Wheelset advice

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Get number 2 or use Velocity Aeroheads unlkess you are a 'heavy' rider
in terms of weight or 'style'...After getting same from MO, have a good
wheelbuilder true, round, tension, dish and stress relieve same. You
will be getting a better hubset, a better wheel all around, not as many
coffee shop points as all.

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Number 2 for me. Cup-and-cone bearings, well sealed, good longevity,
all spare parts readily available.

There was a recall on some Shimano front QR skewers recently:
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/voluntary_recall.html
or via:
http://www.shimano.com

If you are getting a set of hubs that might have been around the shop
for a while, see if it's one of the affected types, and if so, make
sure that the front skewer has been replaced.

If getting them built to order, make sure that you get real brass spoke
nipples - you can save a few grammes by getting alu. or other fance
nipples, but they're not so good for longevity.

I've no experience with the suppliers you mention, but I'd sooner get
'em built by a good local wheelbuilder (if you have/can find one), who
can discuss spoking options with you face to face, and who is available
to stand over the work. It'll probably cost a it more than mail order,
but IMHO, probably worth it.

I'd also save some money on the hubs and get Ultegra or 105. No
functional difference, but Dura Ace is a bit lighter:
DA rear : 264g front 129g
Ultegra rear 347g front 140g

....100g in the difference? Not for my money, but I'm not racing or
particularly focused on weight -YMMV.

hth,

bookieb

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

mavic cosmos. reliable, light, low end of your price range, their
sealed bearings survive the wet much better if you ever ride in rain as
i've tested over the last couple of winters. as with any pre-built
wheel, do not let your lbs "help" their spoke tension.

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Hi, have Peter at Vecchio's build you a set using either #2 or as
suggested Velocity Aeroheads.

I had a set built with DA hubs and Velocity Aeroheads 28F, 32R. The
rear is the OC version.

I have over 8000 miles on these wheels, all problem free.

Consider substituting Ultegra hubs, if on a budget.

Life is Good!
Jeff

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Per Peter Chisholm and A. Muzi's advice here, I had built a set of
Velocity Aeroheads (OC rear) on my Campy hubs. The OC rear has held up
very well to my weight and pounding up hills; the front has taken a few
good whacks in unseen holes or ridges and held up fine as well. Like
they say, "good stuff", and they are available in colors (see "trick",
below).

Coffee shop points? I've discussed with all and sundry that these
wheels are *really* trick, as the rims are light, easily replaceable
(conventional parts, no special order stuff or trips to the factory),
and with 36 spokes, likely to be really durable with a miniscule
performance price. Not to mention, try popping a spoke 30 miles from
home, riding on "your" 28's while I use my 36's.

Event wheels for events.

Using one of the wheelsets you mention above, not #2, a light and very
expert local rider (no curb hopping, etc.) broke a rear hub flange,
when "new". "Hey, they have a great warranty!" <g>
--D-y

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VeloJon said:

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Definately CC.

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

I have the Performance built wheels. Maybe actually built by
Wheelsmith since they use Wheelsmith 14/15 spokes. I have the Record
hub version of the wheel you list. Open Pro. 32 spoke. 3 cross.
Brass nipples. I stress relieved the spokes by the squeezing method
and added a turn or two to the spokes on both wheels and
retrued/adjusted. Only a few hundred miles on them so far since they
went on the bike I completed July 4. I paid about $260 delivered after
10% discount, 10% Team Performance rebate, and about $25 shipping
charge. No complaints.

Also bought a set of regular wheels from Excel Sports in 1998. They
are also fine. I'm a big fan of mail order wheels. Parts are cheaper
than you can buy them individually.

If you go with the Dura Ace hub wheel, remember it ONLY takes 10 speed
cassettes. You cannot put a 8 or 9 speed cassette on the Dura Ace 10
speed hub due to the aluminum hub body. Performance also sells the
same wheel with Ultegra hubs too I think.

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VeloJon wrote:

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If you go with the Dura Ace hub wheel, remember it ONLY takes 10 speed
cassettes. You cannot put a 8 or 9 speed cassette on the Dura Ace 10
speed hub due to the aluminum hub body. Performance also sells the
same wheel with Ultegra hubs too I think.

