folding or wire tyre?

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Mike said:

1) Folding or wire tyres - Which is the norm?.

Steel bead is cheaper, folding bead is lighter, and more convenient if
you want to carry spare tyres on the bike. Steel bead can actually be
easier to fit and remove.

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I'm looking to get the Panaracer Trailblaster from chainreaction

2) Anyone know if the tape that goes inside the rim to protect the
innertube has a specific name?. i cant locate it on their website.

Rim tape.

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3) can anyone recommend a make of innertube or are they all the same

What qualities are you looking for in a tube? There are some in Tesco
for £2.00 which are probably fine for general use, once you spend more
than a fiver they get lighter or tougher, some have Slime in so you can
ignore small punctures ...

in message <[email hidden]>, Mike

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1) Folding or wire tyres - Which is the norm?.
I'm looking to get the Panaracer Trailblaster from chainreaction

The 'norm' is steel. The disadvantages of steel are that it's very
slightly heavier, and that the tyre can't be folded. Unless you are
going on a long tour and want to take a spare tyre with you, the /only
disadvantage is a small amount of weight. So unless you're a compulsive
weight-weenie like me, go for steel.

Quoted message said:

2) Anyone know if the tape that goes inside the rim to protect the
innertube has a specific name?. i cant locate it on their website.

Rim tape. No, seriously.

Quoted message said:

3) can anyone recommend a make of innertube or are they all the same

They aren't all the same. Cheap brands can have inconsistent wall
thickness which means they're both heavy /and/ liable to puncture. Good
brands often offer two weights, standard (quite thick and reliable)
and 'ultra-light' (quite thin and vulnerable, but saving 50-80 grammes
per wheel). There's also a difference between butyl and latex tubes,
with some people claiming latex is more puncture resistant. I would buy
Michelin, Schwalbe, or Continental; I wouldn't buy no-name, and I
wouldn't buy Vittoria.

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Quoted message said:

wouldn't buy Vittoria.

Particular problem?

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Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:
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wouldn't buy Vittoria.

Particular problem?

Several of my friends report that they are unreliable (i.e. puncture
easily). I haven't personally used them, so that isn't first hand
evidence.

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:36:46 +0100, Rob Morley <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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Mike said:

2) Anyone know if the tape that goes inside the rim to protect the
innertube has a specific name?. i cant locate it on their website.

Rim tape.

Not forgetting that Velox is the One True Rim Tape.

Tim

Simon Brooke said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

wouldn't buy Vittoria.

Particular problem?

Several of my friends report that they are unreliable (i.e. puncture
easily). I haven't personally used them, so that isn't first hand
evidence.

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I'm not wild on them either.
I've tried them a couple of times in both 26" and 700x25c, and don't
like 'em.

Small sample stuff I know, but they *seem* to puncture a little too
easily.

I have a suspicion that the Vittorias are made thinner walled to keep
them light (what with being a racing brand an' all), and so may be less
tolerant of snake-bite and clumsy fitting than some others. If they do
puncture, I've found they have lots more "moulding" lines on them,
which need to be sanded off before the patch will adhere properly.

I use Michelin Airstops almost exclusively now - a bit more expensive
than some others, but top quality. Even in the same tire/rim combos as
the Vittorias, they seem to behave themselves better.

Regards,

bookieb

bookieb wrote:

[Vittoria inner tubes]

Quoted message said:

I'm not wild on them either.
I've tried them a couple of times in both 26" and 700x25c, and don't
like 'em.

Small sample stuff I know, but they *seem* to puncture a little too
easily.

I have a suspicion that the Vittorias are made thinner walled to keep
them light (what with being a racing brand an' all), and so may be
less tolerant of snake-bite and clumsy fitting than some others. If
they do puncture, I've found they have lots more "moulding" lines on
them,
which need to be sanded off before the patch will adhere properly.

I use Michelin Airstops almost exclusively now - a bit more expensive
than some others, but top quality. Even in the same tire/rim combos
as the Vittorias, they seem to behave themselves better.

Vittoria Ultralight tubes are very similar to Michelin Ultralight. I
don't believe there's any difference in puncture resistance between them,
and no ordinary tube provides much puncture resistance anyway. I did have
some problems with Vittoria valves and the valve bonding a few years ago,
but the manufacture has probably improved by now.

I guess you're using standard-weight Michelins. Michelin also call their
Ultralight tubes "Airstop".

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

bookieb wrote:

[Vittoria inner tubes]

Quoted message said:

I'm not wild on them either.
I've tried them a couple of times in both 26" and 700x25c, and don't
like 'em.

Small sample stuff I know, but they *seem* to puncture a little too
easily.

I have a suspicion that the Vittorias are made thinner walled to keep
them light (what with being a racing brand an' all), and so may be
less tolerant of snake-bite and clumsy fitting than some others. If
they do puncture, I've found they have lots more "moulding" lines on
them,
which need to be sanded off before the patch will adhere properly.

I use Michelin Airstops almost exclusively now - a bit more expensive
than some others, but top quality. Even in the same tire/rim combos
as the Vittorias, they seem to behave themselves better.

Vittoria Ultralight tubes are very similar to Michelin Ultralight. I
don't believe there's any difference in puncture resistance between them,
and no ordinary tube provides much puncture resistance anyway. I did have
some problems with Vittoria valves and the valve bonding a few years ago,
but the manufacture has probably improved by now.

I guess you're using standard-weight Michelins. Michelin also call their
Ultralight tubes "Airstop".

~PB

Yep, I'm using standard weight Michelins, but I was comparing them with
standard weight Vittorias (or at least, not ones marked
extra/very/ultra light). All are butyl, rather than latex.

The Michelins are particularly nicely finished around the valve
stem/tube bit, and I've never had one let the air out for any reason
other than a clear simple puncture (glass, bit of wire etc). They also
don't need topping up weekly.

The Vittorias seemed to rip around the valve stem/tube area, and lose a
bit more pressure over the course of a week, and I felt I was getting
more punctutres Only my impressions of course, FWIW [1]

regards,

bookieb.

[1] Very little, and based on a sample size of 1.

bookieb wrote:

[tubes]

Quoted message said:

Yep, I'm using standard weight Michelins, but I was comparing them
with standard weight Vittorias (or at least, not ones marked
extra/very/ultra light). All are butyl, rather than latex.

Right. I've not used standard-weight Vittorias; my comments my don't
apply to them.

Quoted message said:

The Michelins are particularly nicely finished around the valve
stem/tube bit, and I've never had one let the air out for any reason
other than a clear simple puncture (glass, bit of wire etc). They
also don't need topping up weekly.

The Vittorias seemed to rip around the valve stem/tube area, and lose
a bit more pressure over the course of a week, and I felt I was getting
more punctutres Only my impressions of course, FWIW [1]

regards,

bookieb.

[1] Very little, and based on a sample size of 1.

I also experienced the ripping problem with Vittoria UL, but with some
other brands as well. Apparently various factories have made improvements
since.

I agree that Michelin tubes are reliable. Schwalbe are good too.

~PB