Jens

"S.t.e.v.e." <h90943@hotmaildotcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed that
| Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end.

Yeah, how dare him use tactics to try and win against a stronger rider. It's
not like he took, pulls with everyone else for the 180km before the last
3km.

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"S.t.e.v.e." <h90943@hotmaildotcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed
that
| Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end.

Yeah, how dare him use tactics to try and win against a stronger rider.
It's
not like he took, pulls with everyone else for the 180km before the last
3km.

Did Pereiro verbally shame Hincapie when Hincapie did it to Oscar last year?

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| > "S.t.e.v.e." <h90943@hotmaildotcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| > | Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed
| > that
| > | Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end.
| >
| > Yeah, how dare him use tactics to try and win against a stronger rider.
| > It's
| > not like he took, pulls with everyone else for the 180km before the last
| > 3km.
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| Did Pereiro verbally shame Hincapie when Hincapie did it to Oscar last
year?
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Did Pereiro suggest to Voigt that they work together and then not take a
pull? Did Voigt lose?

Also, I saw Voigt go up to Pereiro after the peloton came in, and
congratulate him with a big smile, so I'm pretty sure that at least at that
moment he wasn't shaming that Oscar guy verbally.

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"S.t.e.v.e." <h90943@hotmaildotcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed
that
| Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end.

Yeah, how dare him use tactics to try and win against a stronger rider.
It's
not like he took, pulls with everyone else for the 180km before the last
3km.

Did Pereiro verbally shame Hincapie when Hincapie did it to Oscar last

year?

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Hincapie is no Voigt.

S.t.e.v.e. said:

Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed that
Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end. Damm good finish.

He must be a doper though. I mean according to:
http://www.ivanbasso.net/?p=163
he owns a dog and two guinea pigs. How can you be pro with 2 guinea pigs
AND a dog and not be a doper ?

Donald Munro said:

S.t.e.v.e. said:

Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed that
Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end. Damm good finish.

He must be a doper though. I mean according to:
http://www.ivanbasso.net/?p=163
he owns a dog and two guinea pigs. How can you be pro with 2 guinea pigs
AND a dog and not be a doper ?

Not to forget the Millar line.

But on a semi-serious note, if Jens is a doper, I'll never watch cycling
again, throw away my bike and buy me a bigger car.
Well no, but, he is as Steve wrote the coolest guy in the peloton, and
he has said some very harsh words against dopers / doping.
So, for my own peace of mind, I hereby declare that it's totally
impossible that he dopes.

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Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed that
Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end. Damm good finish.

when do the dope test results come in?

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But on a semi-serious note, if Jens is a doper, I'll never watch cycling
again, throw away my bike and buy me a bigger car.
Well no, but, he is as Steve wrote the coolest guy in the peloton, and
he has said some very harsh words against dopers / doping.
So, for my own peace of mind, I hereby declare that it's totally
impossible that he dopes.

I once stated that I would quit following the sport if Hamilton and
Armstrong were dopers. Well, one has been "caught" and the other is always
under a cloud. For the record I do not believe that Lance used performance
enhancing drugs post 1998.

S.t.e.v.e. wrote:
For the record I do not believe that Lance used performance

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enhancing drugs post 1998.

Then why do you think Armstrong et al pays/paid Ferrari millions of
dollars a year?

S.t.e.v.e. said:

For the record I do not believe that Lance used performance

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enhancing drugs post 1998.

Warren G said:

Then why do you think Armstrong et al pays/paid Ferrari millions of
dollars a year?

Ferrari was his favourite charity ?

Warren G said:

S.t.e.v.e. wrote:
For the record I do not believe that Lance used performance

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enhancing drugs post 1998.

Then why do you think Armstrong et al pays/paid Ferrari millions of
dollars a year?

How many doctors really know the sport? Of those, what percentage also know the
dope? I'm guessing the second answer is close to 100%.

So who do you go to that knows the life and practice of modern cycling that is
ignorant of doping?

Ron

Donald Munro said:

S.t.e.v.e. said:

Sure good to see the coolest guy in the peloton win. Must have shamed that
Oscar guy verbally for leaching at the end. Damm good finish.

He must be a doper though. I mean according to:
http://www.ivanbasso.net/?p=163
he owns a dog and two guinea pigs. How can you be pro with 2 guinea pigs
AND a dog and not be a doper ?

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From this picture:

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour0613/DV93252>

Jens is clearly on something more dangerous
than orange juice. I bet him and Zabriskie get
along well.

Ben
fan of Jens

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<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour0613/DV93252>

Jens is clearly on something more dangerous
than orange juice. I bet him and Zabriskie get
along well.

Ben
fan of Jens

Then I wont' point out that he only just finished the race.

-- How many fingers am I holding up?
-- Thursday.

--
Michael Press

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Warren G said:

S.t.e.v.e. wrote:
For the record I do not believe that Lance used performance

Quoted message said:

enhancing drugs post 1998.

Then why do you think Armstrong et al pays/paid Ferrari millions of
dollars a year?

How many doctors really know the sport? Of those, what percentage also
know the dope? I'm guessing the second answer is close to 100%.

So who do you go to that knows the life and practice of modern cycling
that is ignorant of doping?

That argument applies equally to Dr Fuentes' clients as to Dr Ferarri's.
If we assume Basso and Ullrich are guilty because they /may /have/ been
clients of Dr Fuentes, must we not also assume Headstrong (and the Disco
boys generally) are guilty because they were acknowledgedly clients of
Dr Ferrari? Conversely, if we give Headstrong the benefit of the doubt,
must we not also give it to Ullrich and Basso?

Also, Jens rides for Bjarne Riis, someone widely accused here of being a
doper. People keep alleging that Landis must be a doper because he rides
for a 'dirty team'. Does that mean that nice guy Jens is also doping?

--
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;; So, before proceeding with definitive screwing, choose the
;; position most congenital.
-- instructions for fitting bicycle handlebars

"Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Then I wont' point out that he only just finished the race.

The race? Do you mean the stage?

Simon Brooke said:

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Warren G said:

S.t.e.v.e. wrote:
For the record I do not believe that Lance used performance
> enhancing drugs post 1998.

Then why do you think Armstrong et al pays/paid Ferrari millions of
dollars a year?

How many doctors really know the sport? Of those, what percentage also
know the dope? I'm guessing the second answer is close to 100%.

So who do you go to that knows the life and practice of modern cycling
that is ignorant of doping?

That argument applies equally to Dr Fuentes' clients as to Dr Ferarri's.
If we assume Basso and Ullrich are guilty because they /may /have/ been
clients of Dr Fuentes, must we not also assume Headstrong (and the Disco
boys generally) are guilty because they were acknowledgedly clients of
Dr Ferrari? Conversely, if we give Headstrong the benefit of the doubt,
must we not also give it to Ullrich and Basso?

IFF, there is no evidence of any illegal or improper treatment then they are
presumed clean. Or should be.

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Also, Jens rides for Bjarne Riis, someone widely accused here of being a
doper. People keep alleging that Landis must be a doper because he rides
for a 'dirty team'. Does that mean that nice guy Jens is also doping?

Probably, but that's not the answer anybody wants.

Ron

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Carl Sundquist said:

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Then I wont' point out that he only just finished the race.

The race? Do you mean the stage?

Sorry, stage.

Generically a race, because he was racing Pereiro for the
stage win. He was not thinking to himself, this is only a
competition for the stage win.

--
Michael Press