternative.

According to posts a few weeks ago, Branford, who recently moved to the
West, was burned out in a forest fire, and are out of business. Sad state
of affairs.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
_`\(,_ | certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
(_)/ (_) | reality. -- Albert Einstein

Diablo Scott said:

Keiron said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Branford recently burned. Details at campyonly.com.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/198716973.html

Foreign supplier? --D-y

Bummer, thanks for the note. Had a look at cinelli's page but no helmets,
ebay.fr; negative - surprising little in the cycling section in ebay.fr. but
i think you're right, i'm investigating other italian and french pages,
babelfish proving useful in providing me with broken french. :P

merci beaucoup.

CHEAP! This was one of the best - but size small- hurry, ends soon.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Kucharik-Cyclists-Leather-Hairnet-Bike-Helmet_W0QQitemZ260023774044QQcmdZViewItem
http://tinyurl.com/hzt38

Dear Diablo,

And if the original poster doesn't win this auction, there's a fair
chance that the same seller will sell the same helmet again--he sold
one with the same ad last month.

Eventually, of course, the seller must run out of these helmet, so
this might be the last one available, but it often pays to temper
auction enthusiasm with a search of the completed listings.

I once--

Er, I know a fellow who once saw a book that he'd wanted for years and
bid wildly for it, there being only an hour left before the auction
closed. The joy of winning was tempered by the discovery that the same
damned book was being auctioned off every month by the same seller,
who had a hundred copies.

The bids for the helmet do look reasonable so far.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

"Keiron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge

(?),

Quoted message said:

thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these

or is

Quoted message said:

my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

thanks

Helmet is a euphemism. We called them leather hairnets.

Making medical rounds on neurology wards in most teaching hospitals is
referred to as "watering the vegetables"!

No brains no pains!

I once skidded on some wet leaves and crashed going about 20 mph. My
head hit the curb right in my temple area. Fortunately I was wearing one
of the 1st generation Bell "mushroom" cycling helmets. I walked away
from the crash with just a bent rim and some road rash.

Chas.

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:03:00 -0700, "* * Chas" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Keiron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge

(?),

Quoted message said:

thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these

or is

Quoted message said:

my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

thanks

Helmet is a euphemism. We called them leather hairnets.

Making medical rounds on neurology wards in most teaching hospitals is
referred to as "watering the vegetables"!

No brains no pains!

I once skidded on some wet leaves and crashed going about 20 mph. My
head hit the curb right in my temple area. Fortunately I was wearing one
of the 1st generation Bell "mushroom" cycling helmets. I walked away
from the crash with just a bent rim and some road rash.

Chas.

Dear Chas,

No offense intended, just an observation.

Someday, someone will start counting the number of posts on RBT in
which a helmet is supposed to have prevented certain death or severe
brain injury.

I suspect that about half the posters on the subject have sincerely
testified that they believe that without their helmets they would be
long dead or confined to that familiar neurology ward.

Yet the other half has been riding just as long and survives without
helmets.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:03:00 -0700, "* * Chas" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

{snip}

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I once skidded on some wet leaves and crashed going about 20 mph. My
head hit the curb right in my temple area. Fortunately I was wearing
one of the 1st generation Bell "mushroom" cycling helmets. I walked
away from the crash with just a bent rim and some road rash.

Quoted message said:

Someday, someone will start counting the number of posts on RBT in
which a helmet is supposed to have prevented certain death or severe
brain injury.

Only a small percentage of helmet proponents claim or believe such things.

Quoted message said:

I suspect that about half the posters on the subject have sincerely
testified that they believe that without their helmets they would be
long dead or confined to that familiar neurology ward.

Nowhere near half of such posters (even the small # who believe such claims)
have /had/ such serious accidents as to say such things.

Quoted message said:

Yet the other half has been riding just as long and survives without
helmets.*

Obvious /possible/ explanation: If Chas had slipped on wet leaves at 20 mph
and hit his head on a curb right at the temple area /without/ a helmet, then
perhaps he wouldn't have posted at all.

Perhaps.

* "The other half" don't wear helmets? Or just haven't /used/ them (as in
crashing and striking them)?

Bill S.

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:03:00 -0700, "* * Chas" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

{snip}

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I once skidded on some wet leaves and crashed going about 20 mph. My
head hit the curb right in my temple area. Fortunately I was wearing
one of the 1st generation Bell "mushroom" cycling helmets. I walked
away from the crash with just a bent rim and some road rash.

Quoted message said:

Someday, someone will start counting the number of posts on RBT in
which a helmet is supposed to have prevented certain death or severe
brain injury.

Only a small percentage of helmet proponents claim or believe such things.

Quoted message said:

I suspect that about half the posters on the subject have sincerely
testified that they believe that without their helmets they would be
long dead or confined to that familiar neurology ward.

Nowhere near half of such posters (even the small # who believe such claims)
have /had/ such serious accidents as to say such things.

