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  1. Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh
    Medical Center

    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study
    PITTSBURGH, Oct. 2 – A study of obese people with type 2 diabetes who underwent laparoscopic gastric
    bypass surgery (LGBP) found that 83 percent of them experienced a resolution of their disease. The
    study, from the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, is in the October issue of the journal
    Annals of Surgery.

    The study also found that clinical resolution or improvement in diabetes occurred in all patients,
    but patients with the shortest duration and mildest form of type 2 diabetes had a higher rate of
    resolution after the surgery. During the study there were no new occurrences or recurrences of type
    2 diabetes in 310 patient years of follow-up. Nearly one third of patients permanently discontinued
    anti-diabetic medications after discharge from the hospital – even before significant weight loss
    could occur.

    According to Philip Schauer, M.D., director of bariatric surgery at the University of Pittsburgh,
    principal investigator in the study and co-director of the Minimally Invasive Surgery Center at the
    University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, the study suggests that early surgical intervention is
    warranted to increase the likelihood of rendering these patients euglycemic.

    "Most patients in the study with type 2 diabetes who underwent bypass surgery achieved excellent
    biochemical glycemic control and were able to reap the clinical benefits of withdrawing from most,
    if not all, anti-diabetes medications, including insulin," Dr. Schauer said. "Younger diabetes
    patients with less severe disease stand to gain more from the surgery by circumventing years of
    progressive, debilitating disease."

    The study included 1,160 patients who underwent Roux-en Y gastric bypass surgery (LGBP) between 1997
    and 2002 at the University of Pittsburgh Medial Center. Of those patients, 240 had impaired fasting
    glucose and type 2 diabetes. Follow-up was possible in 190. The mean age at surgery was 48 years and
    75 percent of the patients were female. Mean body mass index was 50.

    "Prior to surgery, the disease severity for these patients was quite significant overall," said
    Dr. Schauer, "with 65 percent of them requiring oral agents and 27 percent of them requiring
    insulin as well."

    Post surgery, patients had a mean excess weight loss of 60 percent and a body mass index of 34 after
    20 months. Fasting plasma glucose and glycoslated hemoglobin concentrations returned to normal
    levels in 83 percent of patients, while 17 percent of patients markedly improved. Following surgery,
    80 percent of patients had a significant reduction in the use of oral anti-diabetic agents and 79
    percent had a reduction in their use of insulin.

    "The impressive effect of bypass surgery on morbidly obese patients with type 2 diabetes raises an
    argument for lowering the threshold for surgical intervention to moderate or mild obesity," Dr.
    Schauer said. "Further investigation demonstrating risk versus benefit for patients with moderate
    obesity is warranted."

    The LGBP procedure involves constructing a small stomach pouch of approximately 15 millimeters
    (about the size of a plastic medicine cup), and bypassing a small segment of intestines by
    constructing a Y-shaped limb of small bowel. Patients lose weight because there is a decrease in
    caloric intake resulting from the reduced reservoir capacity of the small stomach pouch.

    Type 2 diabetes is the most common form of diabetes, in which the body is unable to properly use the
    insulin that it produces. About 80 percent of people with type 2 diabetes are overweight.

    Exactly a year ago there was another study from UCLA.

    Arch Surg. 2002 Oct;137(10):1109-17. Related Articles, Links

    Effects of obesity surgery on non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus.

    Greenway SE, Greenway FL 3rd, Klein S.

    Department of Surgery, Harbor-University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center, Torrance, CA
    90509, USA.

