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  1. I had to replace the brake blocks on my 6-month-old Dawes Horizon at
    the weekend. Whilst fiddling around trying not to lose the washers and
    whatnot, I was thinking:

    Why am I replacing these? Because they are totally worn out.
    Why are they worn out? Because I use the brakes a lot.
    Why do I use the brakes? Because, doing mostly town/in traffic riding,
    I have to slow/stop a lot.
    Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up.

    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
    bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

    PhilD

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  2. PhilD said:

    Why am I replacing these? Because they are totally worn out.
    Why are they worn out? Because I use the brakes a lot.
    Why do I use the brakes? Because, doing mostly town/in traffic riding,
    I have to slow/stop a lot.
    Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up.

    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
    bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

    The trick is in the "Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up". If
    you don't speed up so much then you won't have to slow down so much.
    Having not done the accelerating you'll have done less work, so your
    legs will still be up for more.

    The more you can anticipate slowing down the more you can coast. Not
    much use if you like to be in a hurry the whole time, of course, but it
    does work (and is indeed mentioned in the current VeloVision in the
    Brakes Buyers' Guide).

    No charge, btw! ;-)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  3. "PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
    bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

    Hmm. Have a electric regenerative system which instead of charging a battery
    powers some nice big lamps, which shine on the potato plants growing on the
    back rack. Then eat the potatoes?

    Have a bike where the rider is free to go up and down over quite a large
    range (would have to be > 1 metre). At lights, the braking mechanism lifts
    the rider, then when they set off again the rider is allowed to fall, thus
    accelerating them. Obviously would need some sort of stand arrangement,
    since being > 1m up in the air means the rider won't be able to reach the
    floor.

    (one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large hump
    at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).

    cheers,
    clive

  4. Go slower and think ahead

    SW

  5. In article <[email hidden]>

    Clive George said:

    "PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
    bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

    Hmm. Have a electric regenerative system which instead of charging a battery
    powers some nice big lamps, which shine on the potato plants growing on the
    back rack. Then eat the potatoes?

    Have a bike where the rider is free to go up and down over quite a large
    range (would have to be > 1 metre). At lights, the braking mechanism lifts
    the rider, then when they set off again the rider is allowed to fall, thus
    accelerating them. Obviously would need some sort of stand arrangement,
    since being > 1m up in the air means the rider won't be able to reach the
    floor.

    (one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large hump
    at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).


    How about a large clock spring in the hub? Or a piston arrangement that
    charges a receiver with air on braking, and works as a pneumatic engine
    on restarting? :-)

  6. Quoted message said:

    Go slower and think ahead

    While this advice is excellent, it does mean that the rider can no longer
    enjoy quite as many PIES, CAKES and pints of BEER.

    Trundling along saves about 2-3 minutes on my short, traffic-light infested
    route. It's quite disgraceful, but the plus point in going fast is the
    extra food and drink I can consume. Oh, and the nice legs.

  7. PhilD <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

    Quoted message said:


    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    Of course it could be done, and has been, but the equipment would add
    considerably to the weight of the bike so you use extra energy to pedal
    it - more than you gain by recycling it.

    Modern people don't take enough exercise anyway.

    --
    Sue ];(🙂

    Bicycle helmets are really a bit of a scam.
    They make most cyclists slightly less safe but there's money in selling them.

  8. Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>

    Clive George said:

    "PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
    bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.


    Hmm. Have a electric regenerative system which instead of charging a battery
    powers some nice big lamps, which shine on the potato plants growing on the
    back rack. Then eat the potatoes?

    Have a bike where the rider is free to go up and down over quite a large
    range (would have to be > 1 metre). At lights, the braking mechanism lifts
    the rider, then when they set off again the rider is allowed to fall, thus
    accelerating them. Obviously would need some sort of stand arrangement,
    since being > 1m up in the air means the rider won't be able to reach the
    floor.

    (one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large hump
    at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).


    How about a large clock spring in the hub? Or a piston arrangement that
    charges a receiver with air on braking, and works as a pneumatic engine
    on restarting? :-)

    How about a flywheel which is spun up under deceleration. With the
    possible benefit that gyroscopic stability from the spinning flywheel
    would enable much easier trackstanding at junctions.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>
    TheMgt <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    How about a flywheel which is spun up under deceleration. With the
    possible benefit that gyroscopic stability from the spinning flywheel
    would enable much easier trackstanding at junctions.


    Not so clever if you're turning at the junction :-)


  10. Quoted message said:

    (one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large
    hump at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).


    London Underground have beaten you to it. Most of the stations are built on
    humps to allegedly save on brakes when approaching a station and to aid
    acceleration and save electricity when departing.

  11. Peter Clinch said:

    PhilD wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why am I replacing these? Because they are totally worn out.
    Why are they worn out? Because I use the brakes a lot.
    Why do I use the brakes? Because, doing mostly town/in traffic riding,
    I have to slow/stop a lot.
    Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up.

    Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
    the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
    if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
    the next accelerating phase?

    If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
    bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

    Quoted message said:

    The trick is in the "Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up". If
    you don't speed up so much then you won't have to slow down so much.
    Having not done the accelerating you'll have done less work, so your
    legs will still be up for more.

    Quoted message said:

    The more you can anticipate slowing down the more you can coast. Not
    much use if you like to be in a hurry the whole time, of course, but it
    does work (and is indeed mentioned in the current VeloVision in the
    Brakes Buyers' Guide).

    I'm basically an ancient trundler, but I'm good at forecasting traffic
    behaviour, so I sometimes annoy much younger faster cyclists in
    congested traffic by drifting further and further ahead of their
    strenuous efforts, just because I'm more often in positions where
    I don't have to stop.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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