Presuming he gets the newer FH7800 instead of an FH7700. Yeah, Shimano
only lists the FH7800 for the US market, now, but I just searched and
there are quite a few FH77000 Dura-Ace 8/9 sp rear hubs around.
Another option which might work (not sure, since I avoid 10sp stuff -
does not make since as I no longer race and it add no functionality) is
to get a wheel build on an FH7800 hub and replace the freehub body with
an FH7700 one. Not sure if they are interchangeable, but if not it is
something new for Shimano.

- rick

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

I vote for some version of #2. You get something rugged, and you can
get the quality and mix of components you want. I would further vote
that you find a good wheelbuilder, or start building yourself. If you
get a quality hub, you can go through a number of rims in the lifecycle
of the hub if you keep rebuilding wheels re-using the hub. My daily
commute bike uses a set of Phil Wood hubs ... expensive at the time,
but they are now 27 years old, have many, many, many thousands of
miles, are still covered in part by warranty, and just keep on rolling.
I go through a rim every 2-3 years on them, but it just takes a new
rim and an hour or so of my time to get it rolling again. A good hub
is a long-term investment :-) My favorite hubs are Phil Wood (2 sets
now), Dura-Ace and Ultegra, and Chris King.

As for rims, Open Pros are fine but I like Velocity rims, too. The
Aerohead (front)/Aerohead OC (rear) rims would make a nice set of
wheels for your purposes.

- rick

Rick said:

Quoted message said:

VeloJon wrote:

Quoted message said:

If you go with the Dura Ace hub wheel, remember it ONLY takes 10 speed
cassettes. You cannot put a 8 or 9 speed cassette on the Dura Ace 10
speed hub due to the aluminum hub body. Performance also sells the
same wheel with Ultegra hubs too I think.

Presuming he gets the newer FH7800 instead of an FH7700. Yeah, Shimano
only lists the FH7800 for the US market, now, but I just searched and
there are quite a few FH77000 Dura-Ace 8/9 sp rear hubs around.

Performance only has the 10 speed Dura Ace hub wheel. And the question
asker asked about Performance built wheels.

Quoted message said:

Another option which might work (not sure, since I avoid 10sp stuff -
does not make since as I no longer race and it add no functionality) is
to get a wheel build on an FH7800 hub and replace the freehub body with
an FH7700 one. Not sure if they are interchangeable, but if not it is
something new for Shimano.

- rick

VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

I would go with option #2. I have a set of Ultegra/Mavic CXP33s 36
spoke that were built for me by Colorado Cyclist. I bought the wheels
because some of my riding involves rough gravel roads and I had
problems breaking spokes on my stock Lemond Poprad wheels. The new
wheels have been on my bike almost 3 years now, are still in true, and
have never seen a spoke wrench. I would highly recommend Colorado
Cyclist based on my experience.

Smokey

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VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Plenty of good advice already. Consider talking to a good
wheel builder first, since you will need to have the set
of wheels dressed anyway.

--
Michael Press

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VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Plenty of good advice already. Consider talking to a good
wheel builder first, since you will need to have the set
of wheels dressed anyway.

What is dressed?

JT

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VeloJon said:

I am an avid recreational roadie who rides in a hilly area looking for
a durable & light wheelset in the $300-400 range. After reading many
reviews and posts, I am looking at:
1) Neuvation M 28 Aeros
2) Mavic Open Pro / Dura Ace
3) Easton Circuits

Any feedback on these or others is welcome. With option 2), any
opinions on the ones built by Colorado Cyclist or Performance? Any
advice welcome. Thx, VJ

Plenty of good advice already. Consider talking to a good
wheel builder first, since you will need to have the set
of wheels dressed anyway.

What is dressed?

Right. Thanks for pointing this out.

* Spoke nipples and nipple seats lubricated.
* Spoke tension brought up to specification.
* Spoke tension balanced.
* Spokes stress relieved.
* Wheels trued.

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Michael Press