Desert Cross Country 29er or 36

TheObieOne3226 said:

Buy a coker and get the airfoil. The airfoil really makes or breaks a
coker. It is expensive, but it is the most dramatic and noticable
upgrade you can make to your coker.

Thank you so much for you time and effort to NOT LISTEN!

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AscenXion said:

Thank you so much for you time and effort to NOT LISTEN!

I don't care what you say, I was trying to be helpful in the best way I
could. I read your entire post and gave you what I felt was good
advice.

Your thread title is very misleading and doesn't ask the same thing as
your post. You said thanks for any help you can give me, I gave what I
could (considering I don't own a 29er and don't want to post about
parts info that is readily available at www.google.com ).

You will taco a steel coker rim (eventually), you will not taco an
airfoil, so, based on the question asked in the title and brushed upon
in the body of your post, the best way to go fast on the type of riding
you describe is a coker with airfoil. A 29er is considerably slower and
less effecient than a coker. So get a coker, and buy an airfoil. That
is my advice, take it or leave it. No reason to be a jerk.

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If you want to ride offroad and are not willing/able to spend the money
on an airfoil rim, then you've already made up your mind. Get the
29er.

The speed estimates aren't very useful and I doubt very accurate. I
easily cruise my 29er around 10mph, and I'm sure there are others who
ride faster.

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In terms of speed, a 29er can be competitive with a Coker if the 29er
has shorter cranks. I often ride my 29er with 125mm cranks along with
Coker riders on 140mm and 150mm cranks, and our speeds are comparable.
The Coker riders can go faster if they go all-out, but cruising there
isn't much difference.

I don't have a cycle computer, but on-road I estimate that I cruise at
10mph on my setup.

The Big Apple is definitely the fastest tire on roads, but its complete
lack of tread makes it less than perfect off-road. There are a few
other fat 29er tires which should provide decent speed with a little
tread for your dirt rides.

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AscenXion said:

What are some good 29" uni frames? X

I know you don't want to spend a whole lot, but if the KH 29" frames
are as nice, strong, and light as the 20" ones, then I think they would
be worth it.

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trials_uni said:

Where did you hear that Bedford unis are not strong? They are the best
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AscenXion said:

...I was wondering about wheel size...no need for you guys to tell me
that it's not going to happen, or to upgrade to an Airfoil rim, or to
just buy both, cuz I won't listen and I don't have that kinda money.

How much can you spend?

AscenXion said:

...Now, I'd obviously like to ride off the roads, cross country and
across thorny paths...how much slower is a 29er than a Coker...if I got
a huge, monster wheel for the 29er, one would it fit in the frame, and
two would it increase the "actual" size of the wheel increasing the
average speed of the 29er? ...What are some good, huge wheels for
29ers?
What are some good 29" uni frames?

Re: Monster wheels on the 29er...
I have a KH29XC and have used it with the BigApple 2.35, a high-volume
tire. It was a bit too big and rubbed on the top of the fork, compared
to my Kenda Klaw, the knobby tire which comes with the uni which has
-plenty- of clearance. The rubbing was bad enough that I had to file
off a few mm of metal from the top of the fork for the BA to spin.

So a fat (as fat as the BA2.35) *knobby* tire of similar volume would
not work on this KH29 frame.

That said, I recommend the heck out of this uni. I have a 36er (Radial
360) which I love, but I still ride the 29 often. It's very light and
extremely responsive.

Re: Speed difference
I cruise at 8-9 mph on the 29, and at 10-11 mph on the 36. If speed is
the main concern get a bicycle.

But as others have said here, if you like off-road (in SW Utah, no
less, ***SEETHES WITH ENVY***), and don't want to hack up the cash for
a "good" 36" wheel (either Airfoil or 'Stockton, mmm...drool...'
(http://livewireunicycles.com/)) then clearly a KH29 is your answer.

Are there any comparable 29s to the KH for Muni (splined
hub/light/strong)?

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X,

I went through much the same decision process you are facing. Nearly
all of my riding is on the road, I enjoy distance, speed is nice, and
hopping around on a unicycle while holding the seat by your willie
looks dumb and is a low priority for me.

