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Edward Dolan said:

This is a text only forum which saves us all from the worst excesses.

wrong. doesn't save us from your stupidity.

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Edward Dolan wrote:

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This is a text only forum which saves us all from the worst excesses. In
fact, many of the members here are illiterate (besides being all-around
[censored]) and can hardly spell their own names (but of course they could
always summon up the necessary brainpower to look at pictures). That is
why they are all using stupid user names. Most of them are so ignorant
they do not even know enough NEVER to top post.

[...]

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Ahem, Ed,
I use my real name and can spell but do make typo errors. That is what
spell checkers are for. The problem is that there don't appear to be any
good grammar checkers and the spell checker will pass a there when a
they're should have been used.

I have an older computer which has Microsoft Word on it. That damn thing can
correct your grammar. How it does it I haven't the foggiest. I do agree with
you that spell checkers can sometimes trip us up if we don't also proof
read.

Also some of the users here are obviously

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youngsters who think that text messaging is real spelling. It is an
imperfect world and the technology that was supposed to help seems to be
having a negative impact rather than positive. For instance how can kids
learn to do mathematics when they are supposed to and need to write their
work and formulas they use on paper? You can't do that on a computer, at
least not yet, and I would not want to even contemplate teaching first
graders how to use a computer before they knew how to read or spell.
'tis a quandary we have put ourselves in.

Well, that is what grade school is for - to get the fundamentals down pat. I
literally can't stand to read what teenagers write to one another on their
computers. It is just too, too stupid for words. I don't believe I was ever
that stupid, but maybe I was and have just forgotten about it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Good night, Gracie. Even the Puritan at the Bristol Renaissance Faire
doesn't complain as much as Ed Dolan. And he calls himself a saint, too.

Charlie

Do not confuse me with ordinary saints. I am a Great Saint. This means I can
act like God Himself. None of that wimpy goody-goody [censored] for me! Nay, I am
a Great Saint who rants and raves like a Prophet of olden times. I am like
Jehovah of the Old Testament.

But whatever I am, the trick is to concentrate on my Greatness. That is the
critical element. Just what I am Great at is irrelevant. All that matters is
that I be Great and that you acknowledge my Greatness with suitable
acquiescence. I don't believe I have ever met anyone in my own mind who was
Greater than I am - or who could even approach my Greatness. I become humble
when I am in My presence. Frankly, I am in shock and awe of Myself!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

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Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

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This is a text only forum which saves us all from the worst excesses. In
fact, many of the members here are illiterate (besides being all-around
[censored]) and can hardly spell their own names (but of course they could
always summon up the necessary brainpower to look at pictures). That is
why they are all using stupid user names. Most of them are so ignorant
they do not even know enough NEVER to top post.

[...]

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Ahem, Ed,
I use my real name and can spell but do make typo errors. That is what
spell checkers are for. The problem is that there don't appear to be any
good grammar checkers and the spell checker will pass a there when a
they're should have been used.

I have an older computer which has Microsoft Word on it. That damn thing can
correct your grammar. How it does it I haven't the foggiest. I do agree with
you that spell checkers can sometimes trip us up if we don't also proof
read.

My favorite was an old DOS program called Grammatik. It would point out
long sentences, improper usage of there, they're, and their and many
other things. It even caught (sometimes) the English teachers' favorite,
a dangling participle.

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Also some of the users here are obviously

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youngsters who think that text messaging is real spelling. It is an
imperfect world and the technology that was supposed to help seems to be
having a negative impact rather than positive. For instance how can kids
learn to do mathematics when they are supposed to and need to write their
work and formulas they use on paper? You can't do that on a computer, at
least not yet, and I would not want to even contemplate teaching first
graders how to use a computer before they knew how to read or spell.
'tis a quandary we have put ourselves in.

Well, that is what grade school is for - to get the fundamentals down pat. I
literally can't stand to read what teenagers write to one another on their
computers. It is just too, too stupid for words. I don't believe I was ever
that stupid, but maybe I was and have just forgotten about it.

My daughter uses text quite a bit, but she has a 2 year degree in
education, going now for four as an English teacher, so she actually
texts with proper English and gets [censored] at her friends who don't.
I don't text only because I want the phone to talk to people and
interact verbally, and I didn't buy it to play games or surf the
Internet. I could, but that is how to get suckered into a huge cell
phone bill.
Bill Baka

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Bill Baka wrote:
.........

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My daughter uses text quite a bit, but she has a 2 year degree in
education, going now for four as an English teacher, so she actually
texts with proper English and gets [censored] at her friends who don't.
I don't text only because I want the phone to talk to people and
interact verbally, and I didn't buy it to play games or surf the
Internet. I could, but that is how to get suckered into a huge cell
phone bill.
Bill Baka

.........

