Why...

Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy their
sports, while north americans cover up for their sports

WeaselPoopPower said:

Why does all this always happen happen during prime time of the cycling
season?

If the goal is to save cycling and the protect the riders health why is
the timing always such to ensure maximum damage to the sport, the
athletes careers, and conversely at an optimal time for increasing book
sales and forwarding careers?

I never understood this either, its almost as if europeans are trying
to kill their sports.

Even in baseball with the steriods scandal, etc...the US press is
nothing like the euro press..

WeaselPoopPower said:

Why does all this always happen happen during prime time of the cycling
season?

If the goal is to save cycling and the protect the riders health why is
the timing always such to ensure maximum damage to the sport, the
athletes careers, and conversely at an optimal time for increasing book
sales and forwarding careers?

What makes you think that cops and prosecutors even care about what
happens to cycling (Europe or the USA)?

WeaselPoopPower said:

Why does all this always happen happen during prime time of the cycling
season?

If the goal is to save cycling and the protect the riders health why is
the timing always such to ensure maximum damage to the sport, the
athletes careers, and conversely at an optimal time for increasing book
sales and forwarding careers?

do you mean caring in the sense that they want to attack the sport?

it seems like US cops/prosecuters dont care to go after US sports,
while in europe they do. I know there are exceptions , but clearly
there is a difference in the zeal towards the matter. the difference is
also evident with the media of the US/Europe.

Quoted message said:

What makes you think that cops and prosecutors even care about what
happens to cycling (Europe or the USA)?

WeaselPoopPower said:

Why does all this always happen happen during prime time of the cycling
season?

If the goal is to save cycling and the protect the riders health why is
the timing always such to ensure maximum damage to the sport, the
athletes careers, and conversely at an optimal time for increasing book
sales and forwarding careers?

shane said:

it seems like US cops/prosecuters dont care to go after US sports,
while in europe they do.

Exactly what actual crime would US cops/prosecuters be trying to stop?

ob.tdf-picks:

1 - Ullrich (wants to retire on the top step of the podium and finally
settle down with his future wife, leaving all this behind)

2 - Basso (< 1 minute behind, his newborn baby's is taking away from his
getting sufficient sleep, and he didn't promise his dying mother he'd
win the TdF, did he?)

3 - not sure, but I'd guess not Leipheimer (I didn't like how he
referred to dropping from 5th to 6th on the final stage last year as due
to "confusion"--he simply got outridden despite having what, a 4:1?
manpower ratio advantage over Vinokourov--I guess if he's really learned
how not to turn a strength into a weakness, he might make it)

Quoted message said:

Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy their
sports, while north americans cover up for their sports

There's also a fundamental difference in the criminal justice system when
you look at the US and, for example, France. In France, you are required to
prove your innocence, and can be held for eons. In the US, the state is
required to prove your guilt. I think that may have something to do with
the differences you see in how the public views the various scandals.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy their
sports, while north americans cover up for their sports

WeaselPoopPower said:

Why does all this always happen happen during prime time of the cycling
season?

If the goal is to save cycling and the protect the riders health why is
the timing always such to ensure maximum damage to the sport, the
athletes careers, and conversely at an optimal time for increasing book
sales and forwarding careers?

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy their
sports, while north americans cover up for their sports

There's also a fundamental difference in the criminal justice system when
you look at the US and, for example, France. In France, you are required to
prove your innocence, and can be held for eons.

Presumption of innocence was part of the French Revolution's Declaration
of Rights. Additionally France is a member of the EU which has presumption
of innocence in its constitution.

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:HZgRysK4vEgJ:www.lag.org.uk/shared_asp_files/uploadedfiles/4E8D9938-2790-4A59-B148-843C41FEF3B2_ACCUSERORINQUISITOR-final.doc+french+legal+system+presumption+of+innocence&hl=en&gl=za&ct=clnk&cd=58

Quoted message said:

In the US, the state is required to prove your guilt.

In the US the rich have a much better chance of being acquitted than the
poor.

