RELEASED: SMARTrain V1.0

Haha, I thought this may have been a funny post.

"Smart Rain, the weather pattern that pours everytime you put all your cycling gear on and are just
about to head off on a ride".

Happens here in Melbourne a fair bit. Gear up, it rains, gear down, it turns sunny, gear up again,
it rains! I had to bite the bullet last week and went on a drizzly ride anyhow.

Paul Giant ATX

"Joseph Cipale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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SMARTrain V 1.0 for Linux/Unix is now available for download. Go to: aracnet.com~joecOpen ↗
Click on the "SW" link, then follow the link to the SMARTrain download page. This software has
been tested on a number of Linux variants, Solaris, AIX and SunOS. Previous versions have been
built and used on Apple OSX platforms. If there is a user who would like to use the application on
an OSX workstation, please drop me a line and I will make the source code available.

Regards,

Joe Cipale
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Joseph Cipale <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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SMARTrain V 1.0 for Linux/Unix is now available for download. Go to: aracnet.com~joecOpen ↗

Joe - I took a look at the web site, but was not tempted to download. I think you need to add more
detail to the web site, especially the goals and features of the software. Some screenshots would be
very helpful. Somewhere in there I saw something that implies that it works with Windows, (for those
of us that are cursed), but in the download links, I didn't see a Windows version.

Good luck, Erik, who hopes to cross over to the good guys (Linux) soon....

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Quoted message said:

SMARTrain V 1.0 for Linux/Unix is now available for download. Go to:
aracnet.com~joecOpen ↗

Joe - I took a look at the web site, but was not tempted to download. I think you need to add more
detail to the web site, especially the goals and features of the software. Some screenshots would
be very helpful. Somewhere in there I saw something that implies that it works with Windows, (for
those of us that are cursed), but in the download links, I didn't see a Windows version.

Good luck, Erik, who hopes to cross over to the good guys (Linux) soon....

Anyone that read the description and understood it would not expect screen shots.

Nick Burns said:

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Erik, who hopes to cross over to the good guys (Linux) soon....

I run Linux, but can't use that app, because it does not provide source code, and is only compiled
for x86 Linux. The web page says that sources will be distributed eventually... why not do that now
if you're going to at all.

Other problems:

Never, Ever make tarballs that don't uncompress in their own directory. This one barfs out into the
current directory. ARGH.

What's with the .o files and a final compile step? That's just weird, at least in the Linux world
where I'm from. Apparently some proprietary unixes used to do that for their kernels, so that you
could relink things... but not my department in any case.

Why not make a library out of it so that people can add their own front ends? Maybe it's that way
already, but I can't tell because it's all object files. With something like Tcl and Tk you could
make both a GUI and a web interface...

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Anyone that read the description and understood it would not expect screen shots.

And yet more than half the tarball is screenshots:-)

Ciao,
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In rec.bicycles.tech David N. Welton said:

What's with the .o files and a final compile step? That's just weird, at least in the Linux world
where I'm from. Apparently some proprietary unixes used to do that for their kernels, so that you
could relink things... but not my department in any case.

Ah. You must mean the Berkely Software Distribution, which is about as far from a "proprietary" Unix
as one can get. I'll assume you've never used any Unix based OS besides Linux, so I'll forgive your
parochialism.

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"David N. Welton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Nick Burns said:

Quoted message said:

Erik, who hopes to cross over to the good guys (Linux) soon....

I run Linux, but can't use that app, because it does not provide source code, and is only compiled
for x86 Linux. The web page says that sources will be distributed eventually... why not do that
now if you're going to at all.

Other problems:

Never, Ever make tarballs that don't uncompress in their own directory. This one barfs out into
the current directory. ARGH.

What's with the .o files and a final compile step? That's just weird, at least in the Linux world
where I'm from. Apparently some proprietary unixes used to do that for their kernels, so that you
could relink things... but not my department in any case.

Why not make a library out of it so that people can add their own front ends? Maybe it's that way
already, but I can't tell because it's all object files. With something like Tcl and Tk you could
make both a GUI and a web interface...

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Anyone that read the description and understood it would not expect screen shots.

And yet more than half the tarball is screenshots:-)

Yuck. That did not sound like fun.

Anyway, I am relatively happy with the tools I have and there was no way this one would help me.

I would like to see a SQL based DB for cycling. You should see some of the amazing applications
available for baseball, hockey, football and probably many other sports too. I have never really
seen any really sophisticated (scalable, develop your own front-ends, etc.) databases for cycling.
Maybe I will have to do it myself one day. I figure as soon as I spend a lot of time on it, someone
will publish a link to an existing one that will prove to me I wasted my time.

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Michael Fischbein <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Ah. You must mean the Berkely Software Distribution, which is about as far from a "proprietary"
: Unix as one can get. I'll assume you've never used any Unix based OS besides Linux, so I'll
: forgive your parochialism.

most BSDs never did that - they never had to, you had source ('cept for SunOS), the OSes that i
remember doing that were most certainly proprietary, tho: SunOS and early IRIX and HP-UX for
instance. basically any situation where you needed to link some third-party object file into your
kernel (this was pre kernel modules, eh) as an end step but don't want to distribute source. and
they sure weren't giving you their precious kernel source with- out the lawyers present.

it is a damn strange thing to do in user-space. if you need to link it with something else it's
called a library. if you don't then link it. if you're worried about dynamically linking it against
library versions not on other boxes consider linking it statically. or consider giving out the
source. you may want to consider using a *Makefile*.

you should also be more explicit about your license. i know it's GPL (why only with the mandrake
compilation?) from the toc.html but you ought to put a file LICENSE in the directory (that doesn't
tar out all over the cwd). there should also be a notice that this is GPL'd code in every source
file. also, using the GPL doesn't make much sense w/o the, errr, SOURCE CODE.

consider the BSD license?

chmod 711 toc.html? 644, maybe?
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David N. Welton said:

What's with the .o files and a final compile step? That's just weird, at least in the Linux world
where I'm from.

I've been in the linux world for a long time. I have seen programs distributed this way. It was
primarily in the early days of shared libraries, when you could not be real sure of how they might
be linked. The last program I recall being distributed that way was olvwm -- and if so, that must
have been a very long time ago.

Maybe some part of the code is proprietary, so he compiled in, but perhaps there is some choice of
widget set that can be linked as you want?

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Why not make a library out of it so that people can add their own front ends? Maybe it's that way
already, but I can't tell because it's all object files.

The distinction between a static library and an object file is minimal.

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In rec.bicycles.tech David L. Johnson <[email hidden]> wrote:
: The distinction between a static library and an object file is minimal.

yea, except that there's only one library -- instead of, say, 7 .o files floating around. it's a
logistical distinction. esp if you're supporting N platforms the number of .o files gets quickly out
of hand (N*7).

there's really no reason to distribute .o files.
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David Reuteler said:

there's really no reason to distribute .o files.

Not if you are distributing the source, no. In all liklihood the guy just forgot to make clean
before he tarred up the archive.

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