Quoted message said:

Yet the other half has been riding just as long and survives without
helmets.*

Obvious /possible/ explanation: If Chas had slipped on wet leaves at 20 mph
and hit his head on a curb right at the temple area /without/ a helmet, then
perhaps he wouldn't have posted at all.

Perhaps.

Perhaps he would not have slipped at all, being more aware of his
fraility when "unprotected" by the magic foam hat.

Perhaps even if he did slip, he would not have hit his head at all, it
being lighter and smaller without the helmet.

Perhaps he would have hit his head and not had had more than a bruise
and some road rash.

There is no way to evaluate the protective "value" of cycle helmets
from a single incident. The only way is to watch what happens when a
large population suddenly starts wearing them. This, of course, has
been done, and you (of all people) should know what happens. Tell us,
Bill, what happens to the injury rates when a large population
suddenly starts wearing cycle helmets?

Quoted message said:

* "The other half" don't wear helmets? Or just haven't /used/ them (as in
crashing and striking them)?

Bill S.

It's rather more than the other "half".

The incidence of serious head injury, from which a person would be
protected by wearing a cycle helmet is vanishingly small; indeed the
death rate among cyclists - from ALL causes, not just head injury -
works out to about 1 death per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day
non-stop.

That's why wearing a helmet was considered dumb in the 70's, when they
came out; and would still be considered dumb today, were it not for
the panopoly of propaganda promulgated by manufacturers, police,
governments, ngo's, and qngo's which attempts, using lies, dammed lies
and bad science, to convince the ordinary person that cycling is
dangerous and that wearing a foam hat will magically protect them.

Keiron said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge (?),
thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these or is
my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

thanks

Bought mine for our retro ride on eby..pretty easy to find.

* * Chas said:

"Keiron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge

(?),

Quoted message said:

thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these

or is

Quoted message said:

my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

thanks

Helmet is a euphemism. We called them leather hairnets.

Making medical rounds on neurology wards in most teaching hospitals is
referred to as "watering the vegetables"!

No brains no pains!

I once skidded on some wet leaves and crashed going about 20 mph. My
head hit the curb right in my temple area. Fortunately I was wearing one
of the 1st generation Bell "mushroom" cycling helmets. I walked away
from the crash with just a bent rim and some road rash.

"the helmet saved your life."

Ron
If you're new here you won't know how many levels of irony that transcends.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Obvious /possible/ explanation: If Chas had slipped on wet leaves at 20 mph
and hit his head on a curb right at the temple area /without/ a helmet, then
perhaps he wouldn't have posted at all.

Perhaps.

Perhaps he would not have slipped at all, being more aware of his
fraility when "unprotected" by the magic foam hat.

Perhaps even if he did slip, he would not have hit his head at all, it
being lighter and smaller without the helmet.

Perhaps he would have hit his head and not had had more than a bruise
and some road rash.

There is no way to evaluate the protective "value" of cycle helmets
from a single incident. The only way is to watch what happens when a
large population suddenly starts wearing them. This, of course, has
been done, and you (of all people) should know what happens. Tell us,
Bill, what happens to the injury rates when a large population
suddenly starts wearing cycle helmets?

Quoted message said:

* "The other half" don't wear helmets? Or just haven't /used/ them (as in
crashing and striking them)?

Bill S.

It's rather more than the other "half".

The incidence of serious head injury, from which a person would be
protected by wearing a cycle helmet is vanishingly small; indeed the
death rate among cyclists - from ALL causes, not just head injury -
works out to about 1 death per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day
non-stop.

That's why wearing a helmet was considered dumb in the 70's, when they
came out; and would still be considered dumb today, were it not for
the panopoly of propaganda promulgated by manufacturers, police,
governments, ngo's, and qngo's which attempts, using lies, dammed lies
and bad science, to convince the ordinary person that cycling is
dangerous and that wearing a foam hat will magically protect them.

Your foolish numbers don't take into consideration, where or how I
ride.

So, what about you, have you ever been injured while riding a bike?
Injury meaning bruising, bleeding, or worse.

I find it interesting that some of these people who say cycling is so
safe, based on statistics, will never admit to their own experiences.

I don't believe that riding a bicycle is dangerous in and of itself.
The danger comes from outside sources. Cars, unknown hazards, other
riders, can all make riding dangerous.

Ask a room full of people if they ride a bicycle, maybe half will say
they do. Dig a little deeper and find out that only one or two, really
ride, putting in thousands of miles a year.

So, jtaylor, no insults, just an honest question, tell us about your
riding experiences?

Life is Good!
Jeff

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:32:16 GMT, Jeff Starr <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Obvious /possible/ explanation: If Chas had slipped on wet leaves at 20 mph
and hit his head on a curb right at the temple area /without/ a helmet, then
perhaps he wouldn't have posted at all.

Perhaps.

Perhaps he would not have slipped at all, being more aware of his
fraility when "unprotected" by the magic foam hat.

Perhaps even if he did slip, he would not have hit his head at all, it
being lighter and smaller without the helmet.

Perhaps he would have hit his head and not had had more than a bruise
and some road rash.

