Dishwashing liquid (environmental)

"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone use any of these products?

http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/

I have to wash my milk jar once a week in a environmental dishwashing
soap, whether it be dishwasher or dish pan. Does anyone have any
suggestions of any that might be in a regular grocery store that you have
used?
thanks so much.
Dee Dee

I'm not sure what a milk jar is, or who says you have to wash it any
particular way. But, no matter. Dish liquids - the kind you use for washing
by hand, are pretty much all phosphate free and biodegradable (two SEPARATE
issues). Take a look at Dawn "original", if you want a product that's tough
enough to clean ancient oil crud off a car engine, and has no stupid
perfumes or ingredients to make your hands softer. The label says "no
phosphates, contains biodegradable surfactants".

I don't use liquids in my dishwasher - I use tablets, so I can't advise you
on that. You'll have to read some labels. But, while it WAS very important
years ago to cut back on the use of phosphate-laden products in homes,
that's pretty much happened because so many laundry products are free of the
chemical now. What's left is very minor by comparison.

Save your money. According to every consumer-oriented thing I've read over
the past 10-15 years, "green" products are often no better than what's in
the stores.

JoeSpareBedroom said:

"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Does anyone use any of these products?

http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/

I have to wash my milk jar once a week in a environmental dishwashing
soap, whether it be dishwasher or dish pan. Does anyone have any
suggestions of any that might be in a regular grocery store that you have
used?
thanks so much.
Dee Dee

I'm not sure what a milk jar is, or who says you have to wash it any
particular way. But, no matter. Dish liquids - the kind you use for washing
by hand, are pretty much all phosphate free and biodegradable (two SEPARATE
issues). Take a look at Dawn "original", if you want a product that's tough
enough to clean ancient oil crud off a car engine, and has no stupid
perfumes or ingredients to make your hands softer. The label says "no
phosphates, contains biodegradable surfactants".

I don't use liquids in my dishwasher - I use tablets, so I can't advise you
on that. You'll have to read some labels. But, while it WAS very important
years ago to cut back on the use of phosphate-laden products in homes,
that's pretty much happened because so many laundry products are free of the
chemical now. What's left is very minor by comparison.

Save your money. According to every consumer-oriented thing I've read over
the past 10-15 years, "green" products are often no better than what's in
the stores.

You can also cut way down on the volume of home cleaning products used
by installing a water softener... the savings on cleaning products will
more than pay for the water softener twice over... not to mention time
and effort saved from not having to do so much scrubbing of soap scum
and mineral deposits. I use tablets in my dishwasher too, but I cut
them in half... I use half the laundry soap too.. even shapoo goes more
than twice as far. I don't use bar soap, I prefer soft-soap/bath
gel... bar soap is wasteful. You gals will love showering with
softened water and bath gel... your skin will feel so slippery you
won't be able to stop touching yourself! LOL

Sheldon

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"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Does anyone use any of these products?

http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/

I have to wash my milk jar once a week in a environmental dishwashing
soap, whether it be dishwasher or dish pan. Does anyone have any
suggestions of any that might be in a regular grocery store that you
have
used?
thanks so much.
Dee Dee

I'm not sure what a milk jar is, or who says you have to wash it any
particular way. But, no matter. Dish liquids - the kind you use for
washing
by hand, are pretty much all phosphate free and biodegradable (two
SEPARATE
issues). Take a look at Dawn "original", if you want a product that's
tough
enough to clean ancient oil crud off a car engine, and has no stupid
perfumes or ingredients to make your hands softer. The label says "no
phosphates, contains biodegradable surfactants".

I don't use liquids in my dishwasher - I use tablets, so I can't advise
you
on that. You'll have to read some labels. But, while it WAS very
important
years ago to cut back on the use of phosphate-laden products in homes,
that's pretty much happened because so many laundry products are free of
the
chemical now. What's left is very minor by comparison.

Save your money. According to every consumer-oriented thing I've read
over
the past 10-15 years, "green" products are often no better than what's in
the stores.

