How often to lubricate your splines

antisieze not lube

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natiag said:

title says it. how often should i lubricate the splines of my torker dx?

How often do you ride it in the rain, through snow, through rain,
through puddles, jump in water, etc.?

It all depends on what kinds of conditions you ride it in. If it is
always ridden in clean dry conditions and stored well you won't have to
regrease (with anti-seize) very often. If you ride regularly in bad
conditions you may have to regrease every couple of months (or even
more) and also replace the bearings regularly. It all depends.

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forgive me, but what is the difference between like a heavy bike grease
and an anti-seize?

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onelesscar said:

forgive me, but what is the difference between like a heavy bike grease
and an anti-seize?

Heavy bike grease is designed for lubricating things like bearings. It
is thick so it acts as a barier to dirt or water getting in to where
there is metal on metal contact.

Anti-seize is designed to lubricate parts where there is high pressure.
Pressure being that the parts squeeze together very tightly. Splined
crank interfaces and the threads of highly torqued bolts are examples
of high pressure applications.

Anti-seize is a grease with metal and/or graphite flakes mixed in with
the grease. The metal flakes will lubricate even after the grease has
been squeezed out due to the high pressure. Anti-seize won't get
squeezed out from between the parts the way regular bicycle bearing
grease can.

Here's Loctite's blurb on anti-seize from their catalog:

Quoted message said:

Loctite® Anti-Seize Compounds are a group of premium quality products,
developed to protect metal parts from rust, corrosion, galling, and
seizing. They ease assembly and disassembly of slip-fit, press-fit, and
threaded joints and reduce friction and wear on critical operating
equipment. Formulated for severe industrial environments, these
products protect against high temperatures, heavy loads, chemicals,
pounding, and vibration.

Anti-seize is used in various maintenance tasks for cars. For example
you put anti-seize on spark plug threads so the spark plugs won't seize
in the engine block. Because it's used for car maintenance you can
find anti-seize at automotive shops. You can find anti-seize at bike
shops too, but it's generally more expensive there than at automotive
shops. For bicycle use the copper based anti-seize is fine.

A little bit of anti-seize goes a long way. A little 4 oz. jar of
anti-seize will last you many years. Don't buy more than 4 oz. cause
you'll never use it all.

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Forgive me JC but I'm still a fan of using Finnish Line Grease w teflon.
I'm just not convinced that there is that much pressure on my splines
to warrent the icky nasty anti seize, its way expencive and while yes I
know profile does reccomend to use it. My profile cranks and splines
look great after 3 years of hard riding.

Oh and I typically clean and lube up the uni every 2 months when I'm
riding alot.

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i dont know hwo to find Anti-seize here in brazil..

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Checkernuts said:

Forgive me JC but I'm still a fan of using Finnish Line Grease w teflon.
I'm just not convinced that there is that much pressure on my splines
to warrent the icky nasty anti seize, its way expencive and while yes I
know profile does reccomend to use it. My profile cranks and splines
look great after 3 years of hard riding.

I have never used anything other than anti-seize. But if I did try
something else the Finish Line Teflon grease would be a good option.
It's good stuff.

I wear Latex gloves when putting the anti-seize on and wipe away the
excess with a paper towel (while I still have the gloves on). It is
messy when it gets on your hands and it can be messy wiping away the
excess.

Anti-seize isn't expensive, especially compared to premium bicycle
grease like the Finish Line Teflon grease. You should be able to find
a 4oz jar of anti-seize at an auto parts store for around $8. The
Finish Line Teflon grease has a MSRP of $7.49 for 3.5oz or $16.99 for
16oz. It's not cheap either.

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Grease or "Lube" is fine. I use grease more than anti-seize.

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musketman said:

Grease or "Lube" is fine.

There are many, many, many types of grease. K-Y jelly, for example, is
a type of grease. Would you use K-Y jelly on your splines? I didn't
think so...

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I rarely ride in water but I run a Profile crank and my method is pretty
simple but so far effective. Tear everything down, clean with a super
strong and toxic degreaser (that has acid), coat all parts with regular
axle grease and reassemble. I'll have to try anti-seize next time but
so far this simple method has worked well for me. Gotta do this about
three to four times a year if I'm riding every weekend. Also, change
the bearings sooner than later. They're only about 15 bucks and it's
nice to have a smooth running wheel.

JL

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i use this "cyclo" brand stuff i found in my basement. i dissasembled
the whole uni, wiped it down, dried any water, put the stuff on, and
reassembled it. rides like a dream.

its the best anti-seize ive ever seen. i put some on my brothers bike
secretly, and he said he noticed a difference.

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so I imagine if you do use anti-seize instead of grease, you use less,
right? cause when I grease my splines, I slather it on, but at that
rate, 4oz would never last me for years...

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onelesscar said:

so I imagine if you do use anti-seize instead of grease, you use less,
right? cause when I grease my splines, I slather it on, but at that
rate, 4oz would never last me for years...

A little goes a long way. You just coat the parts like you were
painting. It's not like stucco or plaster. You don't slather it, just
coat the surfaces like paint.

The jars of anti-seize will have a brush in the cap. The tubes will
not. Spread it around with the brush. If you don't have a brush then
cover your finger with a plastic bag and spread it around with your
finger.

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natiag said:

title says it. how often should i lubricate the splines of my torker dx?

I didn't see many responses to natiag's original question, not what with
but how -often- should he grease the splines. -Splines- don't really
need to be greased or Loctited or anti-seized more often than when they
are being mounted, if, however, natiag means how often to grease
-bearings- then all of the advise about anti-seize is incorrect - don't
Loctite or anti-seize bearings - just grease - anti-seize is for bolts,
the metal flakes in anti-seize is bad for bearings. I work on big,
multi-ton industrial machines that run 24/7 and the bearing surfaces
NEVER get anti-seize, just oils and greases.

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brian.slater said:

I didn't see many responses to natiag's original question, not what with
but how -often- should he grease the splines.

There is no simple answer where you can say the cranks need regreasing
after X number of hours riding. It's like asking how often you should
relubricate a bicycle chain. It all depends on the conditions you ride
in and some other factors.

The cranks need to be regreased when they need it. If you start
hearing noises from the crank or hub then it's overdue for some
maintenance.

Generally the lubrication on the splines will be fine. The splines
aren't exposed to the elements. It's often the lubrication on the
spacer washers or the funny washer under the [censored]' Bolt for the
Profile cranks that wears away first and that seems to be where some
noise can develop. To lube the spacers you need to pull the cranks off
so might as well lube the crank splines again too.

The hub bearings for a muni likely need to be replaced once or twice
per year, depending on how often you ride and the conditions you ride
in. The Winter season generally does in my hub bearings so the cranks
get pulled to replace the bearings then.

All told the cranks come off my muni at least four or five times per
year. I don't count or keep track.

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