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  1. Ok Ok i kno this isnt uni stuff but i kno that alot of you like Bike
    trials aswell. I just got this awsome Movie! Its called Manifesto which
    most of you kno is a term used on Trials that means, to eliminate all
    setup hops. The entire movie is filmed without a single setup hop, its
    AMAZING!!!

    I say that if your looking for a good movie to sit and watch then this
    is a good one.

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  2. I've heard about that film, aswell as watching a few clips. and it is
    amazing I would love to see that.

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  3. Yeah...It would be nice to see a uni vid like this...But if you watch a
    Ryan Atkins or Zack Baldwin video there are very few if any setup hops
    there too.

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  4. trials_uni said:

    Yeah...It would be nice to see a uni vid like this...But if you watch a
    Ryan Atkins or Zack Baldwin video there are very few if any setup hops
    there too.

    True. any who I made a clip with only 1 set up hop. the second time It
    would have been zero but one of the supports broke on the last
    post🙄

    http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/?g2_itemId=278128

    its nothing special, no big technical moves like you might see from
    Ryan, unfortunatly

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  5. I would love to own that movie, I like watching bike trials, BMX stuff,
    and mountain biking, but I don't even spend the money to buy all the
    uni videos out there, so I guess I'm out of luck. 🙁

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  6. it can consider being close if you cut the beginning

    http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/?g2_itemId=278163

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  7. Just beware of fads and arbitrary "religions" such as no pre-hops. Ryan
    Atkins used to be the king of prehops - lots and lots of them - and he
    still blew everybody away.

    Think of slalom ski racing - how it has developed. It used to be all
    about have your skis parallel, and your feet together. Now you're
    losing time if you aren't skating out of the gate. Since the goal in
    ski racing is to go faster than everybody else, skating is something
    you are going to have to do.

    The basic idea is that -your goal determines your technique-.
    Everything else is secondary.

    If your goal is to look graceful, eliminating prehops is a good thing
    to do. It eventually makes one's motions much more pleasing to the eye
    of the observer.

    If your goal is to win a trials competition, then grace is secondary.
    Eliminating prehops may or may not improve your position in the
    competition. The goal here is not pleasing the observer, but to avoid
    losing points.

    If your goal is to jump higher than anyone else, prehops may improve
    your height. The goal here is to clear a bar. The bar does not care
    about grace.

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  8. just to be sure... setup hops are diffenrent than prehops and I think
    prehops are aloud in the manifesto style

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  9. prehops are allowed and encouraged, no setup or recovery hops though.
    riding manifesto style helps progression as it forces you to be more
    precise and controlled

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  10. Sorry for the terminology. I should have said -setup -hops. Look at
    Ryan's older vids, and you see lots of setup hops.

    Eliminating setup hops too early in your riding development may stifle
    your sense of timing and muscle development. All I'm sayin' is: don't
    start a religion here. Have a lot of tools in your toolbox and learn
    when to use them.

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  11. all i'm saying is setup hops don't help you at all. The reason you see
    more in ryan's earlier vids is he wasn't as controlled as he is now. if
    anything, it'll help your timing not to mention the energy those little
    pogo hops waste.

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  12. In the articles and tutorial section of this forum, I made a little
    trials guide about getting rid of setup hops.

    I have one segment of me doing a lot of them on a tiny line, and it
    takes about 20 seconds to finish the line, and another shot of me
    mounting, hop onto the bench, hop onto the table, hop to the other side
    of the table, hop on the bench, then hop down, no setup hops. =p

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  13. onetrack said:

    all i'm saying is setup hops don't help you at all. The reason you see
    more in ryan's earlier vids is he wasn't as controlled as he is now. if
    anything, it'll help your timing not to mention the energy those little
    pogo hops waste.

    I appreciate that point of view, but I don't agree that it's necessarily
    true, for at least three reasons:

    1) for a given person at a given point in their development, setup hops
    may be the way for them best to handle a situation. So, in a
    competition, which takes place in time, the rider should handle a
    situation in whatever manner gives him/her the best chance of winning.

