New Tube map?

Tony Raven said:

Looking for something else I came across a bicycle Tube map on the TfL
site showing where you can take a bike on the Tube. Useful maybe for
planning those journeys if you don't want to cycle on the streets.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tube_map.shtml

Or for deciding which station to hobble to when you or the bike is broken
beyond roadside repair.

Thanks for the link. I'll be carrying a printout... if I decide the 5
grams is worth it :-)

~PB

Tony Raven said:

Looking for something else I came across a bicycle Tube map on the TfL
site showing where you can take a bike on the Tube. Useful maybe for
planning those journeys if you don't want to cycle on the streets.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tube_map.shtml

Thanks for that, it makes a trip I want to make into a far more practical
proposition than self-navigating across half of London.

Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
Museum?

Mike

Tony Raven said:

Looking for something else I came across a bicycle Tube map on the TfL
site showing where you can take a bike on the Tube. Useful maybe for
planning those journeys if you don't want to cycle on the streets.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tube_map.shtml

Am I the only one who thinks that they are being a bit pedantic
calling the section of the Northern Line between Hendon and Colindale
non-surface tube line? I always understood the limiting factor for
bikes was the access to the platforms, with the tube lines being
rather awkward to lug a bike up or down the escalators or in the
lifts. But if you can take a bike from Colindale or Hendon Central why
not between them?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Mike Causer said:

Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
Museum?

About as [censored] as they come.

There are a few bike stands outside Greenwich Park, but locking up
bikes inside the park is against the park regulations.

Mike Causer said:

Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
Museum?

One of the members of Greenwich Cyclists has gone to a lot of work in
surveying the cycle parking in the Greenwich area. Lots of new cycle
parking stands have been put up, following her recommendations.
I can't comment on the Maritime Museum itself, but there are stands near
the DLR station and around the Cutty Sark.
Also bike stands behind the security guards places in the University
campus (Old Naval College).

Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:39:58 +0100, Mike Causer
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
Museum?

Quoted message said:

About as [censored] as they come.

Quoted message said:

There are a few bike stands outside Greenwich Park, but locking up
bikes inside the park is against the park regulations.

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Tony Raven said:

Looking for something else I came across a bicycle Tube map on the TfL
site showing where you can take a bike on the Tube. Useful maybe for
planning those journeys if you don't want to cycle on the streets.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tube_map.shtml

Or to enable carless Londoners to start their ride proper from places like
Upminster and Amerham without epic mileages cycling there and back.

~PB

In message <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook

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Am I the only one who thinks that they are being a bit pedantic
calling the section of the Northern Line between Hendon and Colindale
non-surface tube line? I always understood the limiting factor for
bikes was the access to the platforms,

They would cause an obstruction if passengers needed to leave a train whilst
it was in a tunnel, by walking though the train.

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Phil Cook said:

Tony Raven said:

Looking for something else I came across a bicycle Tube map on the TfL
site showing where you can take a bike on the Tube. Useful maybe for
planning those journeys if you don't want to cycle on the streets.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tube_map.shtml

Or indeed:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/tube-map-bicycles1b.pdf

It is indeed useful. It's not new, though - it's existed for years.

Quoted message said:

Am I the only one who thinks that they are being a bit pedantic calling
the section of the Northern Line between Hendon and Colindale
non-surface tube line? I always understood the limiting factor for bikes
was the access to the platforms, with the tube lines being rather
awkward to lug a bike up or down the escalators or in the lifts. But if
you can take a bike from Colindale or Hendon Central why not between
them?

AIUI, it's not about access at the stations, it's about being able to
evacuate the train in an emergency: the tunnels used on the deep lines,
are narrow enough that you can't get out of the train by the normal doors,
so you have to evacuate along the train and get out one end. The thinking
is, i believe, that bikes would get in the way of this (which they would -
although so would giant suitcases and obese Americans, both of which are
permitted). This is the case even when the tunnel isn't that deep, as
between Hendon and Colindale (AFAIK).

