Am I missing something?

"FRANK LOVERME" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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I've been working out, for about 30 years, and have been on every
conceivable lifting program. Now, you would think, I have a great body,
but it ain't so. I'm 5' 9" and weigh 153 lbs. I look good for my age,
but not nearly as Large as I imagined I'd be, by this time in my life. In
reading all the statements, on this site, it looks like I need a host of
chemicals in my system. Any suggestions for a chemical clean dude?

You mean suggestions that doesnt include the suggestion of using certain
"chemicals", or do you mean any suggestion whatsoever as long as you gain
weight?

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Pete

In article <[email hidden]>,

Pete said:

"FRANK LOVERME" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

I've been working out, for about 30 years, and have been on every
conceivable lifting program. Now, you would think, I have a great body,
but it ain't so. I'm 5' 9" and weigh 153 lbs. I look good for my age,
but not nearly as Large as I imagined I'd be, by this time in my life. In
reading all the statements, on this site, it looks like I need a host of
chemicals in my system. Any suggestions for a chemical clean dude?

You mean suggestions that doesnt include the suggestion of using certain
"chemicals", or do you mean any suggestion whatsoever as long as you gain
weight?

----
Pete

All the lifting in the world will do you no good if your diet is not
good...

More info' dude! What do you eat?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and eat
500 calories above that per day.
"FRANK LOVERME" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've been working out, for about 30 years, and have been on every
conceivable lifting program. Now, you would think, I have a great body,
but it ain't so. I'm 5' 9" and weigh 153 lbs. I look good for my age,
but not nearly as Large as I imagined I'd be, by this time in my life. In
reading all the statements, on this site, it looks like I need a host of
chemicals in my system. Any suggestions for a chemical clean dude?

--
I'm always, Frank

"tirrell payton" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and eat
500 calories above that per day.

Tell me...

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

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Pete

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been working out, for about 30 years, and have been on every
conceivable lifting program. Now, you would think, I have a great
body,
but it ain't so. I'm 5' 9" and weigh 153 lbs. I look good for my
age,
but not nearly as Large as I imagined I'd be, by this time in my life.
In
reading all the statements, on this site, it looks like I need a host
of
chemicals in my system. Any suggestions for a chemical clean dude?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You mean suggestions that doesnt include the suggestion of using certain
"chemicals", or do you mean any suggestion whatsoever as long as you gain
weight?

Quoted message said:

All the lifting in the world will do you no good if your diet is not
good...

Cant argue with that.
But since the man is training for 3 decades, one would easily assume the he
figured out how to eat...
In those 3 decades...😉

----
Pete

In article <[email hidden]>,

Pete said:

"tirrell payton" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and eat
500 calories above that per day.

Tell me...

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

----
Pete

If T-levels are low, go see your doctor.
Despite draconian steroid laws, a doctor can still prescribe T
replacement for those with abnormally low levels.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

Pete said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Quoted message said:

> I've been working out, for about 30 years, and have been on
> every conceivable lifting program. Now, you would think, I have
> a great body, but it ain't so. I'm 5' 9" and weigh 153 lbs. I
> look good for my age, but not nearly as Large as I imagined I'd
> be, by this time in my life. In reading all the statements, on
> this site, it looks like I need a host of chemicals in my
> system. Any suggestions for a chemical clean dude?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You mean suggestions that doesnt include the suggestion of using
certain "chemicals", or do you mean any suggestion whatsoever as
long as you gain weight?

Quoted message said:

All the lifting in the world will do you no good if your diet is
not good...

Cant argue with that. But since the man is training for 3 decades,
one would easily assume the he figured out how to eat... In those 3
decades...😉

He weighs 150 lbs. Either he has a tapeworm, he burns a hojillion
calories a day in the gym, or he isn't eating enough to get bigger.

Jason

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"tirrell payton" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are
and eat 500 calories above that per day.

Tell me...

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could measure
their testosterone levels. Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding
tactics need not be used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"tirrell payton" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and
eat 500 calories above that per day.

Tell me...

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could measure
their testosterone levels. Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding
tactics need not be used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat.

That's a stupid comment Steve. *Some* people got bigger and stronger. Those
who had hormonal balance. The others simply didn't get bigger and stronger.
Stick to KB's . .something you profess to know something about.

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Quoted message said:

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Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and
eat 500 calories above that per day.

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Tell me...

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Quoted message said:

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

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Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could measure
their testosterone levels.

NOT having them measured does NOT necasserally mean LOW testosterone, idiot!

It has been proven that when t-levels drop, so will muscle mass.
When T-levels are higher, muscle mass will increase. Ask your friends over
here.

And BTW, its not just "mass. Its increased performance as well. Ask your
friends, Kettleswinger.

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Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding...

You know nothing.
What are "modern bodybuilding tactics."?

BTW, nice way of using the word "tactics." Does give it a negative ring to
it, doesnt it, Stevie?

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tactics need not be used

What tactics Stevie?

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- squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat.

Ignorance is a bless.

Go to sleep, you distrophied idiot. Wait NO! Sleep can actually help to grow
muscles, and you dont want those big, nasty, useless muscles around your
body...

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Pete

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Quoted message said:

Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could measure
their testosterone levels. Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding
tactics need not be used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat.

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That's a stupid comment Steve. *Some* people got bigger and stronger.
Those who had hormonal balance. The others simply didn't get bigger and
stronger. Stick to KB's . .something you profess to know something about.

Yeah, what David said.

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Pete

David said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"tirrell payton" <[email hidden]> schreef:

> Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and
> eat 500 calories above that per day.