People with cellphones abbreviate so much because if they only have a
phone that has the numeric keys, typing out proper words is a pain. If
you want to send effortless, elegant text messages, then get yourself a
phone that has a full typewriter-style letter keyboard.

As for cell phones being more expensive, that's not always true. If you
don't make a lot of calls you'd probably spend less for a per-paid phone
than you will for any monthly contract. I use a Virgin Mobile phone
linked to a credit-card, so it never "runs out" of minutes. On the plan
I went with, Virgin only requires that you spend $20 every three months
to keep the phone active, and their cheapest phones only cost $30 or so
and all include the most-important feature, that being call messages.
They have a full-keyboard phone model now for $130.

As for "expensive foolishness", prepaid phones tend to lack some of the
features that monthly phones do--but even Virgin still has fluffy
teen-oriented features they occasionally lob text messages at you to
talk about. They cannot, however, make you use them.
~~~~~

Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

DougC said:

Bill Baka wrote:
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My daughter uses text quite a bit, but she has a 2 year degree in
education, going now for four as an English teacher, so she actually
texts with proper English and gets [censored] at her friends who don't.
I don't text only because I want the phone to talk to people and
interact verbally, and I didn't buy it to play games or surf the
Internet. I could, but that is how to get suckered into a huge cell
phone bill.
Bill Baka

........

People with cellphones abbreviate so much because if they only have a
phone that has the numeric keys, typing out proper words is a pain. If
you want to send effortless, elegant text messages, then get yourself a
phone that has a full typewriter-style letter keyboard.

As for cell phones being more expensive, that's not always true. If you
don't make a lot of calls you'd probably spend less for a per-paid phone
than you will for any monthly contract. I use a Virgin Mobile phone
linked to a credit-card, so it never "runs out" of minutes. On the plan
I went with, Virgin only requires that you spend $20 every three months
to keep the phone active, and their cheapest phones only cost $30 or so
and all include the most-important feature, that being call messages.
They have a full-keyboard phone model now for $130.

As for "expensive foolishness", prepaid phones tend to lack some of the
features that monthly phones do--but even Virgin still has fluffy
teen-oriented features they occasionally lob text messages at you to
talk about. They cannot, however, make you use them.

One can save even more money by getting basic cell phone service and
not having a land line that costs a ridiculous amount of money in most
cases [1]. As an added bonus, the only unwanted calls I receive are
dialing and/or wrong number errors.

[1] When I lived in Indiana on a temporary basis in the late 1990's, my
phone bill was on average $12/month, which is the only reasonable cost
I have found.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain

DougC said:

Bill Baka wrote:
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My daughter uses text quite a bit, but she has a 2 year degree in
education, going now for four as an English teacher, so she actually
texts with proper English and gets [censored] at her friends who don't.
I don't text only because I want the phone to talk to people and
interact verbally, and I didn't buy it to play games or surf the
Internet. I could, but that is how to get suckered into a huge cell
phone bill.
Bill Baka

........

People with cellphones abbreviate so much because if they only have a
phone that has the numeric keys, typing out proper words is a pain. If
you want to send effortless, elegant text messages, then get yourself a
phone that has a full typewriter-style letter keyboard.

As for cell phones being more expensive, that's not always true. If you
don't make a lot of calls you'd probably spend less for a per-paid phone
than you will for any monthly contract. I use a Virgin Mobile phone
linked to a credit-card, so it never "runs out" of minutes. On the plan
I went with, Virgin only requires that you spend $20 every three months
to keep the phone active, and their cheapest phones only cost $30 or so
and all include the most-important feature, that being call messages.
They have a full-keyboard phone model now for $130.

We do have unlimited minutes but gave the grandkids cell phones and had
to take texting off their plan since they way overdid it. My phone is an
older Nokia from about 1999-2000 that 'ONLY' makes calls. It is big
enough that I can sort of talk into the microphone. The newer ones are
so small that I am talking out my cheek and the audio on the calls has
never equaled a land line, so I kept my basic land line (minus long
distance) for $10 a month.

Quoted message said:

As for "expensive foolishness", prepaid phones tend to lack some of the
features that monthly phones do--but even Virgin still has fluffy
teen-oriented features they occasionally lob text messages at you to
talk about. They cannot, however, make you use them.
~~~~~

Yeah,
And as the guy who pays the bill I can order features disabled. My
grandson is an Internet fanatic and he would most likely run up a huge
access bill. I also don't need a picture phone since I haven't seen one
that will match even a cheap digital camera.
I carry a separate camera for my scenic bike rides.
Bill Baka

n5hsr said:

Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

His head would explode.
Bill Baka

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n5hsr said:

Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

His head would explode.
Bill Baka

What's worse is these kids think they invented most of the abbreviations.
Maybe knocking the dust off them, but if they had to communicate by pounding
a telegraph key at about 5 wpm, they would abbreviate all over the place,
too. As a matter of fact the hams didn't invent a lot of the abbreviations,
they were invented by the landline telegraphers after the Civil War to help
speed traffic, although the Q signals were new in the 1910's. And now we
have 10 codes from the CBers, most of which date back to the 1960's, which
I'm surprised some of the kids haven't dug into. In Morse, it's shorter to
send QTH? but in voice it's shorter to ask for the other guy's 10-20. or as
they shortened it down to "What's your 20?"

