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  1. I'm a retro old codger who's being dragged kicking and screaming from
    using an old threaded cluster to using a cassette instead. I notice
    that the cassette cogs appear to be simply stamped from sheet steel,
    whereas the old screw-on cogs had to be stamped, formed and threaded.
    I was wondering, does this mean that cassette cogs are available really
    cheap or anything? Any places you'd recommend ordering them from?

    - Fred the Fred

    "I live in a triangular, wedge-shaped house, and I really like it
    because I am the same shape myself. My house fits me really nice."

  2. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm a retro old codger who's being dragged kicking and screaming from
    using an old threaded cluster to using a cassette instead. I notice
    that the cassette cogs appear to be simply stamped from sheet steel,
    whereas the old screw-on cogs had to be stamped, formed and threaded.
    I was wondering, does this mean that cassette cogs are available really
    cheap or anything? Any places you'd recommend ordering them from?

    - Fred the Fred

    "I live in a triangular, wedge-shaped house, and I really like it
    because I am the same shape myself. My house fits me really nice."

    Yes sort of, you can get some cogs individually, It depends on the type and
    brand of the cassette though.
    For example only use Shimano cogs of a certain type together and mix and
    match as desired.
    Harris Cyclery here has a lot of scoop on it.
    http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html

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    I'm a retro old codger who's being dragged kicking and screaming from
    using an old threaded cluster to using a cassette instead. I notice
    that the cassette cogs appear to be simply stamped from sheet steel,
    whereas the old screw-on cogs had to be stamped, formed and threaded.
    I was wondering, does this mean that cassette cogs are available really
    cheap or anything? Any places you'd recommend ordering them from?

    - Fred the Fred

    "I live in a triangular, wedge-shaped house, and I really like it
    because I am the same shape myself. My house fits me really nice."

    Yes sort of, you can get some cogs individually, It depends on the type


    and

    Quoted message said:

    brand of the cassette though.
    For example only use Shimano cogs of a certain type together and mix and
    match as desired.
    Harris Cyclery here has a lot of scoop on it.
    http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html


    Sheldon is an excellent source. The general rule is that the cassettes in
    the *lower* end of the spectrums are usually loose cog. For example, Shimano
    105 and lower are all loose cogs and/or their cogs can be taken apart.
    Similarly, Campy Veloce cassettes are also loose cogs. For Campy compatible,
    take a look at the new line of Miche cassettes. Comes in both Campy and
    Shimano splines prices start at about $40 for 9 spd/$50 for 10 spd.

  4. On 2006-06-08, [email hidden] <[email hidden]> wrote:
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    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering, does this mean that cassette cogs are available really
    cheap or anything? Any places you'd recommend ordering them from?

    You did not tell what country you live in (I have one guess
    based on the fact that you've not mentioned it). Just in case you
    are in Europe, www.roseversand.de sells individual sprockets
    for most Shimano and Campagnolo cassettes; prices are reasonable.

    - Konstantin Shemyak

  5. Quoted message said:

    I'm a retro old codger who's being dragged kicking and screaming from
    using an old threaded cluster to using a cassette instead. I notice
    that the cassette cogs appear to be simply stamped from sheet steel,
    whereas the old screw-on cogs had to be stamped, formed and threaded.
    I was wondering, does this mean that cassette cogs are available really
    cheap or anything? Any places you'd recommend ordering them from?

    Its not really cost effective to order individual cogs. Cogsets are
    designed to match up with the other cogs next to it in a cassette.
    While it is physiclaly possible to take a 17 cog from a 13-23 and put
    it into a 13-28 cassette, its ramps and grooves may not be in the
    optimal place. So you may notice a lack of shifting precision when
    going from and to a cog that is from a different cassette. The best
    place to use individual cogs is on the very last spot where you make a
    large tooth jump from the next to last cog to get a very low bailout
    gear. Make a 13-23 into a 13-26 by replacing the 23 on the 13-23 with
    a 26 cog. 21-26 jump at the end is nicer than 21-23.

    As mentioned, Shimano cheaper cassettes in both road and mountain bike
    names are loose cogs and spacers. 105, Tiagra, Sora, HG70, HG50, etc.
    Ultegra and up are riveted together on an aluminum carrier and the
    bigger cogs are not individual. Smaller cogs are individual and can be
    mixed around. For the lower end cassettes its always easier to find
    whole new cassettes for $15-30. Much cheaper than paying $10-20 for
    one cog. With Shimano 7, 8, 9 speed cogs are all about the same width
    so can probably be intermixed without too much concern. Easiest to
    just get all cassettes of the right number, 7, 8 or 9, depending on
    what you are running. They all can be found equally cheap.

    With Campagnolo Mirage and Veloce are all loose cogs. Centaur has the
    first 7-8 or so cogs loose. Chorus and Record have the first 4-5 or so
    cogs loose. On Centaur, Chorus, Record the larger cogs are riveted
    together on carriers and cannot be replaced individually. For
    Campagnolo 9 and 10 speed loose cogs are the same width and can be
    intermixed. Just use the spacers from the right 9 or 10 speed
    cassette. And the first cog is unique to both 9 and 10 speed because
    the spacer is built into the cog. And the last cog on 10 speed is
    unique because it is offset towards the spokes. The middle 8 on 10
    speed can be intermixed with the last 8 on 9 speed. Shifting may
    suffer where jumping between cogs with ramps that do not line up. In
    Europe Mirage and Veloce cassettes are pretty cheap. In the US
    Campagnolo cassettes are not cheap.