You can also cut way down on the volume of home cleaning products used
by installing a water softener... the savings on cleaning products will
more than pay for the water softener twice over... not to mention time
and effort saved from not having to do so much scrubbing of soap scum
and mineral deposits. I use tablets in my dishwasher too, but I cut
them in half... I use half the laundry soap too.. even shapoo goes more
than twice as far. I don't use bar soap, I prefer soft-soap/bath
gel... bar soap is wasteful. You gals will love showering with
softened water and bath gel... your skin will feel so slippery you
won't be able to stop touching yourself! LOL

Sheldon

Bar soap wasteful? Maybe sorta kinda. If you wanted to be picky when
comparing it to the gel, you could say that the gel comes in a plastic
bottle, which may appear to be recyclable, but in fact, is not. And, this is
for business reasons: Many municipalities are having difficulty finding
buyers for the sheer volume of plastic they collect. So, the stuff just sits
around.

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Take a look at Dawn "original", if you want a product that's tough
enough to clean ancient oil crud off a car engine, and has no stupid
perfumes or ingredients to make your hands softer. The label says "no
phosphates, contains biodegradable surfactants".

I am unable to find "non-ultra" Dawn recently. Perhaps it
isn't distributed in my local market. When they changed
the formula to "ultra" several years back, it seems it does
not rinse as easily.

Steve

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Bar soap wasteful? Maybe sorta kinda. If you wanted to be picky when
comparing it to the gel, you could say that the gel comes in a plastic
bottle, which may appear to be recyclable, but in fact, is not. And, this is
for business reasons: Many municipalities are having difficulty finding
buyers for the sheer volume of plastic they collect. So, the stuff just sits
around.

One can re-fill liquid soap containers to get around
this problem. I buy liquid soap from Body Time, it
is non-antibacterial and unscented. They credit you
with $0.50 if you re-use the container.

Steve

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

Take a look at Dawn "original", if you want a product that's tough
enough to clean ancient oil crud off a car engine, and has no stupid
perfumes or ingredients to make your hands softer. The label says "no
phosphates, contains biodegradable surfactants".

I am unable to find "non-ultra" Dawn recently. Perhaps it
isn't distributed in my local market. When they changed
the formula to "ultra" several years back, it seems it does
not rinse as easily.

Steve

What supermarket do you shop at which does not carry the original version?

Dee Randall said:

Does anyone use any of these products?

http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/

I have to wash my milk jar once a week in a environmental dishwashing soap,
whether it be dishwasher or dish pan. Does anyone have any suggestions of
any that might be in a regular grocery store that you have used?
thanks so much.
Dee Dee

Check out Whole Foods. They have shelves full of organic cleaning
products. You may have to try a few to find the one that works best
with you water and dishwasher.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974

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I am unable to find "non-ultra" Dawn recently.

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What supermarket do you shop at which does not carry the original version?

My local Andronico's (Berkeley CA), but now I'm inspired to
check one or two other places since by you're report it's
still around.

Steve

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

"Steve Pope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I am unable to find "non-ultra" Dawn recently.

Quoted message said:

What supermarket do you shop at which does not carry the original version?

My local Andronico's (Berkeley CA), but now I'm inspired to
check one or two other places since by you're report it's
still around.

Steve

Safeway & Vons carry the 38 oz size. UPC 37000-42902. Individual stores may
not stock it because they like to play games like that. But, you can usually
talk to a manager and they'll order it from their warehouse. If they give
you a dumb look, give them this information:

This is Safeway's internal item code:
3531010109

This is the Vons item code:
2231010109

Albertson's shows the 25 oz size as a normal item in your area, too. Their
item code:
1537158

Lucky Stores data shows the product name, but no sizes.