    2) setup hops do cost energy, but they may have benefits too, such as
    buying thinking time. They use a slightly different muscle set than
    the bigger hops. They allow blood to pump through your legs better
    than a still stand. They allow one to change one's mind mid-line.
    They may give your legs a better feel for the terrain you are on at the
    moment in preparation for the next move. They can help you get your
    pedals in a better position for the next move. So it's not obvious to
    me that "they don't help you at all."

    3) in Ryan Atkins' short interview on Defect, he says that when he
    wants to make a line harder, then he tries to do it in fewer hops. I
    don't have the disk in front of me, but I assume that includes setup
    hops. His typical line now includes up to 1-10+ setup hops per
    location (See Rails, Big Moves...). The implication here is that the
    ability to use setup hops makes the line easier. Ryan hasn't stopped
    using setup hops as he has developed. Eliminating the setup hops,
    then, has to have justification, which is primarily aesthetic - it
    simply looks better - and may actually hurt one's trials/technical
    performance in a given place/time.

    To me it's clear that setup hops play a valuable role in riding and
    that a blanket "manifesto" to eliminate them is inappropriate.
    However, the effort to do so may be very instructive and add a valuable
    tool to one's riding - a tool that can be used when it is the right
    time to do so.

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  14. I really think that the only way to get rid of setup hops is either when
    you doing an easy line or one that you have worked on before.

    I know that when I am doing a new line or trying a different variation
    of a line, I will either do a few setup hops to point out where to jump
    form and where to land. Once I get a line down and know exactly what I
    do, I do it all in one smooth motion, or at least try to.

    Also, during natural trials, a few setup hops are good too, landing on
    rocks and having your pedal or tire in an awkward position makes it
    hard to jump from it, so about 2-4 setup hops help and get you to the
    point that you can jump to the next obstacle.

    When learning, improvising, doing something new, use some setup hops.
    Once you know your lines and what you can do, try to get rid of them

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  15. U-Turn,

    I completely dig, and agree with what you have to say.

    I DON'T try to get rid of ALL of my set-up hops, unless the line is
    easy. So, I suppose I take the 'atkins manifesto.' If I'm doing an
    easy line, I'm usually doing it so quick, and I'm so used to it, that I
    don't use any set-up hops.

    I don't think set-up hops are an entirely bad thing. I just try to
    keep them at a minimal. It keeps my head more clear, and focused, and
    it saves energy. I think that it allows me to be more precise.

    My riding has gotten to a point that, by default, I don't corrective
    hop much anymore. I see that as a good thing, because I'm not
    stressing over how many hops I'm doing in a line as much.

    Jerrick,

    you also put it into realistic terms. I think that Ryan Leech spent
    something like 30mins, for only 11 seconds of footy, at one point!
    That's not very practical.

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  16. Lol, Manifesto is ooooolllld. Like 2 years old now.

    Ryan Atkins is without a doubt the Ryan Leech of unicycling.

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  17. Ok, I don't get it - what is the difference between setup hops and
    prehops?

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    Ha Quebec...Is that place still there?


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  18. onetrack said:

    all i'm saying is setup hops don't help you at all. The reason you see
    more in ryan's earlier vids is he wasn't as controlled as he is now. if
    anything, it'll help your timing not to mention the energy those little
    pogo hops waste.

    It's much more tireing to do it without setup hops or "pogo sticking".
    With the little hops in place you can rest, size up the jump, then do
    it, without those you have to concentrate so much more.

    If you actually go out and try it, it's harder.

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  19. dudewithasock said:

    Ok, I don't get it - what is the difference between setup hops and
    prehops?

    Prehops are when you want to jump higher or further... a prehop is only
    one hop that you do in the direction you want to jump.

    The other gay hops that everyone do are call setup hops.

    oh and dont be against manifesto style if you just CANT do it.... It's
    is a little bit harder but look WAY smoother and I think that
    important. It also help if you dont want to slip during natural trial.

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  20. I was out today doing a little manifesto style...i wasnt very good at it
    though...Its so much harder than it looks.

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