There is no way to evaluate the protective "value" of cycle helmets
from a single incident. The only way is to watch what happens when a
large population suddenly starts wearing them. This, of course, has
been done, and you (of all people) should know what happens. Tell us,
Bill, what happens to the injury rates when a large population
suddenly starts wearing cycle helmets?

Quoted message said:

* "The other half" don't wear helmets? Or just haven't /used/ them (as in
crashing and striking them)?

Bill S.

It's rather more than the other "half".

The incidence of serious head injury, from which a person would be
protected by wearing a cycle helmet is vanishingly small; indeed the
death rate among cyclists - from ALL causes, not just head injury -
works out to about 1 death per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day
non-stop.

That's why wearing a helmet was considered dumb in the 70's, when they
came out; and would still be considered dumb today, were it not for
the panopoly of propaganda promulgated by manufacturers, police,
governments, ngo's, and qngo's which attempts, using lies, dammed lies
and bad science, to convince the ordinary person that cycling is
dangerous and that wearing a foam hat will magically protect them.

Your foolish numbers don't take into consideration, where or how I
ride.

A) they are not my numbers, they are those determined by people whose
business it is to find the statistical truth. Calling them foolish
is foolish.

B) They do take into consideration how and when you ride, just as they
take into consideration how and when everyone rides. If you think,
like Sorni, that you can pick and choose the accidents that you will
and will not have, then it is will be no surprise that you also think
that a cycle helmet will save your life in any accident that you have
- indeed, you may be one of those who believe that wearing a helmet
will reduce your chances of leg injuries. Do you?

* * Chas said:

"Keiron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I've decided i want to be cool and retro and live firmly on the edge

(?),

Quoted message said:

thus i need a hairnet helmet. Are there any modern producers of these

or is

Quoted message said:

my only option an 'antique'? Google reveals very little 🙁

thanks

Helmet is a euphemism. We called them leather hairnets.

Making medical rounds on neurology wardsHITLERHITLERHITLERHI... aw [censored], too late!!!

Sincerely, Dustoyevsky

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Nice user name! LOL

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:03:00 -0700, "* * Chas"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

{snip}

Quoted message said:

> I once skidded on some wet leaves and crashed going about 20 mph.
> My head hit the curb right in my temple area. Fortunately I was
> wearing one of the 1st generation Bell "mushroom" cycling helmets.
> I walked away from the crash with just a bent rim and some road
> rash.

Quoted message said:

Someday, someone will start counting the number of posts on RBT in
which a helmet is supposed to have prevented certain death or severe
brain injury.

Only a small percentage of helmet proponents claim or believe such
things.

Quoted message said:

I suspect that about half the posters on the subject have sincerely
testified that they believe that without their helmets they would be
long dead or confined to that familiar neurology ward.

Nowhere near half of such posters (even the small # who believe such
claims) have /had/ such serious accidents as to say such things.

Quoted message said:

Yet the other half has been riding just as long and survives without
helmets.*

Obvious /possible/ explanation: If Chas had slipped on wet leaves
at 20 mph and hit his head on a curb right at the temple area
/without/ a helmet, then perhaps he wouldn't have posted at all.

Perhaps.

Perhaps he would not have slipped at all, being more aware of his
fraility when "unprotected" by the magic foam hat.

Perhaps.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps even if he did slip, he would not have hit his head at all, it
being lighter and smaller without the helmet.

Perhaps frogs will hop out of your butt and fly, too. Highly doubtful.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps he would have hit his head and not had had more than a bruise
and some road rash.

Perhaps.

Quoted message said:

There is no way to evaluate the protective "value" of cycle helmets
from a single incident. The only way is to watch what happens when a
large population suddenly starts wearing them. This, of course, has
been done, and you (of all people) should know what happens. Tell us,
Bill, what happens to the injury rates when a large population
suddenly starts wearing cycle helmets?

I'm concerned with individual cyclists (such as myself) and what would
happen when they (I) take a bad fall helmeted versus unhelmeted. Seems
crystal clear -- /to me/ -- which is safer and more prudent. You (and they)
are perfectly free to do what you (they) want. MHLs, as always, a
completely separate issue.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

* "The other half" don't wear helmets? Or just haven't /used/ them
(as in crashing and striking them)?

Quoted message said:

It's rather more than the other "half".

The incidence of serious head injury, from which a person would be
protected by wearing a cycle helmet is vanishingly small; indeed the
death rate among cyclists - from ALL causes, not just head injury -
works out to about 1 death per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day
non-stop.

That's why wearing a helmet was considered dumb in the 70's, when they
came out; and would still be considered dumb today, were it not for
the panopoly of propaganda promulgated by manufacturers, police,
governments, ngo's, and qngo's which attempts, using lies, dammed lies
and bad science, to convince the ordinary person that cycling is
dangerous and that wearing a foam hat will magically protect them.

Read Carl's post. I think his "guesstimates" (sic) were way off (and also
didn't make sense); that's what I was commenting upon in that *'d
post-script.

Now why don't you fix your new user name? Takes about 30 seconds.

Sorno