The recommendation fo the KH29er above is good advice. It comes with a
cross-country tire and my 2006 KH29XC took a Big Apple tire without
rubbing so it does fit. You can cruise at 7-10 mph depending on the
rotational tempo you want. Your estimate of 7-8 mph is about right for
what you will normally ride. That is faster than a jog, slower than a
sprint, and a comfortable pace for a friend who might want to accompany
you for a few mile ride on a nice two-wheeled cruiser.

The 29 inch tire covers a little more than 7 1/2 ft in a rotation, a 36
inch wheel will cover a little less than 9 1/2 ft per revolution. For
a long road ride, there is no question that the bigger wheel is the way
to go. But, I got the 29 because it is so much more adaptable. The
KH29XC can do just about anything a unicycle can do, and it can operate
in most environments with a tire change. I got an extra set of cranks
so I can use 150s off road or 125 on road. Works pretty well.

I recently rode about 15 miles with a friend on a Coker. There was no
question he was better equipped for that ride. His pedalinig pace was
slower than mine and he worked less hard overall. I was able to
freemount much easier--but if I ever plan to do serious roadwork (which
I probably will) I'll get a Coker. But, I am thrilled with the
KH-29XC...best of both worlds.

Another thing I am considering is whether the better future answer is a
geared hub on a 29er. The 1.6 ratio would move a 29 inch unicycle 13
ft with a single a single pedal rotation. If I decide that's the way
to go--all I have to do is buy a $1500 wheelset!

Carey

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I have both but for what you say in your post, I would get a KH29xc, you
wont be dissappointed

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Frankly, I think the KH29XC is a lot of money for a 29er. You get a
splined hub, which you won't get on a cheaper uni, but for less than
half of the cost of the KH you could get a Nimbus which is totally fine
for typical 29er use.

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you could get a Sun 28 get a 29 tire 125 mm cranks air saddle and the
wheel upgrade and it would be pretty cheap and a pretty sweet uni.
consider that.

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TheObieOne3226 said:

I don't care what you say, I was trying to be helpful in the best way I
could. I read your entire post and gave you what I felt was good
advice.

Your thread title is very misleading and doesn't ask the same thing as
your post. You said thanks for any help you can give me, I gave what I
could (considering I don't own a 29er and don't want to post about
parts info that is readily available at www.google.com ).

You will taco a steel coker rim (eventually), you will not taco an
airfoil, so, based on the question asked in the title and brushed upon
in the body of your post, the best way to go fast on the type of riding
you describe is a coker with airfoil. A 29er is considerably slower and
less effecient than a coker. So get a coker, and buy an airfoil. That
is my advice, take it or leave it. No reason to be a jerk.

The title of my post is not misleading in the slightest. I want to know
the pros of a 29er vs that of a 36". Now, granted, I didn't say a
"Coker", to leave out the Airfoil option, but that is only because I am
also interested in the Qu-Ax 36.

You could also give the advice that a bike would be faster than a 36 or
that a car would be even faster than both of those. Or you could just
tell me to stay home, and not worry about going out. So, why didn't
you? I wanted to know WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, and not what you guys are
famous for spouting out when NOT asked.

Yes, I am being a jerk. But I read these forums, and time and time
again all you guys give stuff that is not asked for, and sometimes like
in my case, specifically told not to offer.

Yes, sometimes adding things might enlighten people if they didn't even
know that option existed or whatnot. But I TOLD you not to, and you
went ahead and did it anyways.

Free country? Yes. Freedom of speech? Yes. Can I tell you that you're
retarded for not listening? YES.

X

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tholub said:

In terms of speed, a 29er can be competitive with a Coker if the 29er
has shorter cranks. I often ride my 29er with 125mm cranks along with
Coker riders on 140mm and 150mm cranks, and our speeds are comparable.
The Coker riders can go faster if they go all-out, but cruising there
isn't much difference.

I don't have a cycle computer, but on-road I estimate that I cruise at
10mph on my setup.

The Big Apple is definitely the fastest tire on roads, but its complete
lack of tread makes it less than perfect off-road. There are a few
other fat 29er tires which should provide decent speed with a little
tread for your dirt rides.