However, there is no "original" Dawn being made any more. The most basic
ultra product is a more highly concentrated version of the original. If you
find it doesn't rinse as easily, try using less, especially if you have
relatively soft water. Not softened by a machine in your house, but
naturally soft.

http://www.pg.com/product_card/brand_overview.jhtml;jsessionid=T5JL1001LDUX3QFIAJ1S0HWAVABHMLKG?document=%2Fcontent%2Fen_US%2Fxml%2Fproduct_cards%2Fprod_card_main_dawn.xml&brand_name=Dawn

JoeSpareBedroom said:

"Steve Pope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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JoeSpareBedroom <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

What supermarket do you shop at which does not carry the original version?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My local Andronico's (Berkeley CA), but now I'm inspired to
check one or two other places since by you're report it's
still around.

Quoted message said:

Safeway & Vons carry the 38 oz size. UPC 37000-42902. Individual stores may
not stock it because they like to play games like that. But, you can usually
talk to a manager and they'll order it from their warehouse. If they give
you a dumb look, give them this information:

Quoted message said:

This is Safeway's internal item code:
3531010109

Quoted message said:

This is the Vons item code:
2231010109

Quoted message said:

Albertson's shows the 25 oz size as a normal item in your area, too. Their
item code:
1537158

Quoted message said:

Lucky Stores data shows the product name, but no sizes.

Quoted message said:

However, there is no "original" Dawn being made any more. The most basic
ultra product is a more highly concentrated version of the original. If you
find it doesn't rinse as easily, try using less, especially if you have
relatively soft water. Not softened by a machine in your house, but
naturally soft.

For a while, Dawn marketed the original product which said
"non-ultra" on the label. I think you are confirming that
this isn't available anymore.

Steve

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

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JoeSpareBedroom <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What supermarket do you shop at which does not carry the original
>version?

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Quoted message said:

My local Andronico's (Berkeley CA), but now I'm inspired to
check one or two other places since by you're report it's
still around.

Quoted message said:

Safeway & Vons carry the 38 oz size. UPC 37000-42902. Individual stores
may
not stock it because they like to play games like that. But, you can
usually
talk to a manager and they'll order it from their warehouse. If they give
you a dumb look, give them this information:

Quoted message said:

This is Safeway's internal item code:
3531010109

Quoted message said:

This is the Vons item code:
2231010109

Quoted message said:

Albertson's shows the 25 oz size as a normal item in your area, too. Their
item code:
1537158

Quoted message said:

Lucky Stores data shows the product name, but no sizes.

Quoted message said:

However, there is no "original" Dawn being made any more. The most basic
ultra product is a more highly concentrated version of the original. If
you
find it doesn't rinse as easily, try using less, especially if you have
relatively soft water. Not softened by a machine in your house, but
naturally soft.

For a while, Dawn marketed the original product which said
"non-ultra" on the label. I think you are confirming that
this isn't available anymore.

Steve

Right. I don't see on the Proctor & Gamble web site any longer. But, the
product was so popular, it would've made no sense for them to make the most
basic ultra version into something totally unusable. So seriously...try
using less. It's hard to know if you have hard or soft water, unless you
have something to compare it to. My water company calls ours "medium
hardness", which seems correct compared to other places I've lived, like
Long Island, where it was next to impossible to rinse off soap until you
learned to use much less.

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"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Does anyone use any of these products?
>
> http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/
>
> I have to wash my milk jar once a week in a environmental dishwashing
> soap, whether it be dishwasher or dish pan. Does anyone have any
> suggestions of any that might be in a regular grocery store that you
> have
> used?
> thanks so much.
> Dee Dee

I'm not sure what a milk jar is, or who says you have to wash it any
particular way. But, no matter. Dish liquids - the kind you use for
washing
by hand, are pretty much all phosphate free and biodegradable (two
SEPARATE
issues). Take a look at Dawn "original", if you want a product that's
tough
enough to clean ancient oil crud off a car engine, and has no stupid
perfumes or ingredients to make your hands softer. The label says "no
phosphates, contains biodegradable surfactants".

I don't use liquids in my dishwasher - I use tablets, so I can't advise
you
on that. You'll have to read some labels. But, while it WAS very
important
years ago to cut back on the use of phosphate-laden products in homes,
that's pretty much happened because so many laundry products are free of
the
chemical now. What's left is very minor by comparison.