Tell me...

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could measure
their testosterone levels. Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding
tactics need not be used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat.

That's a stupid comment Steve. *Some* people got bigger and
stronger. Those who had hormonal balance. The others simply didn't
get bigger and stronger. Stick to KB's . .something you profess to
know something about.

Even women add muscle mass lifting weights and eating. No matter how
low your testosterone levels are lifting weights and eating will make
you bigger. Sure, you'd do better with more T, and getting yourself
checked is probably a good idea, but it's beyond simplistic to state
that some folks lifting weights before you could check your T levels
didn't get bigger and stronger. They didn't improve as much as the
genetically gifted folks, but they got bigger and stronger all the
same.

Jason

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Eat more. Eat clean. Find out what your maintenance calories are and
> eat 500 calories above that per day.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tell me...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What will an extra 500 Kcal/day accomplish when T-levels are low?

Quoted message said:

Pete, people got bigger and stronger _long_ before they could measure
their testosterone levels.

NOT having them measured does NOT necasserally mean LOW testosterone,
idiot!

It has been proven that when t-levels drop, so will muscle mass.
When T-levels are higher, muscle mass will increase. Ask your friends over
here.

And BTW, its not just "mass. Its increased performance as well. Ask your
friends, Kettleswinger.

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Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding...

You know nothing.
What are "modern bodybuilding tactics."?

BTW, nice way of using the word "tactics." Does give it a negative ring to
it, doesnt it, Stevie?

Quoted message said:

tactics need not be used

What tactics Stevie?

Quoted message said:

- squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat.

Ignorance is a bless.

Go to sleep, you distrophied idiot. Wait NO! Sleep can actually help to
grow muscles, and you dont want those big, nasty, useless muscles around
your body...

Yeah, what Pete said. (Kettleswinger . . lol!)

"Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's a stupid comment Steve. *Some* people got bigger and
stronger. Those who had hormonal balance. The others simply didn't
get bigger and stronger. Stick to KB's . .something you profess to
know something about.

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Even women add muscle mass lifting weights and eating. No matter how
low your testosterone levels are lifting weights and eating will make
you bigger.

For males, i wouldnt bet on it.

Studies have shown that black women build muscle a lot easier then either
Caucasian or Asian women, due to higher testosterone levels.

BTW, other hormones also have anabolic properties, but these are not much of
an issue in men.

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Sure, you'd do better with more T, and getting yourself
checked is probably a good idea, but it's beyond simplistic to state
that some folks lifting weights before you could check your T levels
didn't get bigger and stronger.

No.
If you want simplistic, read this;

"Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding
tactics need not be used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat." --
Steve Freides

That was one of the best examples of simplism here the last several months.

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They didn't improve as much as the
genetically gifted folks, but they got bigger and stronger all the
same.

Okay.

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Pete

tirrell payton said:

Eat more. Eat clean.

Aren't you supposed to eat clean if you want to tone?

"JMW" wrote

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tirrell payton said:

Eat more. Eat clean.

Aren't you supposed to eat clean if you want to tone?

You can only do both while balancing on a swiss ball.

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"JMW" wrote

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tirrell payton said:

Eat more. Eat clean.

Aren't you supposed to eat clean if you want to tone?

You can only do both while balancing on a swiss ball.

No, that would cause you to loose weight.

David

Pete said:

"Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's a stupid comment Steve. *Some* people got bigger and
stronger. Those who had hormonal balance. The others simply didn't
get bigger and stronger. Stick to KB's . .something you profess to
know something about.

Quoted message said:

Even women add muscle mass lifting weights and eating. No matter how
low your testosterone levels are lifting weights and eating will make
you bigger.

For males, i wouldnt bet on it.

Studies have shown that black women build muscle a lot easier then
either Caucasian or Asian women, due to higher testosterone levels.

BTW, other hormones also have anabolic properties, but these are not
much of an issue in men.

I'm not arguing that some people don't add muscle easier than others.
I am simply arguing that everyone (even Asian women) have enough T to
see results with the lift and eat method of weight training.

For those of us that can't go to the local pharmacy and purchase
anabolic hormones legally, lifting and eating is the best advice
around.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sure, you'd do better with more T, and getting yourself checked is
probably a good idea, but it's beyond simplistic to state that some
folks lifting weights before you could check your T levels didn't
get bigger and stronger.

No.
If you want simplistic, read this;

"Classic formulas apply, modern bodybuilding tactics need not be
used - squat heavy, eat a lot, rest a lot - repeat." -- Steve
Freides

Point out a single instance where that formula wouldn't add muscle
mass. Once again, even an Asian woman would have some gains on that
model. Sure, she'd get better gains if she was taking piles of
steroids, injecting growth hormone, etc. However, it's hard to argue
that she wouldn't show improvement with just the weights and the food.

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That was one of the best examples of simplism here the last several
months.

No one is questioning the fact that modern science has given us
avenues that make body building much more efficient.

Jason

"Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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All the lifting in the world will do you no good if your diet is
not good...

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Cant argue with that. But since the man is training for 3 decades,
one would easily assume the he figured out how to eat... In those 3
decades...😉

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He weighs 150 lbs. Either he has a tapeworm, he burns a hojillion
calories a day in the gym, or he isn't eating enough to get bigger.

Might be.
But i am willing to bet on his T-levels are low. I allready suggested to
several people in my gym to have their blood checked, after they spent years
in the gym without gaining one single pound.

So far, in 3 out of 4 cases i was right.

I cant imagine someone who spends 3 decades in the gym, without figuring out
the right way to eat...

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Pete