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Re: lipid and basic metabolic panels

OmManiPadmeOmelet · 2006-05-17T23:20:23+00:00

In article , Have been visiting Treadmill City in my continuing battle against high(ish) blood pressure. Visited the doctor recently and the medical assistant told me it was 144/88. The doctor came in and sounded like he was leaning toward medication until I voiced my concern, something like, "Oh, maaaan, I really don't want to do that." Doc replies with something like, "I'm going to give you six months... uh, not to live, but to see how the treadmill and diet works out." I told him that a doctor gave my grandfather six months to live and he told the doc to go to hell. The doc didn't laugh. Hm. WHO SAID LAUGHTER WAS THE BEST MEDICINE? Aaaaanyway, there's a lab in the same building as my doctor's office and, since I'd fasted from the previous evening, he sent me down to have a vial of blood drawn. I visited today and got a copy of my report: Lipid Panel - (Reference Range) Triglycerides 50 - ( or = 40 mg/dl) LDL 75 - (<130 mg/dl (calc)) Chol/HDLC ratio 2.5 - (<5.0 (calc)) Basic Metabolic Panel Glucose 88 - (65 - 99 mg/dl) Urea nitrogen (BUN) 11 - (7 - 25 mg/dl) Creatinine 0.9 - (0.5 - 1.4 mg/dl) BUN/Creatinine ratio 12 - (6 - 25 CALC) Sodium 141 - (135 - 146 mmol/l) Potassium 4.3 - (3.5 - 5.3 mmol/l) Chloride 102 - (98 - 110 mmol/l) Carbon Dioxide 30 - (21 - 33 mmol/l) Calcium 9.3 - (8.5 - 10.4 mg/dl) I'm still happy with the cholesterol reading, but I've already mentioned the alleged cancer/depression/suicide-connection. And then there are those pesky 18-wheelers running up and down 81 during my commute. Yes, death awaits! ;o) But first... MORE TREADMILL! (With a side order of DOMS.) Damn. Nice blood profiles... I've got to crack down a bit harder on carb temptations. My fasting glucose used to be 90. It's crept up to 102. :-( Glycohemoglobin is still in normal range tho' at 5.4. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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17 May 2006, 23:20 UTC #1

In article <[email hidden]>,
Curt James said:
Have been visiting Treadmill City in my continuing battle against
high(ish) blood pressure.
Visited the doctor recently and the medical assistant told me it was
144/88. The doctor came in and sounded like he was leaning toward
medication until I voiced my concern, something like, "Oh, maaaan, I
really don't want to do that."
Doc replies with something like, "I'm going to give you six months...
uh, not to live, but to see how the treadmill and diet works out."
I told him that a doctor gave my grandfather six months to live and he
told the doc to go to hell.
The doc didn't laugh. Hm. WHO SAID LAUGHTER WAS THE BEST MEDICINE?
Aaaaanyway, there's a lab in the same building as my doctor's office
and, since I'd fasted from the previous evening, he sent me down to
have a vial of blood drawn. I visited today and got a copy of my
report:
Lipid Panel - (Reference Range)
Triglycerides 50 - (<150 mg/dl)
Cholesterol, total 143 - (<200 mg/dl)
HDL 58 - (> or = 40 mg/dl)
LDL 75 - (<130 mg/dl (calc))
Chol/HDLC ratio 2.5 - (<5.0 (calc))
Basic Metabolic Panel
Glucose 88 - (65 - 99 mg/dl)
Urea nitrogen (BUN) 11 - (7 - 25 mg/dl)
Creatinine 0.9 - (0.5 - 1.4 mg/dl)
BUN/Creatinine ratio 12 - (6 - 25 CALC)
Sodium 141 - (135 - 146 mmol/l)
Potassium 4.3 - (3.5 - 5.3 mmol/l)
Chloride 102 - (98 - 110 mmol/l)
Carbon Dioxide 30 - (21 - 33 mmol/l)
Calcium 9.3 - (8.5 - 10.4 mg/dl)
I'm still happy with the cholesterol reading, but I've already
mentioned the alleged cancer/depression/suicide-connection.
And then there are those pesky 18-wheelers running up and down 81
during my commute. Yes, death awaits! ;o)
But first... MORE TREADMILL!
(With a side order of DOMS.)
Damn.
Nice blood profiles...
I've got to crack down a bit harder on carb temptations.
My fasting glucose used to be 90. It's crept up to 102. :-(
Glycohemoglobin is still in normal range tho' at 5.4.
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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Curt James
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18 May 2006, 03:13 UTC #2

OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted message said:
Damn.
Nice blood profiles...
I was happy. And thanks. ;o)
Quoted message said:
I've got to crack down a bit harder on carb temptations.
My fasting glucose used to be 90. It's crept up to 102. :-(
Glycohemoglobin is still in normal range tho' at 5.4.
Hmm. I looked at the ranges offered on my report as well as the terms
used. Is Glycohemoglobin on mine? Yeah, he's a doc-tah! Ahem.
Glad your glycohemothingy is in the normal range, appreciate your
previous bp encouragement as well as this reply, and kick that glucose
reading's @$$, Om!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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18 May 2006, 15:46 UTC #3

In article <[email hidden]>,
Curt James said:
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
[...]
Quoted message said:
Damn.
Nice blood profiles...
I was happy. And thanks. ;o)
Quoted message said:
I've got to crack down a bit harder on carb temptations.
My fasting glucose used to be 90. It's crept up to 102. :-(
Glycohemoglobin is still in normal range tho' at 5.4.
Hmm. I looked at the ranges offered on my report as well as the terms
used. Is Glycohemoglobin on mine? Yeah, he's a doc-tah! Ahem.
Hemoglobin A1C.
It gives you the average glucose levels over the lifespan of the red
blood cells. Approx. 3 months.
Unless you are at high risk for type II diabetes like I am, you don't
need one. ;-)
Quoted message said:

Glad your glycohemothingy is in the normal range, appreciate your
previous bp encouragement as well as this reply, and kick that glucose
reading's @$$, Om!
Workin' on it!
Just gotta stick to low carbing. <sigh>
I don't eat high carb normally, but it seems to only take a little
cheating to kick it up. :-(
Damn it, I'm only human!!!!!
And that crab rangoon I made was good. <G>
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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WillBrink
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18 May 2006, 19:47 UTC #4

In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
Quoted message said:
Hemoglobin A1C.
It gives you the average glucose levels over the lifespan of the red
blood cells. Approx. 3 months.
Unless you are at high risk for type II diabetes like I am, you don't
need one. ;-)
I disagree. Many people who are not necessarily "high risk" are still in a
pre-diabetic state,
AKA Syndrome X.
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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18 May 2006, 21:59 UTC #5

In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
Quoted message said:
What level would you suggest?
It reflects the average serum glucose levels, so what is the lowest FBS
that would work for a "healthy" individual?
Life Extension Foundation recommends less than 4.5%.
David
I'll have to check our references and see what level that translates out
to. :-)
I've had mine as low as 4.9 and I believe our reference range (normal)
is 5.0 to 6.5 or some such. I'll have to grab a printout and give exact
references and interpretations.
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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18 May 2006, 21:59 UTC #6

In article
<[email hidden]>,
WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
Quoted message said:
Hemoglobin A1C.
It gives you the average glucose levels over the lifespan of the red
blood cells. Approx. 3 months.
Unless you are at high risk for type II diabetes like I am, you don't
need one. ;-)
I disagree. Many people who are not necessarily "high risk" are still in a
pre-diabetic state,
AKA Syndrome X.
Getting to be pretty common I understand....
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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WillBrink
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18 May 2006, 22:45 UTC #7

In article <[email hidden]>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
In article
<[email hidden]>,
WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Hemoglobin A1C.
> It gives you the average glucose levels over the lifespan of the red
> blood cells. Approx. 3 months.
>
> Unless you are at high risk for type II diabetes like I am, you don't
> need one. ;-)
I disagree. Many people who are not necessarily "high risk" are still in
a
pre-diabetic state,
AKA Syndrome X.
Getting to be pretty common I understand....
Don't know what the latest figures are, but it aint pretty that's for
damn sure.
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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David Cohen
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18 May 2006, 23:14 UTC #8