Save your money. According to every consumer-oriented thing I've read
over
the past 10-15 years, "green" products are often no better than what's in
the stores.

You can also cut way down on the volume of home cleaning products used
by installing a water softener... the savings on cleaning products will
more than pay for the water softener twice over... not to mention time
and effort saved from not having to do so much scrubbing of soap scum
and mineral deposits. I use tablets in my dishwasher too, but I cut
them in half... I use half the laundry soap too.. even shapoo goes more
than twice as far. I don't use bar soap, I prefer soft-soap/bath
gel... bar soap is wasteful. You gals will love showering with
softened water and bath gel... your skin will feel so slippery you
won't be able to stop touching yourself! LOL

Sheldon

Bar soap wasteful? Maybe sorta kinda. If you wanted to be picky when
comparing it to the gel, you could say that the gel comes in a plastic
bottle, which may appear to be recyclable, but in fact, is not. And, this is
for business reasons: Many municipalities are having difficulty finding
buyers for the sheer volume of plastic they collect. So, the stuff just sits
around.

Ridiculous... were that true soft drinks and bottle water would be
banned... you're probably the biggest offender, a fast food addict like
you... and liquid soap bottles are no problem, so few of yoose euros
and hillybillys bathe.

You're buying incorrectly... once you decide on which liquid/gel soaps
you like buy in bulk containers and refil the dispensers. Bar soap is
very wasteful, most ends up going down the drain, unused.... yeah, my
mother taught me all the tricks; open each bar as soon as you can to
let it dry out so it won't melt so fast, and save the slivers to squish
together... what a crock, just a big mess and wastes time for nothing,
still most bar soap just slides down the drain.

Liquid dispensed soaps are sanitary, no embedded pubic hairs, no
messy/gooey soap dishes to contend with and the pump dispensers can be
reused over and over for years and years. And dispensed soaps are far
more economical than bar soap... a very little is all that's needed, a
squirt the size of a dime is plenty to wash hands... a squirt the size
of a quarter on a wash cloth is plenty for a shower. I don't like
those squeeze bottle containers for shower gels either, they promote
using too much product... I recommend squeezing the shower gel into a
plastic pump bottle. All the liquid/gel cleaning products are readily
available in bulk, if not in your local stupidmarket then buy them on
line, greater assortment and much better prices. Anyone with a lot of
kids (more than one) should never use bar soap.

Sheldon

JoeSpareBedroom said:

"Steve Pope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

For a while, Dawn marketed the original product which said
"non-ultra" on the label. I think you are confirming that
this isn't available anymore.

Quoted message said:

Right. I don't see on the Proctor & Gamble web site any longer. But, the
product was so popular, it would've made no sense for them to make the most
basic ultra version into something totally unusable. So seriously...try
using less.

I didn't say "totally unusable". Just that it can take more
time to rinse. Yes, the water is fairly soft around here.

Steve

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

"Steve Pope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For a while, Dawn marketed the original product which said
"non-ultra" on the label. I think you are confirming that
this isn't available anymore.

Quoted message said:

Right. I don't see on the Proctor & Gamble web site any longer. But, the
product was so popular, it would've made no sense for them to make the
most
basic ultra version into something totally unusable. So seriously...try
using less.

I didn't say "totally unusable". Just that it can take more
time to rinse. Yes, the water is fairly soft around here.

Steve

What's your water source? Up in the hills? Or, underground aquifer? The
latter tends to be softer if you're near the ocean.

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Dee Randall said:

Does anyone use any of these products?

http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/

I have to wash my milk jar once a week in a environmental dishwashing soap,
whether it be dishwasher or dish pan. Does anyone have any suggestions of
any that might be in a regular grocery store that you have used?
thanks so much.
Dee Dee

Maybe rec.food.equipment would be a closer match.