    CONTEXT: Most individuals who have non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus are obese. The obese
    population has proved a frustrating entity regarding weight loss and diabetes control. Results of
    medical weight loss programs, medications, and behavior therapy have proved disappointing.
    HYPOTHESIS: Bariatric surgery is the most effective method of diabetes management and cure in the
    morbidly obese population. Surgical procedures to cause malabsorption provide a more dramatic effect
    on diabetes owing to the imparted bypass of the hormonally active foregut. DATA SOURCES: Pertinent
    journal articles spanning the last 40 years, as well as textbooks. CONCLUSIONS: Bariatric surgical
    procedures have proven a much more successful method of weight loss and diabetes control in the
    obese population than conservative methods. These surgical procedures have proven safe with reported
    mortality rates of 0% to 1.5%. Bariatric operations may be divided based on the method of weight
    loss and effect on diabetes. The first category is restrictive and includes vertical banded
    gastroplasty and adjustable silicone gastric banding. These operations improve diabetes by
    decreasing food intake and body weight with a slowing of gastric emptying. The second category not
    only contains restrictive components but also elements of malabsorption. This category includes the
    Roux-en-Y gastric bypass and biliary-pancreatic diversion, which bypass the foregut. Although all of
    the surgical procedures for obesity offer improved weight loss and diabetes control compared with
    conservative methods, the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass and biliary-pancreatic diversion offer superior
    weight loss and resolution of diabetes. The more dramatic effect seen in the surgical procedures to
    cause malabsorption is likely secondary to the bypass of the foregut resulting in increased weight
    loss and elevation of the enteroglucagon level.

    Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial

    PMID: 12361414 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  2. SHUDDER.

    Annette

    "ada" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh
    Medical Center

    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most


    patients,

    Quoted message said:

    reports Pittsburgh study PITTSBURGH, Oct. 2 - A study of obese people with type 2 diabetes


    who

    Quoted message said:

    underwent laparoscopic gastric bypass surgery (LGBP) found that 83 percent of them experienced a
    resolution of their disease. The study, from the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine,


    is in

    Quoted message said:

    the October issue of the journal Annals of Surgery.

    The study also found that clinical resolution or improvement in diabetes occurred in all patients,
    but patients with the shortest duration and mildest form of type 2 diabetes had a higher rate of
    resolution after the surgery. During the study there were no new occurrences or recurrences of
    type 2 diabetes in 310 patient years


    of

    Quoted message said:

    follow-up. Nearly one third of patients permanently discontinued anti-diabetic medications after
    discharge from the hospital - even before significant weight loss could occur.

    According to Philip Schauer, M.D., director of bariatric surgery


    at

    Quoted message said:

    the University of Pittsburgh, principal investigator in the study


    and

    Quoted message said:

    co-director of the Minimally Invasive Surgery Center at the


    University

    Quoted message said:

    of Pittsburgh Medical Center, the study suggests that early


    surgical

    Quoted message said:

    intervention is warranted to increase the likelihood of rendering these patients euglycemic.

    "Most patients in the study with type 2 diabetes who underwent


    bypass

    Quoted message said:

    surgery achieved excellent biochemical glycemic control and were


    able

    Quoted message said:

    to reap the clinical benefits of withdrawing from most, if not


    all,

    Quoted message said:

    anti-diabetes medications, including insulin," Dr. Schauer said. "Younger diabetes patients with
    less severe disease stand to gain


    more

    Quoted message said:

    from the surgery by circumventing years of progressive,


    debilitating

    Quoted message said:

    disease."

    The study included 1,160 patients who underwent Roux-en Y gastric bypass surgery (LGBP) between
    1997 and 2002 at the University of Pittsburgh Medial Center. Of those patients, 240 had impaired


    fasting

    Quoted message said:

    glucose and type 2 diabetes. Follow-up was possible in 190. The


    mean

    Quoted message said:

    age at surgery was 48 years and 75 percent of the patients were female. Mean body mass
    index was 50.

    "Prior to surgery, the disease severity for these patients was


    quite

    Quoted message said:

    significant overall," said Dr. Schauer, "with 65 percent of them requiring oral agents and 27
    percent of them requiring insulin as well."

    Post surgery, patients had a mean excess weight loss of 60 percent


    and

    Quoted message said:

    a body mass index of 34 after 20 months. Fasting plasma glucose


    and

    Quoted message said:

    glycoslated hemoglobin concentrations returned to normal levels in


    83

    Quoted message said:

    percent of patients, while 17 percent of patients markedly


    improved.

    Quoted message said:

    Following surgery, 80 percent of patients had a significant


    reduction

    Quoted message said:

    in the use of oral anti-diabetic agents and 79 percent had a


    reduction

    Quoted message said:

    in their use of insulin.

    "The impressive effect of bypass surgery on morbidly obese


    patients

    Quoted message said:

    with type 2 diabetes raises an argument for lowering the threshold


    for

    Quoted message said:

    surgical intervention to moderate or mild obesity," Dr. Schauer


    said.