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
Quoted message said:
David Cohen said:
Quoted message said:
What level would you suggest?
It reflects the average serum glucose levels, so what is the lowest FBS
that would work for a "healthy" individual?
Life Extension Foundation recommends less than 4.5%.
I'll have to check our references and see what level that translates out
to. :-)
Menos de 4.5%. That's Portuguese. What language do you lab nerds speak?
Quoted message said:
I've had mine as low as 4.9 and I believe our reference range (normal)
is 5.0 to 6.5 or some such. I'll have to grab a printout and give exact
references and interpretations.
Yeah, that's what most labs have as reference ranges. And, as I stated
previously, life extensionists recommend "lower". Niedriger. German. Am I
closer?
David

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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19 May 2006, 02:08 UTC #9

In article
<[email hidden]>,
WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
In article
<[email hidden]>,
WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
> > Hemoglobin A1C.
> > It gives you the average glucose levels over the lifespan of the red
> > blood cells. Approx. 3 months.
> >
> > Unless you are at high risk for type II diabetes like I am, you don't
> > need one. ;-)
>
> I disagree. Many people who are not necessarily "high risk" are still
> in
> a
> pre-diabetic state,
AKA Syndrome X.
Getting to be pretty common I understand....
Don't know what the latest figures are, but it aint pretty that's for
damn sure.
Think it might have something to do with the FDA food pyramid applied to
sedentary individuals?
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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19 May 2006, 02:11 UTC #10

In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
Quoted message said:
David Cohen said:
> What level would you suggest?
> It reflects the average serum glucose levels, so what is the lowest FBS
> that would work for a "healthy" individual?
Life Extension Foundation recommends less than 4.5%.
I'll have to check our references and see what level that translates out
to. :-)
Menos de 4.5%. That's Portuguese. What language do you lab nerds speak?
<smiles> I understand. What I was referring to was the "translation" for
what that number means for the mean serum glucose level.
Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:
I've had mine as low as 4.9 and I believe our reference range (normal)
is 5.0 to 6.5 or some such. I'll have to grab a printout and give exact
references and interpretations.
Yeah, that's what most labs have as reference ranges. And, as I stated
previously, life extensionists recommend "lower". Niedriger. German. Am I
closer?
David
You know as well as I do that _too_ low of a serum glucose is every bit
as bad as a really high one.
Cult logic is not always truly scientific.
Our panic value cutoff is 49 mg/dl.
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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Curt James
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19 May 2006, 03:34 UTC #11

OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Cult logic is not always truly scientific.
Was that supposed to be cuLt logic or cuRt logic? Because I can create
a Things I Hate About Om list just as easily as my Why I Hate Pete
list. You've been warned. ;o)
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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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David Cohen
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19 May 2006, 03:46 UTC #12

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
Quoted message said:
David Cohen said:
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
Quoted message said:
"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > What level would you suggest?
> > It reflects the average serum glucose levels, so what is the lowest
> > FBS
> > that would work for a "healthy" individual?
>
> Life Extension Foundation recommends less than 4.5%.
I'll have to check our references and see what level that translates
out
to. :-)
Menos de 4.5%. That's Portuguese. What language do you lab nerds speak?
<smiles> I understand. What I was referring to was the "translation" for
what that number means for the mean serum glucose level.
It doesn't translate, as they are two different things.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I've had mine as low as 4.9 and I believe our reference range (normal)
is 5.0 to 6.5 or some such. I'll have to grab a printout and give exact
references and interpretations.
Yeah, that's what most labs have as reference ranges. And, as I stated
previously, life extensionists recommend "lower". Niedriger. German. Am I
closer?
You know as well as I do that _too_ low of a serum glucose is every bit
as bad as a really high one.
Cult logic is not always truly scientific.
Our panic value cutoff is 49 mg/dl.
Om, we were talking about HgbA1C, not serum glucose. When did I lose you?
David

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Curt James
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19 May 2006, 04:05 UTC #13

David Cohen <[email hidden]> wrote:
[...]
Quoted message said:
Om, we were talking about HgbA1C, not serum glucose.
When did I lose you?
When can *I* lose you? Please exit my thread. TIA.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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WillBrink
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19 May 2006, 14:46 UTC #14

In article <[email hidden]>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
\
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Don't know what the latest figures are, but it aint pretty that's for
damn sure.
Think it might have something to do with the FDA food pyramid applied to
sedentary individuals?
It sure as hell does not help, but that pyramid would be health eating
for most people who don't know it even exists, thus the multi billion
dollar slaes of McDonalds, KFC, etc, etc.
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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19 May 2006, 14:51 UTC #15

