Another near accident this week!

No newsnet history that I found.
TJ

dannyfrankszzz said:

Nearly killed by a coach on Tuesday and now an idiot nearly takes me out
today.

Cycling along a busy main road in North London. Parked cars on the
left, two lanes of traffic on the right. I'm on the inside doing about
16-18mph. A motorist overtakes me doing a bit more.

So, he should be aware of where I am and roughly what speed I'm doing.
However, he suddenly decides he needs to take a left and guess what...

Yes, he does indicate but it's all too late.

Fortunately, I was aware enough of his stupidity and managed to avoid a
head on collision and he probably has a bill for a paint job on the
passenger side door now but who cares.

Anyway, I had to be somewhere and really could not be bothered with a
confrontation and so just went on my merry way. However, in hindsight,
I should have got all his details and gone to the police etc, but all
this stuff is stressful. I've been cycling about 5 years now and this
has happened to me several times. I just get fed up.

I should also mention that the driver was of a different nationality
and clearly had his own interpretation of the Highway Code. One might
wonder how such individuals are granted a driving licence when they
drive so badly...well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
of how badly and dangerously they drive. The next minute, these
individuals are on the roads...

There seems to be a distinguishable driving capability / responsibility
between different cultures. - Not racist but culturist!

I think (and hope) we are reaching a peak in anti-cyclist behavior, in
infrastructure and driving practice. I hope this will change with the
pressures of increased cost of energy, etc.

In my case I was nearly (purposely) killed by a 'dustcart', and have
stopped cycling for a while (year or so).- I cried at the time.

I love cycling, but feel so disappointed in people's attitudes.

"dannyfrankszzz" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Nearly killed by a coach on Tuesday and now an idiot nearly takes me out
today.

Cycling along a busy main road in North London. Parked cars on the
left, two lanes of traffic on the right. I'm on the inside doing about
16-18mph. A motorist overtakes me doing a bit more.

So, he should be aware of where I am and roughly what speed I'm doing.
However, he suddenly decides he needs to take a left and guess what...

Yes, he does indicate but it's all too late.

Fortunately, I was aware enough of his stupidity and managed to avoid a
head on collision and he probably has a bill for a paint job on the
passenger side door now but who cares.

Anyway, I had to be somewhere and really could not be bothered with a
confrontation and so just went on my merry way. However, in hindsight,
I should have got all his details and gone to the police etc, but all
this stuff is stressful. I've been cycling about 5 years now and this
has happened to me several times. I just get fed up.

I should also mention that the driver was of a different nationality
and clearly had his own interpretation of the Highway Code. One might
wonder how such individuals are granted a driving licence when they
drive so badly...well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
of how badly and dangerously they drive. The next minute, these
individuals are on the roads...

--
dannyfrankszzz

Your last paragraph seems to be entirely based on supposition and prejudice
so I will assume that your entire story is made up for 'political' reasons.

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

dannyfrankszzz wrote:

<snipped racist>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There seems to be a distinguishable driving capability / responsibility
between different cultures. - Not racist but culturist!

There seems to be a distinguishable racist sentiment in this post.
Factual clarification would be apprpeciated.
Thanks, Peter

dannyfrankszzz said:

Nearly killed by a coach on Tuesday and now an idiot nearly takes me
out today.

Sorry to hear that.

Quoted message said:

I should also mention that the driver was of a different nationality
and clearly had his own interpretation of the Highway Code.

Feeling less sorry.

Quoted message said:

One might wonder how such individuals are granted a driving licence
when they drive so badly...well, let me explain: they usually arrive
in this country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities
in their own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum.

Not sorry at all.

Quoted message said:

Once they get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English
very well. An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver.
However, their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their
community they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum
regardless of how badly and dangerously they drive. The next minute,
these individuals are on the roads...

I hope the next one knocks you off, you racist [censored].

--
Stevie D
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Peter said:

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

dannyfrankszzz wrote:

<snipped racist>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There seems to be a distinguishable driving capability / responsibility
between different cultures. - Not racist but culturist!

There seems to be a distinguishable racist sentiment in this post.

A factual clarification would be appreciated.

Quoted message said:

Factual clarification would be apprpeciated.
Thanks, Peter

Anyone who's been to Italy, *for example* will have experienced that
particular culture's different driving style. - Independent of race.

What part of "Not racist but culturist" didn't you understand?

Quoted message said:

OG said:

"dannyfrankszzz" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nearly killed by a coach on Tuesday and now an idiot nearly takes me out
today.

Cycling along a busy main road in North London. Parked cars on the
left, two lanes of traffic on the right. I'm on the inside doing about
16-18mph. A motorist overtakes me doing a bit more.

So, he should be aware of where I am and roughly what speed I'm doing.
However, he suddenly decides he needs to take a left and guess what...

Yes, he does indicate but it's all too late.