    Quoted message said:

    "Further investigation demonstrating risk versus benefit for


    patients

    Quoted message said:

    with moderate obesity is warranted."

    The LGBP procedure involves constructing a small stomach pouch of approximately 15 millimeters
    (about the size of a plastic medicine cup), and bypassing a small segment of intestines by
    constructing


    a

    Quoted message said:

    Y-shaped limb of small bowel. Patients lose weight because there


    is a

    Quoted message said:

    decrease in caloric intake resulting from the reduced reservoir capacity of the small
    stomach pouch.

    Type 2 diabetes is the most common form of diabetes, in which the


    body

    Quoted message said:

    is unable to properly use the insulin that it produces. About 80 percent of people with type 2
    diabetes are overweight.

    Exactly a year ago there was another study from UCLA.

    Arch Surg. 2002 Oct;137(10):1109-17. Related Articles, Links

    Effects of obesity surgery on non-insulin-dependent diabetes


    mellitus.

    Quoted message said:


    Greenway SE, Greenway FL 3rd, Klein S.

    Department of Surgery, Harbor-University of California, Los


    Angeles

    Quoted message said:

    Medical Center, Torrance, CA 90509, USA.

    CONTEXT: Most individuals who have non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus are obese. The obese
    population has proved a frustrating entity regarding weight loss and diabetes control. Results of


    medical

    Quoted message said:

    weight loss programs, medications, and behavior therapy have


    proved

    Quoted message said:

    disappointing. HYPOTHESIS: Bariatric surgery is the most effective method of diabetes management
    and cure in the morbidly obese population. Surgical procedures to cause malabsorption provide a


    more

    Quoted message said:

    dramatic effect on diabetes owing to the imparted bypass of the hormonally active foregut. DATA
    SOURCES: Pertinent journal


    articles

    Quoted message said:

    spanning the last 40 years, as well as textbooks. CONCLUSIONS: Bariatric surgical procedures have
    proven a much more successful method of weight loss and diabetes control in the obese population
    than conservative methods. These surgical procedures have proven


    safe

    Quoted message said:

    with reported mortality rates of 0% to 1.5%. Bariatric operations


    may

    Quoted message said:

    be divided based on the method of weight loss and effect on


    diabetes.

    Quoted message said:

    The first category is restrictive and includes vertical banded gastroplasty and adjustable
    silicone gastric banding. These


    operations

    Quoted message said:

    improve diabetes by decreasing food intake and body weight with a slowing of gastric emptying. The
    second category not only contains restrictive components but also elements of malabsorption. This
    category includes the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass and


    biliary-pancreatic

    Quoted message said:

    diversion, which bypass the foregut. Although all of the surgical procedures for obesity offer
    improved weight loss and diabetes


    control

    Quoted message said:

    compared with conservative methods, the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass


    and

    Quoted message said:

    biliary-pancreatic diversion offer superior weight loss and


    resolution

    Quoted message said:

    of diabetes. The more dramatic effect seen in the surgical


    procedures

    Quoted message said:

    to cause malabsorption is likely secondary to the bypass of the foregut resulting in increased
    weight loss and elevation of the enteroglucagon level.

    Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial

    PMID: 12361414 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  3. Once upon a time, our fellow ada rambled on about "Gastric bypass resolves/improves diabetes." Our
    champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    "The impressive effect of bypass surgery on morbidly obese patients with type 2 diabetes raises an
    argument for lowering the threshold for surgical intervention to moderate or mild obesity," Dr.
    Schauer said.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

  4. In 2 out of 100 sugeries, gastric bypass surgery also resolves life, since it kills that
    many people.

    Shame on these surgeons for pushing a surgery that has such a high rate of killing people.

    But the underlying idea is that it's better to be dead than fat. This, oddly enough, is the thinking
    that motivates anorexics but in their case it is considered a mental illnes..

    -- Jenny

    168.5/137

    Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

    geocities.comjenny the bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people
    really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
    * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low
    Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

    "ada" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh
    Medical Center

    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study
    PITTSBURGH, Oct. 2 - A study of obese people with type 2 diabetes who underwent laparoscopic
    gastric bypass surgery (LGBP) found that 83 percent of them experienced a resolution of their
    disease. The study, from the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, is in the October issue
    of the journal Annals of Surgery.