The shallow lines, on the other hand, are built with wider tunnels (since
there's one big tunnel for both tracks, rather than a tunnel for each, as
on the deep lines), which means you can get off sideways, so bikes are
okay.

The same goes for the big railway's lines, which, annoyingly, aren't shown
on the TfL map - as well as anywhere that's above ground, you can take
your bike through the Snow Hill tunnel that carries the Thameslink trains
between King's Cross and Blackfriars, since it's the same style as the
shallow Underground lines, but not on the Great Northern Electrics tunnel
from Drayton Park to Moorgate, since it's a narrow deep-tube-style tunnel.
I have no idea about the rest; no other examples of NR lines in tube-style
tunnels spring to mind (although Crossrail will be one one day).

For bonus points, find somewhere a deep line goes underground where bikes
are allowed: you've just found an old pre-London Underground railway,
built with wide tunnels, that was assimilated by the tube. I'm not sure if
any such tunnels actually exist, though!

tom

--
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or I trail off into maddness at any point!! -- Agent D, 20051129

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:39:58 +0100, Mike Causer
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
Museum?

Quoted message said:

About as [censored] as they come.

Quoted message said:

There are a few bike stands outside Greenwich Park, but locking up
bikes inside the park is against the park regulations.

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got promoted?

Al C-F said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:39:58 +0100, Mike Causer
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
> Museum?

Quoted message said:

About as [censored] as they come.

Quoted message said:

There are a few bike stands outside Greenwich Park, but locking up
bikes inside the park is against the park regulations.

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got promoted?

Thames Polytechnic.

--

JimP

" " - John Cage

Al C-F <[email hidden]>typed

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Quoted message said:

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got promoted?

Woolwich Polytechnic, then Thames Polytechnic. Also Avery Hill College
and other assorted institutes of academe.

The university has now sold its Woolwich site and has mostly decamped to
Chatham.

Trinity College of Music is at Greenwich.

(My Dad started work at Woolwich Poly on 1/5/1968 and only fully retired
from Greenwich quite recently. My partner did his MSc at Thames in 1988
and had his second String Quartet premiered at Greenwich in 2003.)

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Al C-F said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:39:58 +0100, Mike Causer
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

>Does anyone know what bike security is like at the Greenwich Maritime
>Museum?

Quoted message said:

About as [censored] as they come.

Quoted message said:

There are a few bike stands outside Greenwich Park, but locking up
bikes inside the park is against the park regulations.

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got promoted?

Thames Polytechnic. It now is the proud owner of the Old Royal Naval
College. I cycled by just a few hours ago and noted some excellent
(but uncovered) cycle racks, close to the main gate and security. It's
just over the road from the Maritime Museum. There is public access.

http://tinyurl.com/mmye3
from
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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Al C-F <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got promoted?

Woolwich Polytechnic, then Thames Polytechnic. Also Avery Hill College
and other assorted institutes of academe.

Avery Hill got borged while I was at Thames Poly. There's a potted
history of the borgings here:
http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/search2?coll_id=6089&inst_id=61

Quoted message said:

(My Dad started work at Woolwich Poly on 1/5/1968 and only fully retired
from Greenwich quite recently.

What a small world.

--

JimP

" " - John Cage

Jim Price <[email hidden]>typed

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Al C-F <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

> There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...
>
Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got
promoted?

Woolwich Polytechnic, then Thames Polytechnic. Also Avery Hill College
and other assorted institutes of academe.

Quoted message said:

Avery Hill got borged while I was at Thames Poly. There's a potted
history of the borgings here:
http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/search2?coll_id=6089&inst_id=61

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(My Dad started work at Woolwich Poly on 1/5/1968 and only fully retired
from Greenwich quite recently.

Quoted message said:

What a small world.

Even smaller if you consider that my partner did his MSc in Dad's
department but this had nothing to do with how we met...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Al C-F <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There's also a nearby University to attract bike thieves...

Greenwich has a university? Ok, what was it called before it got promoted?

Woolwich Polytechnic, then Thames Polytechnic. Also Avery Hill College
and other assorted institutes of academe.

Thanks. I wondered if the Navy had gone into the academia business.