The Big Three

bolt thrower said:

Anytime someone says "I want to be hyooge" people always recommend bench,
deadlift, and squat. I am doing these now and I love them all, but I'd
like to know, scientifically, why they are such awesome body builders. I
remember reading some time ago that muscles create growth hormones, and
that by stimulating the large muscles of the back and legs, these hormones
are produced in larger quantities and release into the blood.

Aside from that, why are these three lifts so crucial?

Because, when combined, they recruit most of the major muscle groups.
It's a matter of efficiency.

"bolt thrower" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Anytime someone says "I want to be hyooge" people always recommend bench,
deadlift, and squat.

Because their minds are dead. And those people are often powerlifters.
Surprise.

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I am doing these now and I love them all, but I'd
like to know, scientifically, why they are such awesome body builders.

We like to use an "holistic approach."
And anabolic steroids. And no, i am not being sarcastic. Which doesnt mean
that powerlifters doesnt use them, they often use truckloads. Wanna get big,
ask a bodybuilder. Its our job to get big.

You must also be willing to consume 4000-6000 Kcal/day during several
periods.

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I
remember reading some time ago that muscles create growth hormones...

Sorry, no.

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and
that by stimulating the large muscles of the back and legs, these hormones
are produced in larger quantities and release into the blood.

I believe there are studies that have shown an increase in test/GH after
doing squats or deadlifts.
Now, the problem is, lets say that there actually IS an increase in test,
the increase is perhaps 10-20%. If that.

If you want to have an anabolic effect from androgens on muscles, you need
to double it. At least.

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Aside from that, why are these three lifts so crucial?

Oh.
They hit a lot of big and smaller muscles at the same time.

The deadlift is obsolete, squats are fine.

Many times i suggested to beginners that they would only need squats/leg
presses, rows, pull ups/downs, 2 forms of press and some ab work. That will
work the entire body in a relative short time. Which doesnt mean you can
include one joint movements such as curls, pushdowns, laterals,calf raises,
etc, etc...

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Pete

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The deadlift is obsolete

Really? Humans and pre-humans and trolls have been picking up heavy things
off the ground for, what, millions of years? Now it's suddenly obsolete?
When did this happen, and why didn't I get the memo?

David

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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The deadlift is obsolete

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Really?

Yes, really.

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Humans and pre-humans and trolls have been picking up heavy things off the
ground for, what, millions of years?

Exactly!

Why do you think the Neanderthals became extinct?

The Cro-Magnons were actually smart enough to invent machines with
ropes/leverages.
Which have a striking resemblence with todays modern weight equipment.
(i hope you forgive for NOT using the term fitness. Its obsolete...)

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Now it's suddenly obsolete?

Well... eh, yes.

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When did this happen, and why didn't I get the memo?

It happened once a upon a time in the west, and the memo should have been
arrived years ago.

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Pete

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The deadlift is obsolete

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Really?

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Yes, really.

Really, REALLY? Or just sorta' really?

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Humans and pre-humans and trolls have been picking up heavy things off
the ground for, what, millions of years?

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Exactly!

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Why do you think the Neanderthals became extinct?

George Bu$h's fault?

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The Cro-Magnons were actually smart enough to invent machines with
ropes/leverages.

Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.

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Which have a striking resemblence with todays modern weight equipment.
(i hope you forgive for NOT using the term fitness. Its obsolete...)

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Now it's suddenly obsolete?

Well... eh, yes.

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When did this happen, and why didn't I get the memo?

It happened once a upon a time in the west, and the memo should have been
arrived years ago.

I used to be on WebTV. Could that have been the problem?

David

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> The deadlift is obsolete

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Really?

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Yes, really.

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Really, REALLY? Or just sorta' really?

Nono!
Defenitely a "REALLY REALLY" i told you so "REALLY !!!"

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Humans and pre-humans and trolls have been picking up heavy things off
the ground for, what, millions of years?

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Exactly!

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Why do you think the Neanderthals became extinct?

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George Bu$h's fault?

Huh?
Georgie was not able to reproduce? He couldnt perform or was too stupid?
(stupid question, sorry...)
Or both perhaps?

Or... are you implying he wiped them out?
Is he in fact, capable of whiping out an entire population. Is such a thing
really possible? I mean, really?
(carefull what you answer, David... 😉

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The Cro-Magnons were actually smart enough to invent machines with
ropes/leverages.

