What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
Yesterday I went for a ride with 8 other FM's and we got a good rotation going. We worked on our paceline and had 60km of rolling terrain at an average speed of 39 km/h. There was one guy who screwed up the rhythm by always accelerating when he was first, and kept pedaling hard for 3-4 strokes when he should have been soft-pedaling. This caused problems for everyone, particularly the 2-3 of us behind him. Does anyone have any tips on how to communicate to someone how to properly ride in a rotation/echelon/whaddayacalit? Everyone was telling him different things and at 40+km/h it was hard for him to hear anyway, so it was just like that the whole way. After the ride we didn't take it up because this was the first motivational ride for a team we are starting so no point in getting him worked up about it now. But I'd like to put together a little presentation for our planning/tactics meeting so everyone can benefit from it, myslef included.
So, tips for info on good sources of echelon descriptions, etc?
What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
Yesterday I went for a ride with 8 other FM's and we got a good rotation going. We worked on our paceline and had 60km of rolling terrain at an average speed of 39 km/h. There was one guy who screwed up the rhythm by always accelerating when he was first, and kept pedaling hard for 3-4 strokes when he should have been soft-pedaling. This caused problems for everyone, particularly the 2-3 of us behind him. Does anyone have any tips on how to communicate to someone how to properly ride in a rotation/echelon/whaddayacalit? Everyone was telling him different things and at 40+km/h it was hard for him to hear anyway, so it was just like that the whole way. After the ride we didn't take it up because this was the first motivational ride for a team we are starting so no point in getting him worked up about it now. But I'd like to put together a little presentation for our planning/tactics meeting so everyone can benefit from it, myslef included.
So, tips for info on good sources of echelon descriptions, etc?
Joseph
Punch that guy in the mouth and kick him off the team. You either know how to ride your bike or you don't. There's no learning curve.
p.s. cycling snobs like the guy above are doomed to ride with idiots if they don't try to teach others.
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What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
Yesterday I went for a ride with 8 other FM's and we got a good rotation going. We worked on our paceline and had 60km of rolling terrain at an average speed of 39 km/h. There was one guy who screwed up the rhythm by always accelerating when he was first, and kept pedaling hard for 3-4 strokes when he should have been soft-pedaling. This caused problems for everyone, particularly the 2-3 of us behind him. Does anyone have any tips on how to communicate to someone how to properly ride in a rotation/echelon/whaddayacalit? Everyone was telling him different things and at 40+km/h it was hard for him to hear anyway, so it was just like that the whole way. After the ride we didn't take it up because this was the first motivational ride for a team we are starting so no point in getting him worked up about it now. But I'd like to put together a little presentation for our planning/tactics meeting so everyone can benefit from it, myslef included.
So, tips for info on good sources of echelon descriptions, etc?
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What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
Yesterday I went for a ride with 8 other FM's and we got a good rotation going. We worked on our paceline and had 60km of rolling terrain at an average speed of 39 km/h. There was one guy who screwed up the rhythm by always accelerating when he was first, and kept pedaling hard for 3-4 strokes when he should have been soft-pedaling. This caused problems for everyone, particularly the 2-3 of us behind him. Does anyone have any tips on how to communicate to someone how to properly ride in a rotation/echelon/whaddayacalit? Everyone was telling him different things and at 40+km/h it was hard for him to hear anyway, so it was just like that the whole way. After the ride we didn't take it up because this was the first motivational ride for a team we are starting so no point in getting him worked up about it now. But I'd like to put together a little presentation for our planning/tactics meeting so everyone can benefit from it, myslef included.
So, tips for info on good sources of echelon descriptions, etc?
What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
Yesterday I went for a ride with 8 other FM's and we got a good rotation going. We worked on our paceline and had 60km of rolling terrain at an average speed of 39 km/h. There was one guy who screwed up the rhythm by always accelerating when he was first, and kept pedaling hard for 3-4 strokes when he should have been soft-pedaling. This caused problems for everyone, particularly the 2-3 of us behind him. Does anyone have any tips on how to communicate to someone how to properly ride in a rotation/echelon/whaddayacalit? Everyone was telling him different things and at 40+km/h it was hard for him to hear anyway, so it was just like that the whole way. After the ride we didn't take it up because this was the first motivational ride for a team we are starting so no point in getting him worked up about it now. But I'd like to put together a little presentation for our planning/tactics meeting so everyone can benefit from it, myslef included.
So, tips for info on good sources of echelon descriptions, etc?
Joseph
Rotating paceline.
Tell him not to make any adjustment to his speed (up or down). A cycle computer helps one keep the same pace (if needed). The whole idea of the paceline is that the overall speed never changes (unless it is agreed upon).
Thanks for the links. The problem is the guy knows all that, but can't seem to figure it out in practice. Short of video and showing it to him afterward, I don't really know a good way to expain to him what he is doing wrong. I'm no expert myself, but I sort of look down a bit when I am in front and just as the rider I am overtaking has their wheel right at about my cranks, I start moving over. It's up to the rider I am cutting in on to adjust the gap. I then soft pedal immediatly often dropping a cog. If that sounds like a reasonable approach, I may just use my own description at our tactics/logistics meeting and claim it comes from some trusted source other than me!
We have high hopes for the team. The first year for the team was 2005 and there were great results for a debut start, including a time of 15:13 for the main event which is a 540km race. That is a great time for a first time attempt. This year the administrative side of things fell apart and there was essentially no team. But the interest has risen again for next year so things are picking up steam. Lots of folks ready for a 14 hour attempt!
What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
Yesterday I went for a ride with 8 other FM's and we got a good rotation going. We worked on our paceline and had 60km of rolling terrain at an average speed of 39 km/h. There was one guy who screwed up the rhythm by always accelerating when he was first, and kept pedaling hard for 3-4 strokes when he should have been soft-pedaling. This caused problems for everyone, particularly the 2-3 of us behind him. Does anyone have any tips on how to communicate to someone how to properly ride in a rotation/echelon/whaddayacalit? Everyone was telling him different things and at 40+km/h it was hard for him to hear anyway, so it was just like that the whole way. After the ride we didn't take it up because this was the first motivational ride for a team we are starting so no point in getting him worked up about it now. But I'd like to put together a little presentation for our planning/tactics meeting so everyone can benefit from it, myslef included.
So, tips for info on good sources of echelon descriptions, etc?
Joseph
Another tip might be to suggest the point of the double paceline is to protect as many riders as possible for as long as possible. Ask him to think about protecting the guy that came off the front just ahead of him by moving over as soon as he is by him, and not gapping him.
Also, I second the point about keeping the speed the same. It's difficult for novices because it feels harder when they go to the front because they are exposed to the wind, so they push harder, but overdo it.
Thanks for the links. The problem is the guy knows all that, but can't seem to figure it out in practice. Short of video and showing it to him afterward, I don't really know a good way to expain to him what he is doing wrong.
Tell him to ride easier than he thinks he should.
JT
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I always use my speedometer this way, but I think most people don't think of it, and many who do believe it is wrong to use your speedometer this way, I think they are the incarnation of former pilots who flew by the "seat of their pants", though flying only by instruments later became a better test of flying ability (at least, that's my impression).
-ilan
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Tell him not to make any adjustment to his speed (up or down). A cycle computer helps one keep the same pace (if needed). The whole idea of the paceline is that the overall speed never changes (unless it is agreed upon).
What is the English/American term for a constantly rotating two row paceline? The term echelon I believe is for a similar technique, but offset at an angle to account for crosswind. What's it called straight ahead? A "rotation"?