--
-Barb
<http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 5/29/2006, What They Did For Love
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

Dee Randall said:

I have to wash my milk jar once a week.

What are milk jars... I can help with milk jugs.

Sheldon

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

Save your money. According to every consumer-oriented thing I've read over
the past 10-15 years, "green" products are often no better than what's in
the stores.

I will agree that there are "green" products which don't perform
significantly better than "regular" products -- just as there are
cheapo "regular" products which don't come near the performance of
the best of their kind.

But there are reasons to buy "green" products beyond their actual
performance (once that performance meets one's own standards) --
like toxicity (maybe not a concern with dish detergent, but for
other products); sustainability; the way the company is run; etc.
That "green" products often seem to cost more than "regular"
products is an accident of accounting.

As for the OP's question, I have not used any of the brands on the
linked Web site. I do, however, use Restore the Earth's dish liquid
(<http://www.restoreproducts.com/dish_detergent.html>😉 and Seventh
Generation's dishwasher powder
(<http://www.seventhgeneration.com/our_products/dishwashing.php>😉
and have been quite happy with them.

From the Web site linked by the OP:

Quoted message said:

If you want to avoid phosphates, choose a phosphate-free detergent,

but remember to rinse your dirty dishes right away.

Huh? I never have to do that with the Seventh Generation powder and
my dishwasher (ASKO). Pre-rinsing removes a chunk of the
environmental benefit to using a "green" detergent, I would think.

sd

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In article <[email hidden]>,

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Save your money. According to every consumer-oriented thing I've read
over
the past 10-15 years, "green" products are often no better than what's in
the stores.

I will agree that there are "green" products which don't perform
significantly better than "regular" products -- just as there are
cheapo "regular" products which don't come near the performance of
the best of their kind.

But there are reasons to buy "green" products beyond their actual
performance (once that performance meets one's own standards) --
like toxicity (maybe not a concern with dish detergent, but for
other products); sustainability; the way the company is run; etc.
That "green" products often seem to cost more than "regular"
products is an accident of accounting.

As for the OP's question, I have not used any of the brands on the
linked Web site. I do, however, use Restore the Earth's dish liquid
(<http://www.restoreproducts.com/dish_detergent.html>😉 and Seventh
Generation's dishwasher powder
(<http://www.seventhgeneration.com/our_products/dishwashing.php>😉
and have been quite happy with them.

From the Web site linked by the OP:

Quoted message said:

If you want to avoid phosphates, choose a phosphate-free detergent,

but remember to rinse your dirty dishes right away.

Huh? I never have to do that with the Seventh Generation powder and
my dishwasher (ASKO). Pre-rinsing removes a chunk of the
environmental benefit to using a "green" detergent, I would think.

sd

For handwashing, I will be using, bought at Wegman's, Dishwashing Liquid -
Ecover Natural
http://www.greenhome.com/products/housekeeping/dish_detergent/102352/

But as the instructions from the farm are that I have to use an
environmental dishwashing soap, and definitely one without fragrance, I
asked her if there was a brand that she would suggest. She said, no, but I
could find them anyplace like our local groceries, indicating I didn't have
to go to stores such as Whole Foods, Wegmans or Trader Joe's to find this
kind of product. But I'm wondering if anyone has seen or used a brand that
is commonly found in an ordinary grocery store. My local stores are Food
Lion and Martins (Giant). (Hand Washing, not dishwasher washing). The jar
is WAY too tall to wash in the dishwasher.
Thanks again,
Dee Dee

Dee, I was just reading the latest issue of Consumer Reports,
a question in the Your Letters section was about greener
choices in dishwashing detergents.

I didn't look to see if this answer would help you, but here is
what it said.

"Greener Choices, a free Web site of Consumer Reports, offers
advice on how to be a more enviornmentally friendly consumer.
You'll find information on detergents that claim to be free of
phosphates or chlorine but perform well in our tests. Go to
www.GreenerChoices.org, click on 'Home & garden,' then on
'Greener cleaning.'"

Hope that helps.

nancy