Frankie Fired

B. Lafferty said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from Frankie
Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to be
told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together this
first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways because
it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

Can OLN be far behind??

--Karen D.

B. Lafferty said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from Frankie
Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to be
told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together this
first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways because
it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

Rule #1: Don't talk about Fight Club
Rule #2: Don't talk about Fight Club
Rule #3: Never talk about Armstrong and doping use

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B. Lafferty said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie
Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be
told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together this
first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways because
it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

Rule #1: Don't talk about Fight Club
Rule #2: Don't talk about Fight Club
Rule #3: Never talk about Armstrong and doping use

It remains to be seen why, but if it is door #3 Monty, that would be a sad
situation given that he and his wife resisted a subpoena, lost a motion to
quash and were compelled to testify under oath.

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro
Cycling Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated
by the Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to be told to leave especially after all the hard
work of putting together this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways because it's a great group of
riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further
details become available. "

This should be interesting.

The long arm of the Lance?

Michael said:

The long arm of the Lance?

More likely, the powers that be were just tired of the mostly negative
publicity. Regardless of how people with intimate knowledge of the
pro-cycling world feel, I believe the majority of ordinary people in
the USA consider Lance a hero and don't believe any of the drug
allegations.

N.

Nancy2 said:

Michael said:

The long arm of the Lance?

More likely, the powers that be were just tired of the mostly negative
publicity. Regardless of how people with intimate knowledge of the
pro-cycling world feel, I believe the majority of ordinary people in
the USA consider Lance a hero and don't believe any of the drug
allegations.

N.

If that's the case, then the team owner (a former chump of a pro
cyclist) has a very distorted view of just how much Andreau publicity
rubs-off on his Toyota team. People generally do not equate Andreau
with his present life. They equate him with his pro cycling career (as
a rider).

As far as mainstream publicity, that all died within a few days of the
court leak. Within the cycling world, only a few of us RBR shlubs
still talk about it. It's effectively a dead issue.

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Quoted message said:

Can OLN be far behind??

Here's hoping; I'm so tired of hearing his pinched, nasal references to the
"turd-a-france."

Quoted message said:

Nancy2 said:

Michael said:

The long arm of the Lance?

More likely, the powers that be were just tired of the mostly negative
publicity. Regardless of how people with intimate knowledge of the
pro-cycling world feel, I believe the majority of ordinary people in
the USA consider Lance a hero and don't believe any of the drug
allegations.

N.

If that's the case, then the team owner (a former chump of a pro
cyclist) has a very distorted view of just how much Andreau publicity
rubs-off on his Toyota team. People generally do not equate Andreau
with his present life. They equate him with his pro cycling career (as
a rider).

As far as mainstream publicity, that all died within a few days of the
court leak. Within the cycling world, only a few of us RBR shlubs
still talk about it. It's effectively a dead issue.

You're exactly right about folks not equating Andreau with the
Toyato-United team. Not once during all the hoopla about the
testimony, etc... did I give one moment's thought to the team. In
fact, until he was just fired, I'd forgotten he was even involved with
the team in the first place.

Frankly, I think that there must have been something brewing under the
surface for him to have been fired for something that seems so
relatively inconsequential as him missing that race.

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

More information from the article that I think is important::

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told him
that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day Nevada
stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'" Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the Tour
de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with the
team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and instead of
cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to find
out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and is
fired.

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Quoted message said:

Nancy2 said:

Michael wrote:

> The long arm of the Lance?

More likely, the powers that be were just tired of the mostly negative
publicity. Regardless of how people with intimate knowledge of the
pro-cycling world feel, I believe the majority of ordinary people in
the USA consider Lance a hero and don't believe any of the drug
allegations.

N.

If that's the case, then the team owner (a former chump of a pro
cyclist) has a very distorted view of just how much Andreau publicity
rubs-off on his Toyota team. People generally do not equate Andreau
with his present life. They equate him with his pro cycling career (as
a rider).

As far as mainstream publicity, that all died within a few days of the
court leak. Within the cycling world, only a few of us RBR shlubs
still talk about it. It's effectively a dead issue.

You're exactly right about folks not equating Andreau with the
Toyato-United team. Not once during all the hoopla about the
testimony, etc... did I give one moment's thought to the team. In
fact, until he was just fired, I'd forgotten he was even involved with
the team in the first place.

Frankly, I think that there must have been something brewing under the
surface for him to have been fired for something that seems so
relatively inconsequential as him missing that race.

When the story first broke, the team issued a statement saying that Frankie
stood by his testimony.

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

[censored], I posted ALL of what was on their web site at the time. Reread the
last sentence again. The updated the story--duh.

Quoted message said:

More information from the article that I think is important::

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told
him that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day
Nevada stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'" Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the
Tour de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict
with the team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and
instead of cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from
France to find out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his
commitments and is fired.

Frank Drackman said:

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

More information from the article that I think is important::

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told him
that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day Nevada
stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'" Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the Tour
de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with the
team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and instead of
cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to find
out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and is
fired.

I wonder if they (T-U) are having money problems, and this was just a
convenient excuse to unload some overhead?

B. Lafferty said:

When the story first broke, the team issued a statement saying that Frankie
stood by his testimony.