Fortunately, I was aware enough of his stupidity and managed to avoid a
head on collision and he probably has a bill for a paint job on the
passenger side door now but who cares.

Anyway, I had to be somewhere and really could not be bothered with a
confrontation and so just went on my merry way. However, in hindsight,
I should have got all his details and gone to the police etc, but all
this stuff is stressful. I've been cycling about 5 years now and this
has happened to me several times. I just get fed up.

I should also mention that the driver was of a different nationality
and clearly had his own interpretation of the Highway Code. One might
wonder how such individuals are granted a driving licence when they
drive so badly...well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
of how badly and dangerously they drive. The next minute, these
individuals are on the roads...

--
dannyfrankszzz

Your last paragraph seems to be entirely based on supposition and prejudice
so I will assume that your entire story is made up for 'political' reasons.

Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he
thinks what he does. - You have most to learn from those you *disagree*
with.

The fact is, different EU countries, have different standards. There are
steps to harmonize these, see (far example)

http://www.skillsforlogistics.org/documents/eudirectiveinfo.pdf

Quoted message said:

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he thinks
what he does. - You have most to learn from those you *disagree* with.

He is claiming to know how "it usually happens"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
of how badly and dangerously they drive.

The absolutely explicit presumption of bribery and 'foreign' collusion is
typical of the lies spawned by racists.

It is not worth 'engaging' with racists because they do not have an agenda
that is amenable to argument. It is possible that the OP is not one of these
racist liars, in which case he needs to be careful that he doesn't just
accept and propagate the racist attitudes of others.

You talk about 'learning' from those I disagree with, should I try to
'learn from' housebreakers and fraudsters too?

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:38:23 +0100, "OG" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You talk about 'learning' from those I disagree with, should I try to
'learn from' housebreakers and fraudsters too?

A moment's thought reveals some areas of information about which the
average person would be very grateful to become better informed, ones
which a house-breaker and/or fraudster would, by definition, be the
best source of such information.

OG said:

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he thinks
what he does. - You have most to learn from those you *disagree* with.

He is claiming to know how "it usually happens"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
> country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
> own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
> get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
> An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
> their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
> they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
> of how badly and dangerously they drive.

The absolutely explicit presumption of bribery and 'foreign' collusion is
typical of the lies spawned by racists.

It is not worth 'engaging' with racists because they do not have an agenda
that is amenable to argument. It is possible that the OP is not one of these
racist liars, in which case he needs to be careful that he doesn't just
accept and propagate the racist attitudes of others.

You talk about 'learning' from those I disagree with, should I try to
'learn from' housebreakers and fraudsters too?

Yes. - I'm sure a housebreaker could inform you how to protect your
house, and a fraudster on to avoid their particular brand of fraud.

Think of it another way; what could you learn from someone who thinks
the same way, knows the same things, and agrees with every thing you say?

Ideas should be tested, and we should test our own prejudices by arguing
with those who put forward those ideas.

He thinks the way he does for a reason. - What are those reasons? First
hand knowledge / hearsay / publications / propaganda / a preconception
of his culture etc?

Quoted message said:

On 25/08/2006 22:51, dannyfrankszzz said,

Quoted message said:

I should also mention that the driver was of a different nationality
and clearly had his own interpretation of the Highway Code. One might
wonder how such individuals are granted a driving licence when they
drive so badly...well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
of how badly and dangerously they drive. The next minute, these
individuals are on the roads...

You managed to get all that information, without even stopping to
confront the driver. Amazing!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

OG said:

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he
thinks what he does. - You have most to learn from those you *disagree*
with.

He is claiming to know how "it usually happens"

Quoted message said:

>> well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
>> country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in
>> their
>> own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once
>> they
>> get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
>> An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
>> their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
>> they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum
>> regardless
>> of how badly and dangerously they drive.

The absolutely explicit presumption of bribery and 'foreign' collusion is
typical of the lies spawned by racists.

It is not worth 'engaging' with racists because they do not have an
agenda that is amenable to argument. It is possible that the OP is not
one of these racist liars, in which case he needs to be careful that he
doesn't just accept and propagate the racist attitudes of others.

You talk about 'learning' from those I disagree with, should I try to
'learn from' housebreakers and fraudsters too?

Yes. - I'm sure a housebreaker could inform you how to protect your house,
and a fraudster on to avoid their particular brand of fraud.

Go back to what you said (a-propos the racist),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you disagree with his sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and
understand why he thinks what he does.

The equivalent of this (a-propos the housebreaker/fraudster) would be to try
and understand why he thinks what he does. Clearly, a housebreaker thinks
that theft is an acceptable lifestyle choice; in what way would I benefit
from that? Are you proposing that I should be open to accepting the same
lifestyle?

Quoted message said:

Think of it another way; what could you learn from someone who thinks the
same way, knows the same things, and agrees with every thing you say?

