Phonak disband

by Simon Brooke:

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4793965.stm

Unsurprising, but sad.

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This is maybe the only way the sport may change. More and more sponsors
will pull out because of the scandals. Remember Casino, Polti, Festina,
MAPEI ?!?
The UCI are lucky that there are still T-mobile, QuickStep, Disco and
CSC pumping (almost) unlimited $/€ into road cycling.

"Cyrus De Kline" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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by Simon Brooke:

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4793965.stm

Unsurprising, but sad.

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This is maybe the only way the sport may change. More and more sponsors
will pull out because of the scandals. Remember Casino, Polti, Festina,
MAPEI ?!?
The UCI are lucky that there are still T-mobile, QuickStep, Disco and
CSC pumping (almost) unlimited $/? into road cycling.

Skoda has declined to renew its Tour relationship after 2007. I think race
organizers may find a growing problem on their hands. Time will tell.

And then there was Once -- gone as well. Rider salaries will come down
but pharma keeps going up...
Best,
Bill Black

B. Lafferty said:

"Cyrus De Kline" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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by Simon Brooke:

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4793965.stm

Unsurprising, but sad.

--

This is maybe the only way the sport may change. More and more sponsors
will pull out because of the scandals. Remember Casino, Polti, Festina,
MAPEI ?!?
The UCI are lucky that there are still T-mobile, QuickStep, Disco and
CSC pumping (almost) unlimited $/? into road cycling.

Skoda has declined to renew its Tour relationship after 2007. I think race
organizers may find a growing problem on their hands. Time will tell.

billb said:

And then there was Once -- gone as well. Rider salaries will come down
but pharma keeps going up...

That's one way to attack doping... sure they'll still get the juice but
maybe not the advice and supervision to beat the tests. Well one can
dream.

The real cash flow evaluation is probably wether there's more money going
into testing and controls or into doping and evasion.

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Lafferty (') said:

"Cyrus De Kline" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

by Simon Brooke:

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4793965.stm

Unsurprising, but sad.

This is maybe the only way the sport may change. More and more sponsors
will pull out because of the scandals. Remember Casino, Polti, Festina,
MAPEI ?!?
The UCI are lucky that there are still T-mobile, QuickStep, Disco and
CSC pumping (almost) unlimited $/? into road cycling.

Skoda has declined to renew its Tour relationship after 2007. I think
race
organizers may find a growing problem on their hands. Time will tell.

/please/ try to quote properly. It's hellish hard to see what you've
added to the thread.

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Simon Brooke said:

/please/ try to quote properly. It's hellish hard to see what you've
added to the thread.

Some of his fans on rbr would say he regularly adds nothing.

Jonathan D. Proulx:

Quoted message said:

The real cash flow evaluation is probably wether there's more money going
into testing and controls or into doping and evasion.

The sponsors should be forced to pay a large amount of $/€ directly
dedicated to doping controls if they want to obtain a pro tour licence
(or whatever "guarantees" a tdf start). What other basic sources of
money does the mutli-millon business of pro cycling have? TV rights,
maybe. A large part of that income has to go into controls, too.
IMHO, that's the only way of dealing with the problem beside polics
raids.

As discussed before, the risk of beeing caught is still low enough for
riders to try to get around controls. There are not enough controls
because they are "expensive". Even at the the tdf. Flandis wouldn't
have been tested on stage 17 if he let another guy win the stage, would
he? How many times was Klöden tested this year? He never a stage, he
never wore yellow. Flandis' other samples were not tested for exogenous
testoterone either.

A tighter doping control system costs money. And there is enough money
in cycling, it has just to go into the right place.

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Cyrus De Kline said:

Jonathan D. Proulx:

Quoted message said:

The real cash flow evaluation is probably wether there's more money going
into testing and controls or into doping and evasion.

The sponsors should be forced to pay a large amount of $/€ directly
dedicated to doping controls if they want to obtain a pro tour licence
(or whatever "guarantees" a tdf start). What other basic sources of
money does the mutli-millon business of pro cycling have? TV rights,
maybe. A large part of that income has to go into controls, too.
IMHO, that's the only way of dealing with the problem beside polics
raids.

As discussed before, the risk of beeing caught is still low enough for
riders to try to get around controls. There are not enough controls
because they are "expensive". Even at the the tdf. Flandis wouldn't
have been tested on stage 17 if he let another guy win the stage, would
he? How many times was Klöden tested this year? He never a stage, he
never wore yellow. Flandis' other samples were not tested for exogenous
testoterone either.

A tighter doping control system costs money. And there is enough money
in cycling, it has just to go into the right place.

Save money. Spend nothing on doping controls. Better
hanged for a ram than a lamb. They'll only have rumour and
innuendo, but no positive tests.

--
Michael Press

This just one more reason why UCI needs to implement a first offense
lifetime ban for doping. I urge everyone to email or write
UCI.......!! Cycling can no longer afford to wait. Let's send a clear
and defininative message that doping will not be tolerated....!!!

Simon Brooke said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4793965.stm

Unsurprising, but sad.

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Munro (') said:

Simon Brooke said:

/please/ try to quote properly. It's hellish hard to see what you've
added to the thread.

Some of his fans on rbr would say he regularly adds nothing.

Hey, glasshouse dwellers don't throw stones.

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