Donald Munro a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy their
sports, while north americans cover up for their sports

There's also a fundamental difference in the criminal justice system when
you look at the US and, for example, France. In France, you are required to
prove your innocence, and can be held for eons.

Presumption of innocence was part of the French Revolution's Declaration
of Rights. Additionally France is a member of the EU which has presumption
of innocence in its constitution.

Which constitution is that ?

--

Sandy - “

- Someone who knows too much finds it hard not to lie.”
- Wittgenstein, L.

WeaselPoopPower said:

Why does all this always happen happen during prime time of the cycling
season?

If the goal is to save cycling and the protect the riders health why is
the timing always such to ensure maximum damage to the sport, the
athletes careers, and conversely at an optimal time for increasing book
sales and forwarding careers?

The goal is to sell newspapers. why would they release all the TDF
rider dish in december.

Donald Munro said:

In the US the rich have a much better chance of being acquitted than the
poor.

And you are thinking this is unique to the U.S.? Was reading an
interesting article recently about the man 'who would be king' in
Italy and how he discharged a rifle from a deck of his boat, killing a
man nearby - and was aquitted. Lombardy or not, he isn't even likley
to be made King in his lifetime (posthumously I don't know...)

The titled rick especially seem to get their share of easily disposed
justice - sort of like the Kennedy clan in the U.S.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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Donald Munro said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy their
sports, while north americans cover up for their sports

There's also a fundamental difference in the criminal justice system when
you look at the US and, for example, France. In France, you are required to
prove your innocence, and can be held for eons.

Presumption of innocence was part of the French Revolution's Declaration
of Rights. Additionally France is a member of the EU which has presumption
of innocence in its constitution.

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:HZgRysK4vEgJ:www.lag.org.uk/shared_asp_files/uploadedfiles/4E8D9938-2790-4A59-B148-843C41FEF3B2_ACCUSERORINQUISITOR-final.doc+french+legal+system+presumption+of+innocence&hl=en&gl=za&ct=clnk&cd=58

Quoted message said:

In the US, the state is required to prove your guilt.

In the US the rich have a much better chance of being acquitted than the
poor.

And of being indicted. I think the systems present
different approaches, yet in practice results are the
same.

--
Michael Press

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Donald Munro a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

> Its amazing to me how europeans do everything to try to destroy
> their sports, while north americans cover up for their sports
>
There's also a fundamental difference in the criminal justice system
when you look at the US and, for example, France. In France, you are
required to prove your innocence, and can be held for eons.

Presumption of innocence was part of the French Revolution's
Declaration of Rights. Additionally France is a member of the EU which
has presumption of innocence in its constitution.

Which constitution is that ?

The one you lot voted out last year?

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Curtis L. Russell said:

And you are thinking this is unique to the U.S.? Was reading an
interesting article recently about the man 'who would be king' in
Italy and how he discharged a rifle from a deck of his boat, killing a
man nearby - and was aquitted.

The man who would be jesus even made laws to ensure that he couldn't be
investigated for corruption or bribery when he was prime minister of
italy. Probably didn't make it onto fox news though as he was a boy george
supporter.

Sandy said:

Which constitution is that ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights#Article_6_-_right_to_a_fair_trial

Donald Munro a écrit :

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Sandy said:

Which constitution is that ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights#Article_6_-_right_to_a_fair_trial

Unconstituted !!
France 56 - Constitution 44
Netherlands 61 - Constitution 39
UK - winner over DNS by Constitution.

Not to worry - it remains the law, although separately, all over.

And a Wiki cite ?? try

http://europa.eu.int/constitution/fr/part20_fr.htm#a131

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Sandy

- Statistics show that of those who contract the habit of eating, very
few survive.”
- Shaw, G.B.

Donald Munro said:

The man who would be jesus even made laws to ensure that he couldn't be
investigated for corruption or bribery when he was prime minister of
italy. Probably didn't make it onto fox news though as he was a boy george
supporter.

It made the news. Seriously flawed strategy as it hinged on him and
his party controlling the Italian government until Hell froze over or
he died, whichever came first. Losing the last election was probably a
seriously bad career move.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...