Ideas should be tested, and we should test our own prejudices by arguing
with those who put forward those ideas.

He's not putting forward 'ideas', he is putting forward distortions,
generalisations and untruths.

In article <[email hidden]>

Paul Boyd said:

On 25/08/2006 22:51, dannyfrankszzz said,

Quoted message said:

I should also mention that the driver was of a different nationality
and clearly had his own interpretation of the Highway Code. One might
wonder how such individuals are granted a driving licence when they
drive so badly...well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in their
own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once they
get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum regardless
of how badly and dangerously they drive. The next minute, these
individuals are on the roads...

You managed to get all that information, without even stopping to
confront the driver. Amazing!

You don't need to talk to people, just read the Daily Mail.

On 26/08/2006 15:52, Rob Morley said,

Quoted message said:

You don't need to talk to people, just read the Daily Mail.

No thanks :-)

The point I was making, which it seems now that many others have picked
up on, is that he was making very generalised assumptions about the
driver that cut him up.

His paragraph with that rant in started "I should also mention that the
driver was of a different nationality", so the paragraph, by the very
nature of what paragraphs represent, was about the driver that cut him up.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

In article <[email hidden]>

Paul Boyd said:

On 26/08/2006 15:52, Rob Morley said,

Quoted message said:

You don't need to talk to people, just read the Daily Mail.

No thanks :-)

"Know your enemy" ;^>

Quoted message said:

The point I was making, which it seems now that many others have picked
up on, is that he was making very generalised assumptions about the
driver that cut him up.

His paragraph with that rant in started "I should also mention that the
driver was of a different nationality", so the paragraph, by the very
nature of what paragraphs represent, was about the driver that cut him up.

It was also such obvious bollocks that the poster is either a troll or
incapable of reasoned discussion ...
I liked Stevie D's response. :-)

OG said:

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

OG said:

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
> sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he
> thinks what he does. - You have most to learn from those you *disagree*
> with.
He is claiming to know how "it usually happens"
>>> well, let me explain: they usually arrive in this
>>> country claiming asylum having bribed the relevant authorities in
>>> their
>>> own countries to allow them to fly to the UK to seek asylum. Once
>>> they
>>> get to the UK, they are unemployed and don't speak English very well.
>>> An easy and quick way to earn a living is as a cab driver. However,
>>> their driving is appalling; that doesn't matter, in their community
>>> they know a test centre who will pass them for the right sum
>>> regardless
>>> of how badly and dangerously they drive.
The absolutely explicit presumption of bribery and 'foreign' collusion is
typical of the lies spawned by racists.

It is not worth 'engaging' with racists because they do not have an
agenda that is amenable to argument. It is possible that the OP is not
one of these racist liars, in which case he needs to be careful that he
doesn't just accept and propagate the racist attitudes of others.

You talk about 'learning' from those I disagree with, should I try to
'learn from' housebreakers and fraudsters too?

Yes. - I'm sure a housebreaker could inform you how to protect your house,
and a fraudster on to avoid their particular brand of fraud.

Go back to what you said (a-propos the racist),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you disagree with his sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and
understand why he thinks what he does.

The equivalent of this (a-propos the housebreaker/fraudster) would be to try
and understand why he thinks what he does. Clearly, a housebreaker thinks
that theft is an acceptable lifestyle choice; in what way would I benefit
from that?

There are benefits; a quick 'google' on the subject of "criminal
psychology" should help.

Quoted message said:

Are you proposing that I should be open to accepting the same
lifestyle?

If you mean following that lifestyle, then no. If you mean understanding
that lifestyle, then yes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Think of it another way; what could you learn from someone who thinks the
same way, knows the same things, and agrees with every thing you say?

Ideas should be tested, and we should test our own prejudices by arguing
with those who put forward those ideas.

He's not putting forward 'ideas', he is putting forward distortions,
generalisations and untruths.

They are ideas; "a notion, thought, impression, conception, any product
of intellectual action".

To defeat true racism, you must understand what it is, and what
propagates it.

Restore:

"He thinks the way he does for a reason. - What are those reasons? First
hand knowledge / hearsay / publications / propaganda / a preconception
of his culture etc? "

Quoted message said:

On 26/08/2006 17:05, Rob Morley said,

Quoted message said:

I liked Stevie D's response. :-)

Yes - that's how I felt as I read through the OP :-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

"Pea Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he thinks
what he does. - You have most to learn from those you *disagree* with.

Right then lets all go to uk.transport and engage in all the ranting,
raving, flame wars and petrolhead propaganda that gets spouted over there.
I'm sure we'll all be educated in the extreme.

On 26/08/2006 11:29, Pea Curry said,

Quoted message said:

Why is everyone so sensitive? - PC gone mad. If you disagree with his
sentiment, surely it's better to engage him, and understand why he
thinks what he does.

It's a little difficult to engage someone who does a hit'n'run post.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/