What about Stiff wheels

SlowPokey said:

I'm a clydesdale who can power some wheels that are a little heavier.

What is your idea of "clydesdale"? 200 pounds, or 300? It makes a difference.

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I distroyed some Mavic Cosmos last year by just riding them.

what have they got, 15 spokes? Something like that is bound to happen.

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Will stronger/heavier wheels beat me up and be too unforgiving?

They will forgive you for whatever you do. But no wheel, no matter how few or many spokes, has any
appreciable suspension characteristics. If it is _not_ rigid, it will quickly fail.

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Building some Velocity Deep V's/ 32x3.

32 spokes is Ok at 200 lbs, but not at 250. 36 is better, especially if you want reliable.

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Would a change from 700x23 to 700x25/26 make the difference.

In a word, yes.

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SlowPokey said:

Will stronger/heavier wheels beat me up and be too unforgiving?

Not in my opinion. Wouldn't vertically flexible wheels suck a lot of power anyway?

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Building some Velocity Deep V's/ 32x3.

That's what I ride/race on, and they hold up great, with "great" meaning a minor touch up on the
truing stand every 1000 miles.

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Would a change from 700x23 to 700x25/26 make the difference.

Probably, but I don't pinch flat with 23's at 230lbs. :-)

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David L. Johnson said:

SlowPokey said:

Building some Velocity Deep V's/ 32x3.

32 spokes is Ok at 200 lbs, but not at 250. 36 is better, especially if you want reliable.

I agree that "more is better", but a 32-spoke Deep V is a stronger wheel than a 36-spoke with a
semi-aero rim. He'll probably do just fine. I just ordered the stuff to build up an "aero" front
wheel for my tandem - the same Deep V rim, and 36 bladed spokes. Should be fun...

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Would a change from 700x23 to 700x25/26 make the difference.

In a word, yes.

Yes indeed!

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I'm a clydesdale who can power some wheels that are a little heavier.

I distroyed some Mavic Cosmos last year by just riding them.

Will stronger/heavier wheels beat me up and be too unforgiving?

Nope. The wheels have basically no effect on the ride quality.

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Building some Velocity Deep V's/ 32x3.

Would a change from 700x23 to 700x25/26 make the difference.

Probably a huge one.

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Quoted message said:

I'm a clydesdale who can power some wheels that are a little heavier.

I distroyed some Mavic Cosmos last year by just riding them.

Will stronger/heavier wheels beat me up and be too unforgiving?

Building some Velocity Deep V's/ 32x3.

Would a change from 700x23 to 700x25/26 make the difference.

Welcome to the clydesdale club! Let's set some things straight. Weaker wheels = bent wheels. If a
wheel has any vertical compliance, it will also have horizontal compliance and that is a sure ticket
for a bent wheel. Velocity Deep V's are great (I have one on my mountain bike), but not necessary. A
36 spoke wheel will be fine. I've been riding a set of 32 spoke wheels for a few years now without
any problems (and I'm 220lbs).

Now about tires. The larger the tire, the greater the volume of air inside and the lower pressure
required. Higher pressure = harder tire = harder ride. Bigger tires will allow you to run lower
pressures which will make a huge difference in the ride quality.

Good luck, Buck

Mark Hickey said:

I agree that "more is better", but a 32-spoke Deep V is a stronger wheel than a 36-spoke with a
semi-aero rim. He'll probably do just fine. I just ordered the stuff to build up an "aero" front
wheel for my tandem - the same Deep V rim, and 36 bladed spokes. Should be fun...

Hmm. 36 spokes, Deep V rim, strong enough for a tandem?  Really? This gives me some ideas. I have a
tandem frame I want to build up, but the rear spread is 130mm, and I can't find a cassette hub with
more than 36 spokes that isn't 140mm or more. Maybe this will work. Let me know how it goes, Mark.

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SlowPokey said:

I'm a clydesdale who can power some wheels that are a little heavier.

I distroyed some Mavic Cosmos last year by just riding them.

Will stronger/heavier wheels beat me up and be too unforgiving?

Wheels have no detectable "give", except for lateral flex.

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Building some Velocity Deep V's/ 32x3.

Would a change from 700x23 to 700x25/26 make the difference.

I don't know what you mean by "Clydesdale".

36 spoke wheels on deep section rims were marginal for me when I weighed a strong 250 lbs. The front
held up for proabably 35,000 miles and still looks good. The rear gave up quickly after only a
couple of high mileage months.

Now that I weigh 360+ I use 48 spoke wheels as a rule, and they are reliable. One of my bikes has a
dishless 40 spoke rear and a 36 spoke front, well built on sturdy Super Champion #58 rims, and it
seems to be doing OK. My total miles on those wheels are maybe 200, though-- which is no proof of
durability, only an indication that they won't expire instantly.

FWIW, forty-eight 15/16ga. or 15/17ga. spokes weigh less than thirty-six 14ga. spokes. They look a
lot cooler too.

If you weigh more than a racer, you should use a bigger tire than a racer. If you've got caliper
brakes, just use the fattest treads that will fit under the brakes. You'll get longer tread life,
better ride qualities and traction, and better longevity from your wheels.

Chalo Colina

David L. Johnson said:

Mark Hickey said:

I agree that "more is better", but a 32-spoke Deep V is a stronger wheel than a 36-spoke with a
semi-aero rim. He'll probably do just fine. I just ordered the stuff to build up an "aero" front
wheel for my tandem - the same Deep V rim, and 36 bladed spokes. Should be fun...

Hmm. 36 spokes, Deep V rim, strong enough for a tandem?  Really? This gives me some ideas. I have a
tandem frame I want to build up, but the rear spread is 130mm, and I can't find a cassette hub with
more than 36 spokes that isn't 140mm or more. Maybe this will work. Let me know how it goes, Mark.

Heck, I've been running 36 spoke wheels front and rear since I bought the thing about 15 years ago,
using Mavic Open 4CDs, then Sun ME14A rims (both similar to the ever-present Mavic Open Pro). My
wife and I are lighter than some teams (at under 300 pounds load up for a long ride), but I just
don't worry about the wheels. I'm sure the front deep V, bladed spoke wheel will be the least likely
wheel to fail that I've ridden on the bike (I thought about going 32, but would never forgive myself
I had problems with it... I may sell ti bikes, but I'm really not a weight weenie). ;-)

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame