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  1. "Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    Studies have shown that black women build muscle a lot easier then
    either Caucasian or Asian women, due to higher testosterone levels.

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    BTW, other hormones also have anabolic properties, but these are not
    much of an issue in men.

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    I'm not arguing that some people don't add muscle easier than others.
    I am simply arguing that everyone (even Asian women) have enough T to
    see results with the lift and eat method of weight training.

    I always whatch the World Weightlifting Championship. And yes, the Asian
    women in the the lighter classes, who, besides beeing very appealing to me,
    often have very well developed legs. But what you see on the platform are
    the best of the best, the top .01%. And a lot them were suspended in recent
    years. And some never get caught. Thats just the way it is, right or wrong.
    And, like i said before, testosterone is not the only hormone with anabolic
    properties, but these are not an issue in men.

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    For those of us that can't go to the local pharmacy and purchase
    anabolic hormones legally, lifting and eating is the best advice
    around.

    Hey, that is ALWAYS the best advice, i am not arguing about that.
    When i trained at home at age 28-30, i got my weight up to 230, without the
    use of steroids.

    But there are many people who bust their balls for in the gym, and never
    gain one single pound. Okay, perhaps 5 poundfs, but ithink thats not
    weortwhile taken ito consiferation are those grueling intense sessions.

    In that case, my advise is always to check your T-levels, no big deal.
    Just as you check your blood pressure and cholesterol level.

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    Sure, you'd do better with more T, and getting yourself checked is
    probably a good idea, but it's beyond simplistic to state that some
    folks lifting weights before you could check your T levels didn't
    get bigger and stronger.

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    No.
    If you want simplistic, read this;

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    "Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding tactics need not be
    used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat." -- Steve
    Freides

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    Point out a single instance where that formula wouldn't add muscle
    mass.

    I can point out DOZENS of people.

    Are you suggesting that squats will result in weight in ALL people ALL the
    time?

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    Once again, even an Asian woman would have some gains on that
    model.

    Yes, of course they can.
    And for every Asian women that has succes, there are thousands who dont.

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    Sure, she'd get better gains if she was taking piles of
    steroids, injecting growth hormone, etc.

    COME ON !!!

    Do you think i was suggesting a [censored] of androgens and growth hormone
    ?!?!?!
    I was reffering to having T-levels high within the *normal* range, which is
    35-40 Nmol/liter.
    Which is a lot better then 10-15, which is also considered "normal". Dont
    take my word for it though. Ask the experts and they will confirm this.

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    However, it's hard to argue
    that she wouldn't show improvement with just the weights and the food.

    She?
    Frank is not a she, Frank is a he...

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    That was one of the best examples of simplism here the last several
    months.

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    No one is questioning the fact that modern science has given us
    avenues that make body building much more efficient.

    Jason, i am not saying that EVERYone should resort to taking testosterone.
    But i strongly suggest a weekly injection of 250mg for a while when T-levels
    are really low. After 6 months or so, the dosage can be lower if this has a
    negative impact on health. In 99,99% though, this dosage wont.

    ----
    Pete

  2. Pete said:

    "Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    No one is questioning the fact that modern science has given us
    avenues that make body building much more efficient.

    Jason, i am not saying that EVERYone should resort to taking
    testosterone. But i strongly suggest a weekly injection of 250mg
    for a while when T-levels are really low. After 6 months or so, the
    dosage can be lower if this has a negative impact on health. In
    99,99% though, this dosage wont.

    It's hard to disagree with that. Personally I think that steroid use
    has been unnecessarily vilified. Far more time and energy gets spent
    trying to catch professional athletes who are "doping" than is spent
    researching the benefits of hormone replacement. Properly used
    hormones can be very beneficial.

    We know very little about this guy outside of the fact that he says he
    has been lifting for the last 30 years and only weighs 150. You
    assume that he has low T-levels, I assume that he's been skimping on
    the Peanut Buster Parfaits (or that he has a tapeworm). I've known
    several guys that were convinced they were big eaters until I had them
    keep track of how much they ate and found out that the were seriously
    underfed (say 1500 cals/day). You've known several guys that
    responded well to anabolics.

    That shouldn't surprise either of us. After all, adding anabolics
    and/or food is basically a sure fire way to put on weight. Anabolics
    are almost certainly better for adding lean weight, and so if he can
    get a doctor to prescribe T that's probably the way to go. However,
    even with extra T unless he's getting enough to eat he isn't going to
    progress like he should. Even without T it's possible that the poster
    has never tried a program heavy on squats with a 500 cal/day increase
    in food.

    Jason

  3. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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    Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could
    measure their testosterone levels. Classic formulas apply, modern
    bodybuilding tactics need not be used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest
    a lot - repeat.

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    That's a stupid comment Steve. *Some* people got bigger and stronger.
    Those who had hormonal balance. The others simply didn't get bigger
    and stronger. Stick to KB's . .something you profess to know
    something about.

    Yeah, what David said.

    Pete, David's been in my killfile for a while. I let him out every now
    and then but it doesn't seem to last. Now you can keep him company in
    there.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  4. David Cohen said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    "tirrell payton" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Eat more. Eat clean.

    Aren't you supposed to eat clean if you want to tone?

    You can only do both while balancing on a swiss ball.

    No, that would cause you to loose weight.

    David

    You're both wrong. You need Pilates.

    Dally

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