    The study also found that clinical resolution or improvement in diabetes occurred in all patients,
    but patients with the shortest duration and mildest form of type 2 diabetes had a higher rate of
    resolution after the surgery. During the study there were no new occurrences or recurrences of
    type 2 diabetes in 310 patient years of follow-up. Nearly one third of patients permanently
    discontinued anti-diabetic medications after discharge from the hospital - even before significant
    weight loss could occur.

    According to Philip Schauer, M.D., director of bariatric surgery at the University of Pittsburgh,
    principal investigator in the study and co-director of the Minimally Invasive Surgery Center at
    the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, the study suggests that early surgical intervention
    is warranted to increase the likelihood of rendering these patients euglycemic.

    "Most patients in the study with type 2 diabetes who underwent bypass surgery achieved excellent
    biochemical glycemic control and were able to reap the clinical benefits of withdrawing from most,
    if not all, anti-diabetes medications, including insulin," Dr. Schauer said. "Younger diabetes
    patients with less severe disease stand to gain more from the surgery by circumventing years of
    progressive, debilitating disease."

    The study included 1,160 patients who underwent Roux-en Y gastric bypass surgery (LGBP) between
    1997 and 2002 at the University of Pittsburgh Medial Center. Of those patients, 240 had impaired
    fasting glucose and type 2 diabetes. Follow-up was possible in 190. The mean age at surgery was 48
    years and 75 percent of the patients were female. Mean body mass index was 50.

    "Prior to surgery, the disease severity for these patients was quite significant overall," said
    Dr. Schauer, "with 65 percent of them requiring oral agents and 27 percent of them requiring
    insulin as well."

    Post surgery, patients had a mean excess weight loss of 60 percent and a body mass index of 34
    after 20 months. Fasting plasma glucose and glycoslated hemoglobin concentrations returned to
    normal levels in 83 percent of patients, while 17 percent of patients markedly improved. Following
    surgery, 80 percent of patients had a significant reduction in the use of oral anti-diabetic
    agents and 79 percent had a reduction in their use of insulin.

    "The impressive effect of bypass surgery on morbidly obese patients with type 2 diabetes raises an
    argument for lowering the threshold for surgical intervention to moderate or mild obesity," Dr.
    Schauer said. "Further investigation demonstrating risk versus benefit for patients with moderate
    obesity is warranted."

    The LGBP procedure involves constructing a small stomach pouch of approximately 15 millimeters
    (about the size of a plastic medicine cup), and bypassing a small segment of intestines by
    constructing a Y-shaped limb of small bowel. Patients lose weight because there is a decrease in
    caloric intake resulting from the reduced reservoir capacity of the small stomach pouch.

    Type 2 diabetes is the most common form of diabetes, in which the body is unable to properly use
    the insulin that it produces. About 80 percent of people with type 2 diabetes are overweight.

    Exactly a year ago there was another study from UCLA.

    Arch Surg. 2002 Oct;137(10):1109-17. Related Articles, Links

    Effects of obesity surgery on non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus.

    Greenway SE, Greenway FL 3rd, Klein S.

    Department of Surgery, Harbor-University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center, Torrance, CA
    90509, USA.

    CONTEXT: Most individuals who have non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus are obese. The obese
    population has proved a frustrating entity regarding weight loss and diabetes control. Results
    of medical weight loss programs, medications, and behavior therapy have proved disappointing.
    HYPOTHESIS: Bariatric surgery is the most effective method of diabetes management and cure in
    the morbidly obese population. Surgical procedures to cause malabsorption provide a more
    dramatic effect on diabetes owing to the imparted bypass of the hormonally active foregut. DATA
    SOURCES: Pertinent journal articles spanning the last 40 years, as well as textbooks.
    CONCLUSIONS: Bariatric surgical procedures have proven a much more successful method of weight
    loss and diabetes control in the obese population than conservative methods. These surgical
    procedures have proven safe with reported mortality rates of 0% to 1.5%. Bariatric operations
    may be divided based on the method of weight loss and effect on diabetes. The first category is
    restrictive and includes vertical banded gastroplasty and adjustable silicone gastric banding.
    These operations improve diabetes by decreasing food intake and body weight with a slowing of
    gastric emptying. The second category not only contains restrictive components but also elements
    of malabsorption. This category includes the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass and biliary-pancreatic
    diversion, which bypass the foregut. Although all of the surgical procedures for obesity offer
    improved weight loss and diabetes control compared with conservative methods, the Roux-en-Y
    gastric bypass and biliary-pancreatic diversion offer superior weight loss and resolution of
    diabetes. The more dramatic effect seen in the surgical procedures to cause malabsorption is
    likely secondary to the bypass of the foregut resulting in increased weight loss and elevation
    of the enteroglucagon level.

    Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial

    PMID: 12361414 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  5. Once upon a time, our fellow Jenny rambled on about "Re: Gastric bypass resolves/improves diabetes."
    Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    But the underlying idea is that it's better to be dead than fat. This, oddly enough, is the
    thinking that motivates anorexics but in their case it is considered a mental illnes..

    Actually, it is better to leave smn if you are fat then to pollute this ng with your filth!

    Fat is not an issue for most normal people. 🙂

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

  6. [email hidden] (ada) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    "The impressive effect of bypass surgery on morbidly obese patients with type 2 diabetes raises an
    argument for lowering the threshold for surgical intervention to moderate or mild obesity," Dr.
    Schauer said. "Further investigation demonstrating risk versus benefit for patients with moderate
    obesity is warranted."

    So they want to lower the threshold for surgical intervention. Big surprise. They want more
    opportunity to get richer.

    Quoted message said:

    The LGBP procedure involves constructing a small stomach pouch of approximately 15 millimeters
    (about the size of a plastic medicine cup), and bypassing a small segment of intestines by
    constructing a Y-shaped limb of small bowel. Patients lose weight because there is a decrease in
    caloric intake resulting from the reduced reservoir capacity of the small stomach pouch.

    Wonder what would happen to a person if you were to restrict their food intake (and refined carb
    intake especially) to 15 mm at every meal. No major blood sugar spikes, no repeated over production
    of insulin. The insulin receptors would recover and become sensitive again.

    This goal could be achieved without massive, dangerous and extreme stomach surgery. Just get rid of
    refined and high-GI-load carbs in the diet.

    But then the surgeons would be scrambling for work. Oh darn...

    TC

  7. (ada) said:

    Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh Medical
    Center this is a highly invasive procedure and is NOT recommended for diabetes management. Due to
    the very high risks both during and after surgery this procedure should only be considered by those
    whose health is at risk directly because of their weight.

    This particular topic has been discussed many times over the years in the diabetic newsgroups and we
    don't need any cross posted debates with non-diabetic groups on the issue.

  8. "Jenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In 2 out of 100 sugeries, gastric bypass surgery also resolves life, since it kills that
    many people.

    Shame on these surgeons for pushing a surgery that has such a high rate of killing people.

    Indeed. And shame on them *also* for trying to build their professional careers by pushing such
    'innovative' surgery when there are *far more urgently needed* procedures going unperformed every
    day of the year.

    Quoted message said:


    But the underlying idea is that it's better to be dead than fat.

    I have a different suggestion: the 'underlying idea' here is really that it's better (read:
    *easier*) to 'resolve' your diabetic condition through a hi-tech, 'quick fix' surgical intervention
    than through sensible, healthy and *safe* long-term diet-and-behaviour 'lifestyle'-modification.

    Ph.

  9. Well, for what it's worth, I am not fat. My BMI is well within normal for my height.

    I'm also not rude, unlike you.

    -- Jenny

    168.5/137

    Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

    geocities.comjenny the bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people
    really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
    * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low
    Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

    "John 'the Man'" <DeMan[104]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Once upon a time, our fellow Jenny rambled on about "Re: Gastric bypass resolves/improves
    diabetes." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    But the underlying idea is that it's better to be dead than fat. This, oddly enough, is the
    thinking that motivates anorexics but in their case


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is considered a mental illnes..

    Actually, it is better to leave smn if you are fat then to pollute this ng with your filth!

    Fat is not an issue for most normal people. 🙂

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

  10. Quoted message said:

    "John 'the Self-Induced Anaemic'" <DeMan[104]@hotmail.com> wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:

    news:grkqnvklcefn1a8r9418ocad22qc7kepj2@

    Quoted message said:

    Fat is not an issue for most normal people. 🙂

    Nor is *self-induced anaemia*, Gohde-boy: why don't you clear off to some place reserved for
    character-disordered half-wits who've thrown away their iron stores as well as their teeth?

    You'll see, BTW, that you have been *completely unsuccessful* in your pathetic attempts to convince
    my ISP that I shouldn't be allowed to remind people about what a pathetic creature you are: *get
    used to seeing me here*, Mr Gums.

    Ph.

  11. Once upon a time, our fellow Jenny rambled on about "Re: Gastric bypass resolves/improves diabetes."
    Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, for what it's worth, I am not fat. My BMI is well within normal for my height.

    Well, let me be perfectly clear.

    Actually, it is better to leave smn ... then to pollute this ng with your filth!

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

  12. Here is another new way to reduce food intake. Hopefully this one is less invasive

    ada

    Shocking Appetite to Cut Calories Wed Aug 7, 2002 People willing to take drastic measures to shed
    weight may soon have an alternative to stomach stapling--electric shock treatments. A US medical
    company has scooped up the patents on an electric shock weight-reducing device developed by an
    Italian doctor. New Jersey-based Transneuronix has tested the device on 300 patients around the
    world. The device is implanted near nerves in the stomach wall and sends out a tiny current 12 times
    a minute. "This slows down peristalsis, the sequence of muscle contractions that force food along
    the digestive tract, so you won't feel hungry again quickly," New Scientist magazine said on
    Wednesday. The device also contracts muscles and restricts the amount of food that can pass through
    the stomach. It can be left on constantly or just used when an urge to binge strikes.

    story.news.yahoo.comnews
    shock_dc_1

  13. On 14 Oct 2003 18:05:57 -0700, [email hidden] (ada) wrote:

    can you show some respect and not cross post from sci.med.nutrition to the diabetic groups?

    our goals are not the same.

  14. [email hidden] (ada) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh
    Medical Center

    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study

    You know what else resolves diabetes.... death, but I wouldn't recomend that either.

    TC

  15. Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "Re: Gastric bypass resolves/improves
    diabetes." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    You know what else resolves diabetes.... death, but I wouldn't recomend that either. TC

    Actually, TC, death doesn't change the fact that a person has diabetes.

    Science geeks are supposed to be precise, TC.

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

  16. John 'the Man said:

    Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "Re: Gastric bypass resolves/improves
    diabetes." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    You know what else resolves diabetes.... death, but I wouldn't recomend that either. TC

    Actually, TC, death doesn't change the fact that a person has diabetes.

    Science geeks are supposed to be precise, TC.

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

    I think death resolves, i.e. brings to resolution, most diseases. It's certainly precise enough for
    me. I suspect that the implication was that Gastric bypass is a fairly drastic "when all else fails"
    solution. Speaking only for myself, I think I'd look at every possible alternative first.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Oz
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  17. tcomeau said:

    [email hidden] (ada) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh Medical
    Center

    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study

    You know what else resolves diabetes.... death, but I wouldn't recomend that either.

    TC

    If ya'll 'd QUIT eating [censored],,,diabetes would NOT exist!! B-0b1

  18. B-Ob1 said:
    tcomeau said:

    [email hidden] (ada) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Public release date: 2-Oct-2003

    Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh Medical
    Center

    Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study

    You know what else resolves diabetes.... death, but I wouldn't recomend that either.

    TC

    If ya'll 'd QUIT eating [censored],,,diabetes would NOT exist!! B-0b1

    spoken like the fool who knows nothing about diabetes.

  19. B-Ob1 <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : tcomeau wrote:

    :> [email hidden] (ada) wrote in message
    :> news:<[email hidden]>...
    :> > Public release date: 2-Oct-2003
    :> >
    :> > Contact: Frank Raczkiewicz [email hidden] 412-647-3555 University of Pittsburgh Medical
    :> > Center
    :> >
    :> >
    :> > Gastric bypass surgery resolves or improves diabetes in most patients, reports Pittsburgh study
    :>

    Thru my nursing, i've met a # of people with diabetes.

    I know a man who lost all his obesity, he is still diabetic. He lost a
    limb. He will still likely lose another.

    I doubt it cures ("resolves"😉 diabetes.

    Emma

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