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  1. "I'm tired of people always saying that riders are imbeciles and that nobody
    knows what's going on," Roux said of the pro scene. "Everyone knows what's
    going on, including the journalists who are with us every day. I am here in
    front of this court to say all this even though I risk paying for it for the
    rest of my life. But whatever happens, I'm going to say what I know."
    http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2187

    Actually, they're not journalists. The list of journalists covering cycling
    is a very short one. On the list:
    1. Walsh
    2. Ballestier
    3. Italian journalist who confronted Alejet about his drug use (I forget his
    name).
    4. William Fotheringham (arguably)
    5. Daniel Coyle

  2. B. Lafferty said:

    "I'm tired of people always saying that riders are imbeciles and that nobody
    knows what's going on," Roux said of the pro scene. "Everyone knows what's
    going on, including the journalists who are with us every day. I am here in
    front of this court to say all this even though I risk paying for it for the
    rest of my life. But whatever happens, I'm going to say what I know."
    http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2187

    Actually, they're not journalists. The list of journalists covering cycling
    is a very short one. On the list:
    1. Walsh
    2. Ballestier
    3. Italian journalist who confronted Alejet about his drug use (I forget his
    name).
    4. William Fotheringham (arguably)
    5. Daniel Coyle

    6. Hack named Jones.
    7. ???
    8. Profit.

  3. B. Lafferty said:

    "I'm tired of people always saying that riders are imbeciles and that nobody
    knows what's going on," Roux said of the pro scene. "Everyone knows what's
    going on, including the journalists who are with us every day. I am here in
    front of this court to say all this even though I risk paying for it for the
    rest of my life. But whatever happens, I'm going to say what I know."
    http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2187

    Actually, they're not journalists. The list of journalists covering cycling
    is a very short one. On the list:
    1. Walsh
    2. Ballestier
    3. Italian journalist who confronted Alejet about his drug use (I forget his
    name).
    4. William Fotheringham (arguably)
    5. Daniel Coyle

    Damn dude,

    You even purged Damien Ressiot from the list.
    What did he do to lose his Party card?

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    B. Lafferty said:

    "I'm tired of people always saying that riders are imbeciles and that
    nobody
    knows what's going on," Roux said of the pro scene. "Everyone knows
    what's
    going on, including the journalists who are with us every day. I am here
    in
    front of this court to say all this even though I risk paying for it for
    the
    rest of my life. But whatever happens, I'm going to say what I know."
    http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2187

    Actually, they're not journalists. The list of journalists covering
    cycling
    is a very short one. On the list:
    1. Walsh
    2. Ballestier
    3. Italian journalist who confronted Alejet about his drug use (I forget
    his
    name).
    4. William Fotheringham (arguably)
    5. Daniel Coyle

    Damn dude,

    You even purged Damien Ressiot from the list.
    What did he do to lose his Party card?

    My list wasn't exhaustive. I'd add Ressiot, Jeff Jones and Charles Pelkey
    (although he is no longer doing cycling journalism full time). One who is
    definitely not on the list is Pier Bergonzi.

  5. B. Lafferty said:


    My list wasn't exhaustive. I'd add Ressiot, Jeff Jones and Charles Pelkey
    (although he is no longer doing cycling journalism full time). One who is
    definitely not on the list is Pier Bergonzi.

    There goes the BlueBerry...

    Thank you for the include, but I'm not sure what definition you're
    using as a cycling journalist. Obviously one that includes hacks like
    me :-) There are quite a lot of journos in Europe with cycling as their
    main gig, although many - including most those you mentioned - cover
    other sports or other topics. I do cover cycling exclusively, but my
    actual writing time is fairly limited.

    If you're talking about investigative journalists, then that's
    something else. You need to invest the money and time into chasing a
    story (which we do from time to time), then if you put accusations into
    print, then you have to have the facts, lawyers and resources to back
    you up. The bigger your publishing company, the more clout you have.
    The Times and L'Equipe can do this, for example.

    To do a good, bulletproof investigative story is quite difficult. If
    you cover one side of the story, or one rider, then the perception is
    that you have an axe to grind, and your cred comes under fire. It's
    easy to shoot the messenger then. If you cover both sides in equal
    depth, then the perception *can* be that your story is wishy-washy, so
    no-one can be crucified. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't
    :-)

    Sometimes, the conclusion you reach in your story differs markedly from
    your own opinion on the matter, but "I went by my gut feeling" doesn't
    stand up well in court.

    Jeff

  6. Jeff Jones a écrit :

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    My list wasn't exhaustive. I'd add Ressiot, Jeff Jones and Charles Pelkey
    (although he is no longer doing cycling journalism full time). One who is
    definitely not on the list is Pier Bergonzi.

    There goes the BlueBerry...

    Thank you for the include, but I'm not sure what definition you're
    using as a cycling journalist. Obviously one that includes hacks like
    me :-) There are quite a lot of journos in Europe with cycling as their
    main gig, although many - including most those you mentioned - cover
    other sports or other topics. I do cover cycling exclusively, but my
    actual writing time is fairly limited.

    If you're talking about investigative journalists, then that's
    something else. You need to invest the money and time into chasing a
    story (which we do from time to time), then if you put accusations into
    print, then you have to have the facts, lawyers and resources to back
    you up. The bigger your publishing company, the more clout you have.
    The Times and L'Equipe can do this, for example.

    To do a good, bulletproof investigative story is quite difficult. If
    you cover one side of the story, or one rider, then the perception is
    that you have an axe to grind, and your cred comes under fire. It's
    easy to shoot the messenger then. If you cover both sides in equal
    depth, then the perception *can* be that your story is wishy-washy, so
    no-one can be crucified. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't
    :-)

    Sometimes, the conclusion you reach in your story differs markedly from
    your own opinion on the matter, but "I went by my gut feeling" doesn't
    stand up well in court.

    Jeff


    Well, even though I plague you with my armchair copyediting, I am happy
    to consider your work as having very high integrity. The big advantage
    - which you make readily available - is the listing of a story's history
    within your reporting. It is inevitable that stories follow unseen
    paths, and the remarkable part of CN is this anchor in the past reality,
    both of events and of public statements. Further, your articles tend to
    remind the reader, directly, of the remaining points of
    contention/contradiction that are too easily pushed aside. Finally, by
    excerpting longish parts of public statements in CN, you avoid headline
    oriented but context poor slants.

    So what if you're a hack - you figured out a way to get paid to stay on
    your bike. A nice hack.

    --

    Sandy

    S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
    S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
    S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
    - Geluck, P.

  7. Sandy said:

    So what if you're a hack - you figured out a way to get paid to stay on
    your bike. A nice hack.

    He's got a blimp full of podium girls too.

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