I bet Ed doesn't even get the very BLACK humor on Get Smart when 86 married
99 . . . .

So Bill HW U? WX? HR RAIN.

Charles of Schaumburg

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n5hsr said:

Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

His head would explode.
Bill Baka

What's worse is these kids think they invented most of the abbreviations.
Maybe knocking the dust off them, but if they had to communicate by pounding
a telegraph key at about 5 wpm, they would abbreviate all over the place,
too.

Kids even bothering to learn Morse code? Probably not.

As a matter of fact the hams didn't invent a lot of the abbreviations,

Quoted message said:

they were invented by the landline telegraphers after the Civil War to help
speed traffic, although the Q signals were new in the 1910's.

Is it possible the telegraphers were trying to avoid carpal tunnel? You
might have a very sore hand, or at least a few fingers after a full day
on the job.

And now we

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have 10 codes from the CBers, most of which date back to the 1960's, which
I'm surprised some of the kids haven't dug into.

The 10 codes make the CBers, most of which are pretty uneducated in my
on air experience, feel like a hot shot. Weren't the 10 codes initiated
by the police so that people would not know what the were talking about?
Many of the 10 codes can be replaced by shorter words.

In Morse, it's shorter to

Quoted message said:

send QTH? but in voice it's shorter to ask for the other guy's 10-20. or as
they shortened it down to "What's your 20?"

I bet Ed doesn't even get the very BLACK humor on Get Smart when 86 married
99 . . . .

I watched it because Barbara Feldon was pretty hot back then, but did
have to pay attention to get some of the insider humor.

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So Bill HW U? WX? HR RAIN.

Around here the FC is HOT.

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Charles of Schaumburg

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n5hsr wrote:
> Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?
>
> HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
His head would explode.
Bill Baka

What's worse is these kids think they invented most of the abbreviations.
Maybe knocking the dust off them, but if they had to communicate by
pounding a telegraph key at about 5 wpm, they would abbreviate all over
the place, too.

Kids even bothering to learn Morse code? Probably not.

As a matter of fact the hams didn't invent a lot of the abbreviations,

Quoted message said:

they were invented by the landline telegraphers after the Civil War to
help speed traffic, although the Q signals were new in the 1910's.

Is it possible the telegraphers were trying to avoid carpal tunnel? You
might have a very sore hand, or at least a few fingers after a full day on
the job.

And now we

Quoted message said:

have 10 codes from the CBers, most of which date back to the 1960's,
which I'm surprised some of the kids haven't dug into.

The 10 codes make the CBers, most of which are pretty uneducated in my on
air experience, feel like a hot shot. Weren't the 10 codes initiated by
the police so that people would not know what the were talking about?
Many of the 10 codes can be replaced by shorter words.

In Morse, it's shorter to

Quoted message said:

send QTH? but in voice it's shorter to ask for the other guy's 10-20. or
as they shortened it down to "What's your 20?"

I bet Ed doesn't even get the very BLACK humor on Get Smart when 86
married 99 . . . .

I watched it because Barbara Feldon was pretty hot back then, but did have
to pay attention to get some of the insider humor.

Quoted message said:

So Bill HW U? WX? HR RAIN.

Around here the FC is HOT.

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Charles of Schaumburg

Bill Baka

We're actually fairly cool for August up here. We had about a week at
nearly 100, but now it's nearer 80. AC won't circulate the air in the
apartment so it gets a little stagnant. Only one window opens.

Charles of Schaumburg

n5hsr said:

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Around here the FC is HOT.

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Charles of Schaumburg

Bill Baka

We're actually fairly cool for August up here. We had about a week at
nearly 100, but now it's nearer 80. AC won't circulate the air in the
apartment so it gets a little stagnant. Only one window opens.

Charles of Schaumburg

Lucky you,
I'm from Chicago and a good sweaty bike ride will make the A/C seem like
overkill when you get inside. I remember those high humidity hot days
when sweating was kind of useless.
Bill Baka

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Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

I once knew some ham radio operators when I was a kid. They were heavily
into this kind of gobbledygook and most of them knew Morse code too. I
thought it was all a waste of time and energy, especially after I learned
what they were talking about to one another. Yes, these were grown men but
they were acting more like kids. I think they were mainly just fascinated by
the technology that made it possible to talk to someone on the other side of
the world, even though they never had one damn thing to say to one another.
I suspect ham radio is now as dead as the proverbial door nail.