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Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.

Yeah, its a sad, sad story. One of those Shakesperian tragic tales...

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Which have a striking resemblence with todays modern weight equipment.
(i hope you forgive for NOT using the term fitness. Its obsolete...)

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Now it's suddenly obsolete?

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Well... eh, yes.

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When did this happen, and why didn't I get the memo?

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It happened once a upon a time in the west, and the memo should have been
arrived years ago.

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I used to be on WebTV. Could that have been the problem?

How big was the hard-disc?
(it was a huge memo...)

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Pete

Pete <[email hidden]> wrote:

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The deadlift is obsolete, squats are fine.

[...]

Ah, you [censored]! You're only saying that because it's my best lift.

(reaches for pencil and _Why I Hate Pete_ journal)

....

(scribbles furiously)

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Curt

Cohen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.

[...]

<emily litella>

As much hype as that one got, I still haven't seen it.

....

Oh. I'm sorry. Never mind.

</emily litella>

--
Curt
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099348/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Curt James said:

Cohen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.

As much hype as that one got, I still haven't seen it.

IMHO "Little Big Man" was a _much_ better movie along the same lines.
I was not that impressed with "Dances With Wolves".

It was mediocre at best, but then I've not seen many movies that were
raved about by movie critics that appealed to me.

"On Golden Pond" being a classic example. <yawn>

'course "Titanic" was very much an exception.
Excellent film......
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Curt James said:

Cohen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.

As much hype as that one got, I still haven't seen it.

IMHO "Little Big Man" was a _much_ better movie along the same lines.
I was not that impressed with "Dances With Wolves".

Eye 'R Confused. Are we still talking about the evolution of man in
association with wolves? If so, that began hundreds of thousands of years
ago. I liked "Dances With Wolves", and loved "Little Big Man", but neither
deals with that topic. Although "DWW" hints at it.

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Curt James said:

Cohen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.

As much hype as that one got, I still haven't seen it.

IMHO "Little Big Man" was a _much_ better movie along the same lines.
I was not that impressed with "Dances With Wolves".

Eye 'R Confused. Are we still talking about the evolution of man in
association with wolves? If so, that began hundreds of thousands of years
ago. I liked "Dances With Wolves", and loved "Little Big Man", but neither
deals with that topic. Although "DWW" hints at it.

David

Ah, okay.
That's what I get for hitting a thread mid-way. ;-)

I thought he was talking about the movie when he said "he had not seen
it".
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

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Curt James <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Association with wolves helped, too, but, that's another story.
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> As much hype as that one got, I still haven't seen it.
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IMHO "Little Big Man" was a _much_ better movie along the same lines.
I was not that impressed with "Dances With Wolves".

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That's what I get for hitting a thread mid-way. ;-)

The mid-way part wasn't the problem, imo. Snipping the Emily Litella
mention is what caused the confusion, if I'm not mistaken, Om.

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I thought he was talking about the movie when he said "he had not seen
it".

I haven't seen Dance With Wolves, however Cohen's words - "Association
with
wolves" - is what stirred my SNL segue.

/Never mind./

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Jesus Tapdancing Christ. I totally forgot that when a serious post gets
pushed out to this group, it all goes to [censored]. What was I thinking?

For those who replied with helpful advice, thanks, it was appreciated.

"bolt thrower" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Jesus Tapdancing Christ. I totally forgot that when a serious post gets
pushed out to this group, it all goes to [censored].

I know *EXACTLY* what you mean.
Allow me to apolozige on behalf of those rude, nasty, foul-mouthed
Americans.

Their intentions are good, let me assure you that, its just that they dont
know any better.

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What was I thinking?

You were probably thinking;
"Let me ask a question in MFW."

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For those who replied with helpful advice, thanks, it was appreciated.

Anytime, and you are wellcome.
Dont mention it.

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Pete

bolt thrower said:

Jesus Tapdancing Christ. I totally forgot that when a serious post gets
pushed out to this group, it all goes to [censored]. What was I thinking?

For those who replied with helpful advice, thanks, it was appreciated.

What, you think we can only talk to you?

Your question wasn't all that in-depth. It's efficient to do compound
moves. So people do them.

Personally, when I'm in a rush my mantra is "push something, pull
something, squat something and get out."

People do them because they work.

Dally