In other words, the team attempted to use Frankie's massive press
coverage from the Armstrong trial to its own advantage. When trying to
quantify your sponsorship contract with a savvy marketer such as
Toyota, every media hit (a mention of your company in a publication)
you can show them is a good hit.

And now they'll use Frankie's name as a way to generate more media
hits. Sounds like the owner is a bit desperate. Perhaps the marketing
boys at Toyota are putting the pressure on them.

Frank Drackman said:

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

More information from the article that I think is important::

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told him
that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day Nevada
stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'" Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the Tour
de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with the
team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and instead of
cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to find
out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and is
fired.

Imagine the [censored] that must have been going on at home after the
Armstrong trial thing came out into the open. Frankie is out on the
road every day, meanwhile his wife is back home getting attacked from
50 different angles over what she'd said in the trial (And those of us
who are married...we all know that Frankie had to back his wife). If
put in the same position, I think I'd take the same approach as Frankie
did.

B. Lafferty said:

"Frank Drackman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

[censored], I posted ALL of what was on their web site at the time. Reread the
last sentence again. The updated the story--duh.

Very nice. Try to remember that some people think you're a "class
act". More of a class clown really, but hey, it's all entertainment.

BTW, one of the reasons that it's good form to include a link is so
that people can read it for themselves. Instead of calling names,
learn a lesson....dumbass. 🙂

R

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Frank Drackman said:

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed
to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and
we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

More information from the article that I think is important::

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told
him
that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day
Nevada
stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'" Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have
been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion
when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the
Tour
de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with
the
team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and instead
of
cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to
find
out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and is
fired.

Imagine the [censored] that must have been going on at home after the
Armstrong trial thing came out into the open. Frankie is out on the
road every day, meanwhile his wife is back home getting attacked from
50 different angles over what she'd said in the trial (And those of us
who are married...we all know that Frankie had to back his wife). If
put in the same position, I think I'd take the same approach as Frankie
did.

It all depends on what your priorities are. If family is number one then
don't take a job that takes you away from home so much. If developing a
U.S. based racing team is number one, don't take the OLN gig. If
broadcasting is number one, help start a bike racing team. Pretty simple, I
continually have to make similar choices and knowing what your priorities
are makes it easy.

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Quoted message said:

From VeloNews:

"Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
Team.

"On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed to
be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting together
this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and we
will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
available. "

This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

[censored], I posted ALL of what was on their web site at the time. Reread
the last sentence again. The updated the story--duh.

Wow Brian! Things must be a bit tense at home. Wax on, wax off

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Frank Drackman said:

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> From VeloNews:
>
> "Early Wednesday, we received the following e-mailed statement from
> Frankie Andreu, the director sportif of the Toyota-United Pro Cycling
> Team.
>
> "On July 25th, 2006, the day after I returned home from the Tour de
> France, I was informed that my contract was being terminated by the
> Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. I was very surprised and disappointed
> to
> be told to leave especially after all the hard work of putting
> together
> this first year team. I know the team will continue their winning ways
> because it's a great group of riders. I wish them success."
> Attempts to reach a team spokesman have proven to be unsuccessful and
> we
> will follow-up with a complete story as soon as further details become
> available. "
>
> This should be interesting.

You did some selective editing. The whole article can be found at:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html

More information from the article that I think is important::

"Contacted by VeloNews.com, Andreu said that team owner Sean Tucker told
him
that the dismissal was based on his failure to attend the three-day
Nevada
stage race, which runs from June 24-26.
"I had written Sean an e-mail telling him 'look, I just spent a
week-and-a-half up in Philly, I'm going to be home for one day, then
supposed to go to Tour de Nez - which will be a total of five days - and
then, after being home for two days, I go to France for a month,'"
Andreu
said. "I just said I need to spend time with my family. It would have
been
really tough on our kids had I not stayed home that week." "

It sounds more like that the owner of the team felt that Frankie was
not
fully committed to being DS for the team. I can imagine a discussion
when
Frankie told the team management that he had been contacted to work the
Tour
de France for OLN and telling the team that it would not conflict with
the
team. When the Tour de Nez came around Frankie was burnt out and
instead of
cancelling the OLN gig he skipped the race. He returns from France to
find
out that the team feels that he didn't live up to his commitments and is
fired.

Imagine the [censored] that must have been going on at home after the
Armstrong trial thing came out into the open. Frankie is out on the
road every day, meanwhile his wife is back home getting attacked from
50 different angles over what she'd said in the trial (And those of us
who are married...we all know that Frankie had to back his wife). If
put in the same position, I think I'd take the same approach as Frankie
did.

It all depends on what your priorities are. If family is number one then
don't take a job that takes you away from home so much. If developing a
U.S. based racing team is number one, don't take the OLN gig. If
broadcasting is number one, help start a bike racing team. Pretty simple,
I continually have to make similar choices and knowing what your
priorities are makes it easy.

Frankie claims to have an contract that provides for a warning, not firing,
should he miss a race. This is going to be an interesting story no matter
where it goes. Maybe Tucker is planning something in the future with
Wordin.

SH said:

I wonder if they (T-U) are having money problems, and this was just a
convenient excuse to unload some overhead?

What - you mean they didn't sell thousands of their team bike for $7k?