In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
Om, we were talking about HgbA1C, not serum glucose. When did I lose you?
David
<sigh> okay, lets try this again.
Translate is the wrong word.
I should have used correlate...
Our report that we turn out of the computer system says the following:
"Hemoglobin A1C values correspond to glucose levels as follows:
Quoted message said:
10.0% >350 mg/dl

9.0% 215 mg/dl
8.0% 180 mg/dl
7.0% 147 mg/dl"
The report goes no lower than that as the vast majority of Dr.'s do not
use Hgb A1C as a screening test. They use it to monitor known diabetics.
Normal range is 5.0 to 6.5%
I checked mine last night. It was 5.6%
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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19 May 2006, 16:29 UTC #16

In article
<[email hidden]>,
WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
\
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Don't know what the latest figures are, but it aint pretty that's for
damn sure.
Think it might have something to do with the FDA food pyramid applied to
sedentary individuals?
It sure as hell does not help, but that pyramid would be health eating
for most people who don't know it even exists, thus the multi billion
dollar slaes of McDonalds, KFC, etc, etc.
I know what you mean.....
More people need to learn how to cook.
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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JMW
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19 May 2006, 16:43 UTC #17

WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
\
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Don't know what the latest figures are, but it aint pretty that's for
damn sure.
Think it might have something to do with the FDA food pyramid applied to
sedentary individuals?
It sure as hell does not help, but that pyramid would be health eating
for most people who don't know it even exists, thus the multi billion
dollar slaes of McDonalds, KFC ...
Actually, the KFC Oven-Roasted Twister Wrap is pretty nutritious and
tastes fairly good if you have them hold the pepper mayonaisse. And
it's slightly under 400 calories.

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19 May 2006, 17:23 UTC #18

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
Om, we were talking about HgbA1C, not serum glucose. When did I lose you?
David
<sigh> okay, lets try this again.
Translate is the wrong word.
I should have used correlate...
Our report that we turn out of the computer system says the following:
"Hemoglobin A1C values correspond to glucose levels as follows:
Quoted message said:
10.0% >350 mg/dl

9.0% 215 mg/dl
8.0% 180 mg/dl
7.0% 147 mg/dl"
The report goes no lower than that as the vast majority of Dr.'s do not
use Hgb A1C as a screening test. They use it to monitor known diabetics.
Normal range is 5.0 to 6.5%
I checked mine last night. It was 5.6%
Too high! You're gonna' die!!
Well, eventually. But, too high. Work on it. Protein glycosylation has been
linked to Alzheimer's and...and...
What were we talking about?
David

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OmManiPadmeOmelet
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19 May 2006, 17:24 UTC #19

In article <[email hidden]>,
JMW said:
WillBrink said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
\
Quoted message said:
>
> Don't know what the latest figures are, but it aint pretty that's for
> damn sure.
Think it might have something to do with the FDA food pyramid applied to
sedentary individuals?
It sure as hell does not help, but that pyramid would be health eating
for most people who don't know it even exists, thus the multi billion
dollar slaes of McDonalds, KFC ...
Actually, the KFC Oven-Roasted Twister Wrap is pretty nutritious and
tastes fairly good if you have them hold the pepper mayonaisse. And
it's slightly under 400 calories.
Tortilla wrap?
I've not been to KFC in so long, I was unaware of new menu additions.
Sounds interesting.....
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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19 May 2006, 17:26 UTC #20

In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
David Cohen said:
Om, we were talking about HgbA1C, not serum glucose. When did I lose you?
David
<sigh> okay, lets try this again.
Translate is the wrong word.
I should have used correlate...
Our report that we turn out of the computer system says the following:
"Hemoglobin A1C values correspond to glucose levels as follows:
Quoted message said:
10.0% >350 mg/dl

9.0% 215 mg/dl
8.0% 180 mg/dl
7.0% 147 mg/dl"
The report goes no lower than that as the vast majority of Dr.'s do not
use Hgb A1C as a screening test. They use it to monitor known diabetics.
Normal range is 5.0 to 6.5%
I checked mine last night. It was 5.6%
Too high! You're gonna' die!!
Eventually..... ;-)
Quoted message said:

Well, eventually. But, too high. Work on it. Protein glycosylation has been
linked to Alzheimer's and...and...
What were we talking about?
David
<lol>
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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