Thank you (and Phlegm) very much. That is the information I was looking
for. As Phlegm stated, I have pretty much made up my mind. But I just
wanted to know what I was getting myself in for, so as to possibly be
persuaded if the need should arise.

As far as using 125 or the like off-road, how hard is it? I have 170's
on my MUni, and I love the length. With the larger tire, is it easier
to roll over things, making the shorter cranks more duable? Or will I
just have to struggle over everything?

Thanx for more help like this.

X

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steveyo said:

How much can you spend?

Re: Monster wheels on the 29er...
I have a KH29XC and have used it with the BigApple 2.35, a high-volume
tire. It was a bit too big and rubbed on the top of the fork, compared
to my Kenda Klaw, the knobby tire which comes with the uni which has
-plenty- of clearance. The rubbing was bad enough that I had to file
off a few mm of metal from the top of the fork for the BA to spin.

So a fat (as fat as the BA2.35) *knobby* tire of similar volume would
not work on this KH29 frame.

That said, I recommend the heck out of this uni. I have a 36er (Radial
360) which I love, but I still ride the 29 often. It's very light and
extremely responsive.

Re: Speed difference
I cruise at 8-9 mph on the 29, and at 10-11 mph on the 36. If speed is
the main concern get a bicycle.

But as others have said here, if you like off-road (in SW Utah, no
less, ***SEETHES WITH ENVY***), and don't want to hack up the cash for
a "good" 36" wheel (either Airfoil or 'Stockton, mmm...drool...'
(http://livewireunicycles.com/)) then clearly a KH29 is your answer.

Are there any comparable 29s to the KH for Muni (splined
hub/light/strong)?

Thanx so much for the info. I don't have a set limit, as I won't be
buying this uni for some time now, I just don't wanna spend too much.
I'm going to say $500 is my max limit, and I'd like to spend a lot
less.

And thank you very much for the speed comparison, and throwing out that
bicycle jab. 😉

I like the KH, but I'd like as big a tire as possible, so...do any of
you know ANYTHING about any of the other 29ers? Specially tire
clearance?

Than**X**

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tholub said:

Frankly, I think the KH29XC is a lot of money for a 29er. You get a
splined hub, which you won't get on a cheaper uni, but for less than
half of the cost of the KH you could get a Nimbus which is totally fine
for typical 29er use.

That's what I was thinking, too.

So, again, is anybody knows anything about the other 29ers shout out.
And if anybody knows of any tires bigger than they have on UDC, let us
know.
And if anybody knows if they will actually fit on any uni, that'd be
nice info to have as well.

🙂

p.s. Yeah, there's a lot of posts by me, back to back, but they all
deal with different subject matter, so...oh well. It's my thread. 😉

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When I used my 29er, I cruised at about 9 or 10 mph most of the time, I
dont think I ever hovered as low as 7. When I am on my Coker I average
only a little higher (10-13), but it is a lot easier to maintain the 10
or 11 mph range on a coker than it was on the 29er.

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If you are to get a 29er go with the Yuni 29er, I have had no problems
with mine.

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AscenXion said:

As far as using 125 or the like off-road, how hard is it? I have 170's
on my MUni, and I love the length. With the larger tire, is it easier
to roll over things, making the shorter cranks more duable? Or will I
just have to struggle over everything?

The big wheel will roll over most obstacles. Where 125s start to get
sketchy is when the trail gets very steep; on trails with long steep
sections, the short cranks don't provide enough leverage to keep the
unicycle under control. But, in that measure a 29er with 125s is
pretty similar to a Coker with 150s.

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I've got 125s and 150s for my 29er w/ Big Apple tire. The 150s are my
choice for trail riding. It just gives me more control.

I do know a guy who lives here who does some serious muni riding on a
36. I sure don't ride with enough control to do that. I imagine that
the 36 rolls over stuff pretty easily though.

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siafirede said:

If you are to get a 29er go with the Yuni 29er, I have had no problems
with mine.

I agree. My Yuni 29er has done quite well, but I use it exclusively as
an on-road cycle. If you were going to do serious off-road, the KH 29
XC would be a good investment.

Phil

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