  6. russelseat explains it good. buying 6-7-8 for an 8/9 freehub then
    adding cogs to bring the total to 8 is cost effective - few want the
    6-7 especially in mtb/atb black -check the mail order cats; like
    sometimes $20 effective per cassette! sometimes $40+!!!!
    the atb/mtb require spacers for adding cogs to fill in the extra space
    on the cassette drum even using a deore mtb/atb freehub - abit of
    fiddling.
    mostly - cept for the rolloff boys - we all ride in the center cogs
    leaving the outsides as new and transplantable into a new cassette.
    'loosescrews' has cogs/cr replacements/8 speed chains

  7. [email hidden] wrote:

    A few comments on this well written post.

    Quoted message said:

    Cogsets are designed to match up with the other cogs next to it in a cassette.
    While it is physiclaly possible to take a 17 cog from a 13-23 and put
    it into a 13-28 cassette, its ramps and grooves may not be in the
    optimal place. So you may notice a lack of shifting precision when
    going from and to a cog that is from a different cassette.

    While this is technically true, my experience has been that it doesn't
    make any noticeable difference. I build up cassettes from loose cogs
    all the time (I have a lot of bikes and a lot of parts).

    Quoted message said:

    For the lower end cassettes its always easier to find whole new cassettes
    for $15-30. Much cheaper than paying $10-20 for one cog.

    Well put.

    Quoted message said:

    With Shimano 7, 8, 9 speed cogs are all about the same width
    so can probably be intermixed without too much concern.

    Just to clarify, the cogs can generally be mixed but the spacers
    cannot. In particular, 9 sp spacers won't work in 7 or 8 sp cassettes.
    7 & 8 sp are very close. I've never had a problem mixing those but
    I've heard of others who have.

    Just my experience,
    Tom

  8. Quoted message said:

    mostly we all ride in the center cogs
    leaving the outsides as new and transplantable into a new cassette.

    I've used the QBP made 28 tooth cog for many Campagnolo 13-26
    cassettes. Made them into a 13-28. I plan to use my cheap Mirage
    13-23 9 speed cassettes in my more expensive 12-23 10 speed cassette.
    Reuse the 12-13 and 23 from the 10 speed cassette, all of the 10 speed
    spacers, and the 14-15-16-17-18-19-21 from the 9 speed cassette. The
    interrupted shifting ramps between the 13 and 14 and 21 and 23 should
    not be too much of a concern since I'm not on the small cogs or biggest
    cogs much.

  9. Quoted message said:

    I'm a retro old codger who's being dragged kicking and screaming from
    using an old threaded cluster to using a cassette instead. I notice
    that the cassette cogs appear to be simply stamped from sheet steel,
    whereas the old screw-on cogs had to be stamped, formed and threaded.
    I was wondering, does this mean that cassette cogs are available really
    cheap or anything? Any places you'd recommend ordering them from?

    Define "cheap". Some loose sprockets are available, but there are
    gotchas involved. First, the fancy ramping features are usual;ly
    going to be defeated by swapping loose sprockets in and out of a
    cassette. Since der systems worked acceptably for a long time before
    those improvements came along, this isn't a major drawback, but it's
    something to remember. Second, thicknesses can vary from cluster to
    cluster. If there's just one sprocket involved, and the difference is
    small, it may not cause enough shifting wierdness to notice...but if
    you're trying to build a custom cassette from bits cobbled from all
    over, it may end up working strangely or not well. Third, I have yet
    to see anyone selling loose sprockets for an amount approximately
    proportionate to the fractional cost of the custer that the sprocket
    was taken from, which is hardly surprising.

    --
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  10. Quoted message said:

    For the lower end cassettes its always easier to find
    whole new cassettes for $15-30. Much cheaper than paying $10-20 for
    one cog.

    I don't know of a source for a 9-sp. cassettes under $20. And I buy
    individual cogs for about $3-4 a piece. Bying one cog for half
    price of the cassette is certainly a nonsence.

    - Konstantin Shemyak

  11. Konstantin Shemyak said:
    Quoted message said:

    For the lower end cassettes its always easier to find
    whole new cassettes for $15-30. Much cheaper than paying $10-20 for
    one cog.

    I don't know of a source for a 9-sp. cassettes under $20. And I buy
    individual cogs for about $3-4 a piece. Bying one cog for half
    price of the cassette is certainly a nonsence.

    - Konstantin Shemyak

    $19.95 before ubiquitous 10% off coupon. Wait for the somewhat
    frequent 20% off coupon.
    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=87&subcategory=1109&brand=&sku=13458&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

    $29.95 before ubiquitous 10% off coupon. Wait for the somewhat
    frequent 20% off coupon.
    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=87&subcategory=1109&brand=&sku=2936&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

    Harris Cyclery lists individual Shimano cogs for $9.95 each.
    http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html#sprockets

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