By the way, I also know many folks who are fluent in several languages and
they never have anything to say that is the least bit sensible either. I
like to refer to them as idiot savants.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

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Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

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Charles of Schaumburg

I once knew some ham radio operators when I was a kid. They were heavily
into this kind of gobbledygook and most of them knew Morse code too. I
thought it was all a waste of time and energy, especially after I learned
what they were talking about to one another. Yes, these were grown men but
they were acting more like kids. I think they were mainly just fascinated by
the technology that made it possible to talk to someone on the other side of
the world, even though they never had one damn thing to say to one another....

Like Ed Dolan is fascinated by the ability to post messages to Usenet?

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

Edward Dolan said:

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Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

I once knew some ham radio operators when I was a kid. They were heavily
into this kind of gobbledygook and most of them knew Morse code too. I
thought it was all a waste of time and energy, especially after I learned
what they were talking about to one another. Yes, these were grown men but
they were acting more like kids. I think they were mainly just fascinated by
the technology that made it possible to talk to someone on the other side of
the world, even though they never had one damn thing to say to one another....

Like Ed Dolan is fascinated by the ability to post messages to Usenet?

Another 2 points.

Ed is kind of like CBer's who will talk all night with the mike in one
hand and a beer in the other or until one of them passes out on the
transmit button. I have listened in on one of my shortwave sets once in
a while and it is kind of like male gossip, only not two women talking
over a fence.
10-4
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

Edward Dolan said:

"n5hsr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?
>
> HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
I once knew some ham radio operators when I was a kid. They were heavily
into this kind of gobbledygook and most of them knew Morse code too. I
thought it was all a waste of time and energy, especially after I learned
what they were talking about to one another. Yes, these were grown men but
they were acting more like kids. I think they were mainly just fascinated by
the technology that made it possible to talk to someone on the other side of
the world, even though they never had one damn thing to say to one another....

Like Ed Dolan is fascinated by the ability to post messages to Usenet?

Another 2 points.

Ed is kind of like CBer's who will talk all night with the mike in one
hand and a beer in the other or until one of them passes out on the
transmit button. I have listened in on one of my shortwave sets once in
a while and it is kind of like male gossip, only not two women talking
over a fence.
10-4
Bill Baka

idiot....

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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

Edward Dolan said:

"n5hsr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?
>
> HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
I once knew some ham radio operators when I was a kid. They were heavily
into this kind of gobbledygook and most of them knew Morse code too. I
thought it was all a waste of time and energy, especially after I
learned
what they were talking about to one another. Yes, these were grown men
but
they were acting more like kids. I think they were mainly just
fascinated by
the technology that made it possible to talk to someone on the other
side of
the world, even though they never had one damn thing to say to one
another....

Like Ed Dolan is fascinated by the ability to post messages to Usenet?

Another 2 points.

Ed is kind of like CBer's who will talk all night with the mike in one
hand and a beer in the other or until one of them passes out on the
transmit button. I have listened in on one of my shortwave sets once in a
while and it is kind of like male gossip, only not two women talking over
a fence.
10-4
Bill Baka

80 Meters and 20 meters is two reasons it took me so long to get my Extra
class license. I was happy as a hog in mud on 2 meters.

Charles of Schaumburg.

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Edward Dolan said:

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Wonder what Ed would have thought of 1924 era QST-ese?

HW WX? WET HR. ANT MFJ-1621. RIG 706G MK2 DE N5HSR K

Charles of Schaumburg

I once knew some ham radio operators when I was a kid. They were heavily
into this kind of gobbledygook and most of them knew Morse code too. I
thought it was all a waste of time and energy, especially after I learned
what they were talking about to one another. Yes, these were grown men
but
they were acting more like kids. I think they were mainly just fascinated
by
the technology that made it possible to talk to someone on the other side
of
the world, even though they never had one damn thing to say to one
another....

Like Ed Dolan is fascinated by the ability to post messages to Usenet?

My messages are just chock full of substance. Read enough of the Great Ed
Dolan and you will be one fine educated gentleman. You will learn of many
things that you never even knew existed. However, if all you read are
techno-jerks, you will end up as ignorant and as woebegone as you were when
you first came into this world. Technical matters are for kids who have
never grown up.

Once you become high and mighty like the Great Ed Dolan, you will know that
you have arrived at the summit of human experience. I hardly ever notice the
hoi polloi anymore my nose is stuck up so high. I shall soon belong to the
ages and leave the rest of you in the mud where you belong.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota